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Video game series where the sequel is best Has anyone else noticed this trend?

Sep 18, 2014 at 3:49:01 PM
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I've been thinking..it's a stereotype that a sequel to a film is never as good as the original. This is pretty much true in most cases, from what I've seen.

The exact opposite trend seems to happen in video games though - the sequel is the very best of the series, with the third being about as good as the first, maybe a little better or worse. Here are some series off the top of my head where this true:

Mega Man X series on SNES (Mega Man X2 being often considered the best)
Donkey Kong Country on SNES (DKC 2 is almost universally considered the best)
Streets of Rage on Genesis (SOR 2 is considered best by most)

I can think of a couple of more, and a few counter-examples too. But do others think this a trend as well? Other series to suggest?

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Sep 18, 2014 at 3:57:18 PM
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TMNT on NES

Sep 18, 2014 at 4:02:53 PM
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See I liked DK3 way more than the other two. I never really understood why people liked the second one the most. Any ideas?

Sep 18, 2014 at 4:05:18 PM
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-- Disclaimer: All of the following are my opinion --

Mega Man 2 > Mega Man

Ninja Gaiden 2 > Ninja Gaiden. This is mostly due to 1) Being nostalgic and 2) Difficulty seems toned down somewhat.

Final Fight 2 > Final Fight

Super Turrican 2 > Super Turrican

Conversely ...

Super Mario World > Yoshi's Island

Castlevania > Simon's Quest

Legend of Zelda > Adventure of Link

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:05:55 PM
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People think MMX2 was the best? I mean I love the game but I always though MMX was the most popular.

But how about Sonic? Sonic 2 > Sonic 1
Mega Man 2 > Mega Man 1
Assassins Creed 2 > Assassins Creed 1
Mario Kart 64 > Super Mario Kart
Smash Bros Melee > Smash Bros 64
Super Mario Bros 3 > Super Mario Bros 1 & 2
Silent Hill 2 > Silent Hill 1

There are countless examples of sequels besting the originals. I have a theory of why originals tend to beat sequels in movies, but the reverse is often true in video games:

There is no gameplay in watching movies. The whole thing is based on story. Oftentimes the original movie of a series is what defines the series and everyone bases every subsequent title in the same series in comparison to the original, and people often find that the original is best because that's the first one they watched or that movie is what defines the series to them. Likewise, music artists with a killer first album are often plagued with fans complaining that none of their other albums measure up to the first album just because they set the bar so high and every single album afterwards is judged solely on that first great album.

As for video game sequels, they more or less tend to take what the games before them did and improve on it. Since there is so much more to base a video game on than you can a movie, since it is interactive, good developers tend to see what gamers liked and didn't like in the first game and improve on weak areas of the first and keep good areas in the sequel. For example, Smash Bros Melee did everything Smash Bros 64 did, but better. There's almost no contest there. It's a bigger, better, more refined gameplay experience. Or take Donkey Kong Country 2 vs the original. DKC2 had better level designs, more varied levels, better gameplay, more memorable music, and while DKC1 was fantastic, they kept the best elements of the original while refining some of the weaker parts of the game and adding a few new things in like the piggyback move. As we know, this isn't always the case. Usually sequels tend to have better gameplay than the games before them but games based on story, atmosphere, or overall creativity might work best for the originals. Take for example Metroid Prime, a game that is very near and dear to my heart. An absolute masterpiece. Metroid Prime 2, while good, doesn't match up to the original despite having almost identical gameplay and atmosphere. Why is this? To me, the game design doesn;t feel fresh because it's not the original, whereas MP1 defined that series, much like a movie would, and I also enjoyed the story more in MP1.

Sep 18, 2014 at 4:07:02 PM
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Star Fox 2 > Star Fox

Star Fox 64 > Star Fox 1&2

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:07:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Kach

TMNT on NES





Perfect example.

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:10:47 PM
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Originally posted by: winterfish

Mario Kart 64 > Super Mario Kart
Oh man, that's a ban-worthy offense right there.  Sick 'em Dain!



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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:11:18 PM
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Originally posted by: winterfish

People think MMX2 was the best? I mean I love the game but I always though MMX was the most popular.

