Originally posted by: nessuper

isnt that game opened?

Originally posted by: Segertar



Yes it is. Also, VGA doesn't grade opened games.
 

Originally posted by: Guntz

Yeah if the plastic wrap has been opened enough to allow the box to be opened normally, it's not brand new anymore.

Originally posted by: Holy-SNES


[b]If a game has never been used, then it is considered brand new, irrespective of whether the shrink wrap has been removed or if the box has been opened.[/b]
Brand new doesnt necessarily refer to an item being in the exact condition when it came off the production line or arrived in retail stores.
Your comment is very debatable, which should be possibly reserved for another post, if it hasn't been done so already.
And I'm sure it will be a 50/50, agree/disagree arguement.

Getting back on topic, there is nothing in his listing that violates eay policy.

 

Originally posted by: Korn Cakes



This is your opinion though, not eBay policy. As was stated above, it clearly says "An item that has never been opened or removed from the manufacturer's sealing"

Obviously it hasn't been removed from the manufacturer's sealing, but it has been opened. Just beacause you don't think it counts as not being new doesn't mean they should too.


Edit: Just realized how much of a dick I sound like. Not my intention.

Originally posted by: Segertar


Ebay clearly states that an item has to be unopened to be considered Brand new:

Brand New	An item that has never been opened or removed from the manufacturer's sealing (if applicable). Item is in original shrink wrap (if applicable). See the seller's listing for full details.
Like New	An item that looks as if it was just taken out of shrink wrap. No visible wear, and all facets of the item are flawless and intact. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.

This item has been opened, whether or not the game has been played is a moot point. It should not be listed as 'Brand New'.


Holy-SNES - VGA would not grade this game.

"VGA WILL grade unsealed boxes if the following criteria is met:

• For grading under the standard grading scale, an item must not have originally come sealed from the factory. This must be the exclusive or most common way the item was released and the contents must be verified as new. We will only grade boxed items which are no longer tape sealed (i.e. tape cut or lifted) under this grading scale if a boxed item also has an intact interior blister seal, and all of the accompanying contents and paperwork are stilled sealed in their respective bags when applicable."

Originally posted by: robby808

VGA will grade brand new games (even if opened) as "qualified" grading. They make sure it has never been used and is indeed brand new.

Originally posted by: Segertar


Ebay clearly states that an item has to be unopened to be considered Brand new:

Brand New	An item that has never been opened or removed from the manufacturer's sealing (if applicable). Item is in original shrink wrap (if applicable). See the seller's listing for full details.
Like New	An item that looks as if it was just taken out of shrink wrap. No visible wear, and all facets of the item are flawless and intact. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.

This item has been opened, whether or not the game has been played is a moot point. It should not be listed as 'Brand New'.


Holy-SNES - VGA would not grade this game.

"VGA WILL grade unsealed boxes if the following criteria is met:

• For grading under the standard grading scale, an item must not have originally come sealed from the factory. This must be the exclusive or most common way the item was released and the contents must be verified as new. We will only grade boxed items which are no longer tape sealed (i.e. tape cut or lifted) under this grading scale if a boxed item also has an intact interior blister seal, and all of the accompanying contents and paperwork are stilled sealed in their respective bags when applicable."

Originally posted by: Segertar



Splitting hairs here..

Under the standard grading scale (not qualified), VGA will not grade opened games.

Qualfied grading on a game that was originally factory sealed, means nothing...


If the seal has been broken, or opened, then it is not brand new.

Originally posted by: Holy-SNES

Ok, so is this discussion regarding whether YOU feel like this violates eBays 'brand new' policy, or whether it actually does?
I use the words brand new to describe something that has never been used.
Others use it as describing something that is in the exact condition it came from when it was released.
In a court of law, where a descision can't be reached, the judge will use reasoning to rule.
The general public will most likely consider this item brand new, even though the shrink has been opened at one end, and I'm pretty certain a judge will also.
But, thought I'd go and ask eBay mayself...
(mind you, this is only a supervisors opinion. I didnt have the heart to report the listing, but if I did, I think they will warrent it)

Hannie Mae L.
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mickeymovz1979
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mickeymovz1979
Thats good. I have a question regarding the item no. 150757067623

mickeymovz1979
The seller has listed the auction under the 'brand new' eBay description.

mickeymovz1979
The 'brand new' description states 'An item that has never been opened or removed from the manufacturer's sealing (if applicable). Item is in original shrink wrap (if applicable). See the seller's listing for full details.'

mickeymovz1979
Even though this item is still in the original shrink wrap, the shrink wrap has clearly been opened at one end.

mickeymovz1979
I'm not too sure whether 'brand new' applies to an opened but unused item, or only to an item that has the full shrink wrap on it.

mickeymovz1979
My question is, if the contents of the shrink wrap, ie; the box and it's inner contents, are in fact unused (the box being unopened) but the shrink wrap has been partially opened at an end allowing the box to be opened, as stated in the listing, does this item warrent eBays 'brand new' description or is it in violation of eBay's 'brand new' poilcy?

Hannie Mae L.
I understand that you are concern about the item condition of the item you are watching. I'll help you on this.

Hannie Mae L.
While I check on this, will there be anything else that you'd want me to look into?

mickeymovz1979
No thank you

Hannie Mae L.
Sure. Basically it doesn't really violation the item condition policy we have since as long as the item it self is unused especially for this one a game, it wouldn't matter if the box or wrapper is opened on one end.

mickeymovz1979
Oh ok. Was this confirmed by your supervisor or is this your personal opinion?

Hannie Mae L.
Yes it is confirmed by my supervisor. As the item itself is brand new, though if you feel that this listing is in violation of some listing practices. I can repotr this one from my end so that our trust and safety team will be able to investigate on it and will be taking action on this within 24-48 hours.

mickeymovz1979
No its ok thank you.

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