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Just found a Joust Prototype? Can someone confirm? I am new to prototypes, and I guess this would be my first one.

Nov 25, 2011 at 6:42:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Xerxes

Has anyone with more experience ever seen one like that?

It's not common, but I've seen protos with switches before:





Hands down one of my favorite protos in my collection.

Finally dumped the Joust, just waiting for an email address and a return address so I can send these along to the owner. 

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Nov 25, 2011 at 7:06:44 PM
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Thanks Mark! I only have my iPad with me, so I can't reply to pm's on nintendoage.com but I can post in threads. My email is [email protected] email me and I will send you my address. It should be the same on the box I sent the cart in. have you had time to see if anything was different?

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Nov 25, 2011 at 7:17:29 PM
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Rom sent! As for comparing, it may not be so simple. Like I said, the ROM floating around appears to be a bad dump, so I'd be shocked if this one didn't end up being different than that one.

As for its legitimacy as a proto, I doubt that we'll be able to conclusively argue one way or another. Having it in hand, I'd pay proto money for it for sure. The stickers are ancient and I've certainly seen stranger carts. Again, can't prove it, but it looks legit enough to satisfy me.

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Nov 25, 2011 at 7:34:51 PM
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Cool. Stinks that we can't prove one way or another. Is it good enough to consider me a proto owner?

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Nov 25, 2011 at 7:35:00 PM
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Did you compare the ROMs to the released version with a correct dump of your legit copy and see if there were any differences at all? And what does the switch on your other proto do? Does it switch between Tetris and SMB?


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Nov 25, 2011 at 7:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by: 3GenGames

Did you compare the ROMs to the released version with a correct dump of your legit copy and see if there were any differences at all?


I didn't dump my retail copy of Joust, though I could.

Originally posted by: 3GenGames

And what does the switch on your other proto do? Does it switch between Tetris and SMB?

If that were all it did, do you think it would be one of my all time favorites?

Sure, it switches between SMB and Tetris...
But it's the licensed version of Tengen Tetris.  Unreleased protos with a switch certain = legit


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Nov 25, 2011 at 8:06:22 PM
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Mmmm, okay. And let me guess, the unlicensed version doesn't have the title screen or even more? Pretty sweet to have a combination. Was it a version Nintendo was really considering or was it made by tengen to convince Nintendo to let then do a combo cart or something?

Nov 25, 2011 at 8:46:48 PM
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Originally posted by: 3GenGames

Mmmm, okay. And let me guess, the unlicensed version doesn't have the title screen or even more? Pretty sweet to have a combination. Was it a version Nintendo was really considering or was it made by tengen to convince Nintendo to let then do a combo cart or something?


Dream has a version, and I have a version as well.  Both are significantly different than what Tengen and Nintendo had planned.  If anything, it's closer to what the VS system version was, but it still has many differences to even that one.  The exact origins are debatable, wish I had more concrete info.

Here are some pics to show just how different it is to the Tengen version.  The first picture in each set is the retail version, the second is the proto:


















I would probably put it as the cornerstone of my entire collection, and considering the amount of protos I have, I'd say that's a weighty statement

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Awesome stuff, I wonder why they made the others. Sweet stuff.

Nov 25, 2011 at 9:21:49 PM
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I licked that SMB/Tetris proto when you weren't looking.

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Nov 25, 2011 at 9:23:58 PM
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Originally posted by: Limbofunk

I licked that SMB/Tetris proto when you weren't looking.




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Nov 26, 2011 at 10:24:10 AM
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Nov 26, 2011 at 6:53:20 PM
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Is that proto version of Tetris publicly released. The Tengen version was always my favourite version of Tetris. It always seemed to be on the pirated multicarts.

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Nov 26, 2011 at 7:26:59 PM
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Originally posted by: marvelus10

Is that proto version of Tetris publicly released. The Tengen version was always my favourite version of Tetris. It always seemed to be on the pirated multicarts.

It's one of the very few I don't plan on releasing publicly.  This one will have to be purchased to be played.  Shitty, I know, but just this one stays with us.

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Nov 27, 2011 at 11:13:00 AM
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Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: marvelus10

Is that proto version of Tetris publicly released. The Tengen version was always my favourite version of Tetris. It always seemed to be on the pirated multicarts.

