I choose ethics and adhering to the license terms set out by the authors of software.
If this thread does not make sense: dragon2snow/zxbdragon is a GPL violator. He has been called out various times on various forums by various people. He was asked for source code on a Chinese forum and is now bitching that he isn't free to violate the GPL. Now he has posted this topic needlessly to create drama. The thread should probably be closed.
tehcloud wrote:
I choose ethics and adhering to the license terms set out by the authors of software.
If this thread does not make sense: dragon2snow/zxbdragon is a GPL violator. He has been called out various times on various forums by various people. He was asked for source code on a Chinese forum and is now bitching that he isn't free to violate the GPL. Now he has posted this topic needlessly to create drama. The thread should probably be closed.
I give up, you have a problem ? Violator?
Please respect my choice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPLhttp://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPLRead this if you don't understand why people keep requesting source code from you.
tehcloud wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPL
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPLRead this if you don't understand why people keep requesting source code from you.
I stop bin ,delete src!
There are problems ?
GPL is Rogue agreement?
tehcloud wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPL
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPLThese pages suck, so here's a summary:
If you have some source code, and the source code uses the GPL as its license, then you can only share your modified version of the program if you also share the source code too.
I normally hate the GPL, but emulators are a good use for it, because emulators are heavily research-based, and everyone benefits from being able to see updates that improve accuracy.
Edit: Basically, this isn't a big deal, it's just a bunch of people shouting. All you need to do is share your source code when you share your program. This is an nes emulator we're talking about, there's not much to gain from keeping the source code secret.
Drag wrote:
tehcloud wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPL
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GPLThese pages suck, so here's a summary:
If you have some source code, and the source code uses the GPL as its license, then you can only share your modified version of the program if you also share the source code too.
I normally hate the GPL, but emulators are a good use for it, because emulators are heavily research-based, and everyone benefits from being able to see updates that improve accuracy.
Edit: Basically, this isn't a big deal, it's just a bunch of people shouting. All you need to do is share your source code when you share your program. This is an nes emulator we're talking about, there's not much to gain from keeping the source code secret.
The GPL is not everyone's first choice of software license, and probably not one I would choose for any project I start. However, that's what a lot of software authors chose, and we have to respect their wishes. It's just the honourable thing to do.
zbxdragon, nobody is attacking you. I have seen some of the posts that set you off, and they're just people politely asking to see source code. There's no reason not to release it... if you are embarrassed of your code, put the ego aside. Nobody actually cares to judge you based on your code. If it's the desire to have "the best fork", put it aside... nobody really cares. What does matter though, is that you respect the wishes of the original author. There is no reason to become angry when someone asks to see the source code that accompanies your binary releases.
Could someone with a nesbbs account, please mirror the latest Nestopia Plus! 1.4.0.20 R334?
http://www.nesbbs.com/bbs/thread-41006-1-1.htmlWhy, because of this, MAPPER190 support:
maseter wrote:
Could someone with a nesbbs account, please mirror the latest Nestopia Plus! 1.4.0.20 R334?
http://www.nesbbs.com/bbs/thread-41006-1-1.htmlWhy, because of this, MAPPER190 support:
Plus! is Death!
waiting Nestopia UE,Thank you!
https://github.com/rdanbrook/nestopia/issues/218http://www.nesbbs.com/bbs/thread-41006-1-1.html is Nesbbs Team private to test new Dumped nes rom.
maseter wrote:
Could someone with a nesbbs account, please mirror the latest Nestopia Plus! 1.4.0.20 R334?
Why, because of this, MAPPER190 support:
For your info, a number of emus already have mapper 190 support:
-Mesen
-FCEUX
-Mednafen
And possibly others, but those are the ones I am aware of at the moment.
It was easy to add the mapper 190 support.
any emu working.
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Nestopia Plus Dead!!!
Was just me that had given a smile when I remembered that 190 is the Police number her in Brazil?
About the death wish, I think death is a little bit too definitive...
Unless proven the contrary, I have not seem anyone that is dead do any of the things that he/she liked to do before death.
There are some people that claim the contrary, thought I find it a little difficult to believe.
Anybody, or should I say everybody is free to disagree or question the GPL or whatever it likes to question, but please, don't choose death since you probably won't have the possibility to question anything if you're dead.
Of course, after death you may inspire some people or a group of people to follow you for the ideas that lead you to die.
But even them, your ideas may be distorted and messed around by other people, who may reach essentially the opposite goal you were seeking while alive.
So please, no death and lots of health to everybody here!!
I think
Liberty or Death came out too late to be one of Koei's SOROM/ETROM historical sims. But it is on Super NES and Genesis.
Licensed by Sega and rated MA-13 by V.R.C.
I thought I had heard "Liberty or death" on a Metallica's song...
I just can't remember right now the song name. Edit: I remembered the Metallica's music, it's
Don't Thead on Me.
Or was it another band's name or album??
(Not sure about that, maybe it is/was a local band...)
I really missed this game...
Never had heard about it.
How good is it??