But how about Sonic? Sonic 2 > Sonic 1
Mega Man 2 > Mega Man 1
Assassins Creed 2 > Assassins Creed 1
Mario Kart 64 > Super Mario Kart
Smash Bros Melee > Smash Bros 64
Super Mario Bros 3 > Super Mario Bros 1 & 2
Silent Hill 2 > Silent Hill 1

There are countless examples of sequels besting the originals. I have a theory of why originals tend to beat sequels in movies, but the reverse is often true in video games:

There is no gameplay in watching movies. The whole thing is based on story. Oftentimes the original movie of a series is what defines the series and everyone bases every subsequent title in the same series in comparison to the original, and people often find that the original is best because that's the first one they watched or that movie is what defines the series to them. Likewise, music artists with a killer first album are often plagued with fans complaining that none of their other albums measure up to the first album just because they set the bar so high and every single album afterwards is judged solely on that first great album.

As for video game sequels, they more or less tend to take what the games before them did and improve on it. Since there is so much more to base a video game on than you can a movie, since it is interactive, good developers tend to see what gamers liked and didn't like in the first game and improve on weak areas of the first and keep good areas in the sequel. For example, Smash Bros Melee did everything Smash Bros 64 did, but better. There's almost no contest there. It's a bigger, better, more refined gameplay experience. Or take Donkey Kong Country 2 vs the original. DKC2 had better level designs, more varied levels, better gameplay, more memorable music, and while DKC1 was fantastic, they kept the best elements of the original while refining some of the weaker parts of the game and adding a few new things in like the piggyback move. As we know, this isn't always the case. Usually sequels tend to have better gameplay than the games before them but games based on story, atmosphere, or overall creativity might work best for the originals. Take for example Metroid Prime, a game that is very near and dear to my heart. An absolute masterpiece. Metroid Prime 2, while good, doesn't match up to the original despite having almost identical gameplay and atmosphere. Why is this? To me, the game design doesn;t feel fresh because it's not the original, whereas MP1 defined that series, much like a movie would, and I also enjoyed the story more in MP1.

Silent Hill 2 > Silent Hill 1

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:19:37 PM
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Originally posted by: CompleteSNES

See I liked DK3 way more than the other two. I never really understood why people liked the second one the most. Any ideas?


Yes actually. I've even written about it lol. DKC2 just took the first game and improved on everything that was lacking. East bosses got harder, linear levels got a little more complex, scenery changed much more, etc. It was a bigger and more adventurous game. Plus, the two monkeys in DKC2 were my personal favorite. Donkey Kong is fine but I never could like tha baby Kong from 3. 

Plus, the whole "feel" and atmosphere of 2 is amazing to me. The music, the graphics, the pirate theme, the abandoned amusement park, etc. I guess 3 was a little too "kiddy" for me, it always felt almost like an educational game to me because of the kindergarten/summer camp theme.

But by no means is 3 bad, it is about as good to me as the first.

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:20:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Stryphos

-- Disclaimer: All of the following are my opinion --

Mega Man 2 > Mega Man

Ninja Gaiden 2 > Ninja Gaiden. This is mostly due to 1) Being nostalgic and 2) Difficulty seems toned down somewhat.

Final Fight 2 > Final Fight

Super Turrican 2 > Super Turrican

Conversely ...

Super Mario World > Yoshi's Island

Castlevania > Simon's Quest

Legend of Zelda > Adventure of Link

Perfect list. Iconic, classic examples in both directions.
I'm also gonna have to disagree with the OP on Mega Man X2 being better than X.

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:24:26 PM
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Originally posted by: Stryphos

Originally posted by: winterfish

Mario Kart 64 > Super Mario Kart
Oh man, that's a ban-worthy offense right there.  Sick 'em Dain!

 

Lol! This is all a matter of opinion of course but yes I loved MK64 more than SMK.

Oh how about the mother of all sequels, Street Fighter II > Street Fighter?


Sep 18, 2014 at 4:27:21 PM
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I'd say it's pretty even in both cases, but I tend to prefer the first game in most cases.