It's one of the very few I don't plan on releasing publicly.  This one will have to be purchased to be played.  Shitty, I know, but just this one stays with us.


I think I said this before, but that is one of the few protos you have that I would like to play.  Ever think of making repros of it?  I would purchase one.

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Dec 2, 2011 at 10:13:51 PM
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Sorry to bump the thread, but I am wondering if you guys had any chance to see if differences were found on this version. Thanks!

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Dec 3, 2011 at 12:31:16 PM
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Originally posted by: 3GenGames

Games back then were not developed like they are today where they do that and they can't screw up, they worked on it in house, probably had some people working on the idea, one the mechanics, one the actual game engine, one on sound. What you got is what you got. They didn't give out ROM's to people to go test and make sure they worked, they tested as they went and made sure it was right first time. The best you got from there was prototype carts made for people or that were abandoned. I mean think about it, you don't have a group of people working on 3 games at once back then. 3 group of ROM's for a tester? Yeah right. I think you can't see it that this is such a shot in the dark of what you just said and wouldn't be common at all back then if it ever even happened a single time. And besides, 3 games that all use the same mapper too? Yeah, sureeee.

So what's the results of the dump and compare of the binaries?
Sorry man, you're 100% wrong on this. Companies that sent stuff to magazines sometimes only had one "flash" cart as you put it lying around and sent new EPROMS for different games sometimes....(obviously they would need the same mapper but this did happen sometimes) heck, there was a pile of chips in a drawer at VG&CE from this whole type of thing. More prevalent with SNES stuff but it happened with NES stuff and this isn't even "development" we are talking about, it's about sending stuff to a publication.

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Dec 3, 2011 at 12:56:38 PM
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I'm no expert on protos by any stretch.... but I am an expert on homemade stuff, which is what I believe this to be. Still neat to find stuff like this though, regardless.

Dec 3, 2011 at 12:59:05 PM
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Originally posted by: tracker465


I think I said this before, but that is one of the few protos you have that I would like to play.  Ever think of making repros of it?  I would purchase one.


Funny you should ask...

Matt and I at one point went as far as:

-  Burning 100 sets of EPROMs for this
-  Making label and box art
-  Producing 30 or so copies

This was right around the time that Ecstasy of Order was being produced.  When we heard how Bunnyboy was treated when he tried to make a competition cart for the movie by the people who owned the rights to Tetris, we scrapped the whole thing and any future plans on releasing it on a cart.  This is very, very active license and is one of the few situations that I could see us actually going to court over this sort of thing.

I sent the ROM over to Divingninja and the game is on the way back to him now, hopefully he can take a peak at the ROMs and see what he comes up with.

Dream:  Thanks for the info!  I had a hunch this was the case just based on the sheer number of proto EPROMs I've had come my way, but it's nice to have confirmation.

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So it is legit? I seriously have no clue.

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Originally posted by: GameBoyScotty

So it is legit? I seriously have no clue.


If you ask me, all we can do is confirm it legit, or make an assumption that it is not.  If the game has data that varies from the retail version (and does not appear to be caused by a bad dump or bit rot), I could only assume it is legit.  If it has retail data, it may or may not be a proto as many protos exist with retail code on them.

Based on having it in my hands and the apparent age of the stickers on the EPROMs, I would be shocked to find out that this wasn't a proto.  No conclusive evidence, but if I bought it after it were advertised as a proto, I'd be very happy about it.

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Dec 4, 2011 at 8:29:25 AM
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I have a pirate that has joust on it, it has no problem at the main screen as described in a earlier post. if i could dump it, i could send in this version of it.

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Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: tracker465


I think I said this before, but that is one of the few protos you have that I would like to play.  Ever think of making repros of it?  I would purchase one.


Funny you should ask...

Matt and I at one point went as far as:

-  Burning 100 sets of EPROMs for this
-  Making label and box art
-  Producing 30 or so copies

This was right around the time that Ecstasy of Order was being produced.  When we heard how Bunnyboy was treated when he tried to make a competition cart for the movie by the people who owned the rights to Tetris, we scrapped the whole thing and any future plans on releasing it on a cart.  This is very, very active license and is one of the few situations that I could see us actually going to court over this sort of thing.


Yikes!!!  That is too bad, but I can definitely see why you guys wouldn't want to take any chances with it!


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