Edit:About the death wish... well, everybody is free to choose whatever he/she thinks is better.
But I think it's just unfair to throw on the thrash something that milions of people are fighting for: your own individual life.
I still had not played the game yet...
Fisher wrote:
I thought I had heard "Liberty or death" on a Metallica's song...
I just can't remember right now the song name. Edit: I remembered the Metallica's music, it's
Don't Thead on Me.
Or was it another band's name or album??
(Not sure about that, maybe it is/was a local band...)
I really missed this game...
Never had heard about it.
How good is it??
Edit:About the death wish... well, everybody is free to choose whatever he/she thinks is better.
But I think it's just unfair to throw on the thrash something that milions of people are fighting for: your own individual life.
I still had not played the game yet...
.......
For those who honestly don't know this, "Give me liberty, or give me death!" is a 1775 quote from American revolutionary Patrick Henry.
Nice to know I wasn't reading a suicide note.
It's just an expression for making drama!!
You're ingenuously drifting away from the subject. Let's get back.
He thinks to have solved the problem with Nestopia source policy infringement by just forgetting his old project and starting a new one. That's why the pun with "liberty or death".
What penalties this kind of infrigiment can bring?
The penalty of shame.
There are legal liabilities but I'd be surprised if anyone wanted to take it to court.
The punishment is basically "The hall of Shame".
If the program's copyright was
registered with the U.S. Copyright Office, statutory damages under U.S. law could be $750 to $30,000.
tepples wrote:
statutory damages under U.S. law could be $750 to $30,000.
Better be safe than sorry.
Just a simple act can avoid so many problems...
I just can't understand why many people have trouble sharing code...
I don't program much (or should I say at all) right now, but when I did I used to shared my code (mostly on a zip file).
Not that I had made some cool stuff, but at the time I saw no problem in doing so...
Fisher wrote:
I just can't understand why many people have trouble sharing code...
I don't program much (or should I say at all) right now, but when I did I used to shared my code (mostly on a zip file).
Not that I had made some cool stuff, but at the time I saw no problem in doing so...
He did changes to the project, like adding more mappers, but never open-source
! Something like... "
Only I have the brains to rule Lylat".
This remembers me the old
SNES9x vs ZSNES fight.
In the end, both teams opened the source and collaborated with each other.
So, many people just don't share code just so they can fill and grow their own giant ego.
I wouldn't expect this, specially from an emulator author!
Mostly because on many cases their work comes on top of other people's work, be it for information on the inner workings of the machine or the compilers/libraries used.
I just fell sad for all this!!
But he's not the only emu author out there. In fact there are other emulators thar are light years better them his, and the source is out there, to anyone who wishes to take look and learn a thing or two, just like me.
He's not an emulator author, but someone that wrote new mappers to the Nestopia.
Zepper wrote:
He's not an emulator author, but someone that wrote new mappers to the Nestopia.
yes.No one in the world is the author of the emulator.Everyone is added on the basis of binary code
是的,世界上没有任何人是任何模拟器的作者,因为任何人都是在二进制代码基础上添加。
zxbdragon wrote:
Zepper wrote:
He's not an emulator author, but someone that wrote new mappers to the Nestopia.
yes.No one in the world is the author of the emulator.Everyone is added on the basis of binary code
Mapper227 event I recognized you, can't even the most basic things, still dare to say oneself is the author of the emulator。
mapper 227事件,让我认识到你,你连最基础的东西都不会,还敢说自己是模拟器的开发者.
你说话的语气感觉就像个不懂事的孩子,有在这里讨论这个的时间,你应该好好看看你自己所开发的模拟器,
50%的goodnes的ROM,在你的模拟器运行都有问题。一个不会写mapper的模拟器作者,很搞笑吗?
在你发出你在这个帖子里的话时,我想问你,你的模拟器,使用开源的mapper信息,是否要开源代码?
我以前我也说过,我只是一个dumper,我把我自己童年喜欢的东西更新到一个不用浪费我太多时间的nestopia中,以在我年龄再老些,可以回忆一下。
我英文不好,所以我这次就不打英文,直接使用中文说。
各大模拟器都说自己的精确,但你们试过上千台的FC主机吗?
包括原版FC,原版NES,dendy,和中国各种盗版主机?
我有所有的FC卡正版,NES正版卡带,和50000张以上的合卡,你们精确模拟的东西,与实体机上不同,也叫精确?
Plus!已死,你可以补刀,因为我所知道老外,除了嘴皮子强大,其它一无事处。以GUN/GPL要代码,可以,但我认为GUN/GPL前提也是要尊重奉献者。
我公开代码,说我代码有问题,我不公开,说是亵渎者,那么,我只好选择停止Plus!,自己更新自己用,作个亵渎者。
我想反问一下,在这里有多少人真正的自己写模拟器,不参考别人的代码,有多少人是自己从硬件分析mapper?
有多少人去每个ROM的测试并与真实硬件进行对比的。
今天我百忙中来看看这里,让我看到了不想看到的语气。我不吐不快。
当然cah4e3是我佩服的DUMPER!