Edited: 09/18/2014 at 04:42 PM by FullMoonCello

Sep 18, 2014 at 4:29:10 PM
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It's funny on the mega Man X games X.3 was firing off at the end of the super Nintendo life so I didn't even get a chance to play it until well after the super Nintendo was long gone. That said, I think that mega Man X I have more memories of playing but I really do believe that mega Man X2 is the overall better game.

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:34:19 PM
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I must say I liked SMW 2: Yoshi's Island more than SMW.

Don't get me wrong I definitely like SMW though

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:34:40 PM
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In general I agree with you but Mega Man X2 was a terrible example. The first MMX game is BY FAR the better game.

Sep 18, 2014 at 4:37:56 PM
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Pokemon Gold and Silver were great sequels. It fixed all the problems, added lots of new features and included the original region in the post game.
Jak 2 is also one of my favorites, but it changed a lot from the original, so it's hard to outright say it's better even though I think it is.

Oh and Uncharted 2 especially, another fantastic Naughty Dog sequel

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:42:51 PM
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Mario Galaxy 2 > Mario Galaxy
Yoshis Island > Mario World 1
DKC2 > DKC
Super Bomberman 2 > Super Bomberman
Timesplitters 2 > Timesplitters
THPS 2 > THPS
Super Mario Land 2 > Super Mario Land
Twisted Metals 2 > Twisted Metal

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Sep 18, 2014 at 4:50:53 PM
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Some games where the 3rd is better than the first two... (in my opinion)...

Super Metroid > Metroid & Metroid 2
Castlevania 3 > Castlevania 1 & 2
Zelda: A Link to the Past > Zelda 1 & 2
F-Zero GX > F-Zero & F-Zero X
Kirby's Dreamland 3 > Kirby's Dreamland 1 & 2
Mortal Kombat 3 > Mortal Kombat 1 & 2
Mega Man X3 > Mega Man X & X2
Breath of Fire 3 > Breath of Fire 1 & 2
Sonic Advance 3 > Sonic Advance 1 & 2
SSX 3 > SSX & SSX Tricky
Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind > Elder Scrolls 1 & 2
Fallout 3 > Fallout 1 & 2

Sep 18, 2014 at 5:08:31 PM
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Just NES games:

Zelda 2 > Zelda 1
Mega Man 2 > Mega Man 1
Mario 2 > Mario 1
Ninja Gaiden II > Ninja Gaiden I
Double Dragon II > Double Dragon I
Adventure Island II > Adventure Island I

Sep 18, 2014 at 5:51:13 PM
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Cool examples guys! As far as MMX vs. MMX2, personally they are about equal for me. However, people tend to consider X2 to be an improvement. I've read comments on that before and Favorite tends towards 2. MMX3 is usually the lowest-rated (of the SNES games that is).

Double Dragon and Adventure Island are great cases too. Castlevania on NES is probably a reverse example..

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Sep 18, 2014 at 5:53:47 PM
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How about Tekken 3 > Tekken 2. Tekken 1 is a classic not to be out done.

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Sep 18, 2014 at 6:05:20 PM
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Not my opinions,but I'd hedge my bets that these sequels are considered more popular than the first installment.

Mega Man 2 > MM 1 (nes)
Res Evil 2 > Res Evil 1 (ps1)
SF 2 > SF 1 (any version)
MK 2 > MK 1 (any version)
Galaga > Galaxian (arcade)
TMNT 2 > TMNT (nes)
Tecmo Super Bowl > Tecmo Bowl (nes)

Sep 18, 2014 at 6:14:48 PM
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Originally posted by: Stryphos

Originally posted by: winterfish

Mario Kart 64 > Super Mario Kart
Oh man, that's a ban-worthy offense right there.  Sick 'em Dain!

 
I actually agree with winterfish. Super mario kart is garbage compared to any other mario kart.

@OP, Megaman X is definitely the best in the series. There's no contest.

Pretty much every sequel has already been said. Mario 3 better than 1 and 2, star fox 64 better than 1 and 2, a lot of zelda game have been better than the 1st one. The only thing I can add is that the later megaman battle network games were better than the 1st.





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Link to the Past > Zelda 1&2

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