人这种动物,要为自己所作的事负责。
你更新模拟器,那么,你改了一行代码,如MMC3,那么你要测试的就是所有MMC3和MMC3派生的ROM。
而事实证明,前人很多的信息是错的,有些PCB说不支持四屏显示,其实他的ROM是支持,那么,你们还站在原地,我已省下重写NES模拟器的时间,把相关的游戏模拟完善。
Ok, I'll try a little Google-translator-fu.
Hope this helps you o understand better what I'm saying, but I think the effect will be just the opposite.
不幸的是,我擔心的模擬器不能重新創建模擬機的所有變化,以及在NES和mapers(至少不能沒有廢話的CPU使用率)。
我原先以為這一切是遺書,所以我很擔心。
這是好事,知道你是好,我理解了主題開始在錯誤的道路。
你的意識是你的指導!
做你認為是對的,但不要忘了,在這種或那種方式,可能會有後果。大多數好的,但有些可能是災難性的。
Edit: Posting the english version:
Unfortunatelly, I don't think an emulator can recreate all the nuances of the simulated machine, as well as the NES mappers (well, not without a monstruous CPU usage).
I thought the first post was a suicide note, so I was worried.
It's a nice to know that you're fine and I just misunderstood the initial thread. :Oops:
Let your counciousness be your guide!
Do whatever you think is right, but don't forget that goiong either way have consequences.
Mostly are good, but some may be catastrophic.
-EDIT- Meh! I just said he must respect the GPL guidelines, and thinking against it is foolish. About the emulator author, well... we do the same procedures/algorithms, but never exactly the same code. I am an emulator author; he isn't.
Trying to stay away from dramas and walls of text as far as possible myself, I couldn't judge who's really wrong here so I won't take a side, but sometimes (most of the time actually) the machine translations are just GOLD, like...
Zepper wrote:
液化石油氣
I'm sorry about for LMAO by this. I think the original misspelled GPL as LPG.
Personally, to avoid further misunderstanding, I think the posters should include both the original text and the translated ones, so that people could still refer to the original in case confusions arise.
Seeing this is an English forum(except those few 'local' sections), if one wants to post something other than English, it is best (required by rules probably; correct me if I am wrong) to always include an English version (whether it's the original or the one to be translated into) anyway.
Also, yes. I'm a native Chinese speaker.
Yes, please post the English versions of the messages, otherwise the rest of us are stuck with re-translating already translated text, which gives disastrous results. Another thing to keep in mind when using machine translation is to keep sentences as short and simple as possible, kinda like if you were talking to a child. It may not sound very natural, but it greatly reduces the amount of errors, increasing the chances of the other end making sense of what you're saying.
Please don't post machine translations only. If you want to use them, post the original and the machine translated version, and indicate that it's machine translated.
Dwedit wrote:
Please don't post machine translations only. If you want to use them, post the original and the machine translated version, and indicate that it's machine translated.
Personally, I don't want none of them.
You know, this isn't just Nestopia Plus that violated the GPL. VirtuaNES Plus!, VirtuaNESEx and even as a corporate example, EmuVT
(NesterJ), were also were released without source code.
Speaking of VirtuaNESEx....
Damn you, Mapper 168!!!!
As I stated before, I was VERY worried because I thought I was reading a suicide note.
My english is not the best, but I'm trying to get better...
Anyway, let him do whatever he likes. He's free!! (Well, I suppose the initial poster is male, but I may be wrong)
I'm not here to condemn or point the finger to anyone, but anything you do will have consequences, be it good or bad. That's the price of freedom.
Plus! is Death!
Plus the original code has publicly in 2016, after deleting the final code
Download to you, you are lucky, you don't have to download to, that is your bad luck
GitHub, I tried to submit, but making no receive!
mapper 190,I'm just trying to nestopia, working fine,after can delete code .
zapper,Even when you are talking about when the eldest brother, let me feel very strange, other people to help you, you don't say thanks, instead of attack
Your problem is the language barrier.
Well, big names had problems with GPL.
Microsoft had, and called GPL a virus.
Fortunatelly, a virus is very scary, specially to Windows users...
Other than that, I can tell from the top of my head DLink and even recently Hyperkin, with it's Retron 5.
If it's the wish of the creator to delete the code, well... it's his free will.
How an old
brazilian poet once said: "Então vá! Faz o que tu queres. Pois é tudo. Da Lei! Da Lei!", automatic translated to "So go! Do what you want. That's all. Of law! Of law!"
Sigh.... The GNU GPL is not a virus! For any version of the GPL, it only affects your program if you choose to include code parts licensed under the GPL, any headers licensed under the GPL, or any linked libraries licensed under the GPL!
Do not believe in Microsoft's big fat lie.
It sure isn't a virus.
But a virus very scary to Windows users.
I think this was back in 2000's when Linux and free software were definitelly gaining ground.
I... strongly.... recommend... to... LOCK THIS TOPIC.
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