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Oct 28, 2011 at 6:33:22 PM
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Originally posted by: buyatari2

This is an example of how when one person puts something in print just once it becomes the law. Now I'm glad to see Chiller included with the others but how does the AGCI Wally Bear differ from Chiller?

To be fair the 2 AGCI Wally Bears that were found are nothing alike. One Wally Bear without a label, with a code that was not final was found. Another Wally Bear with a retail label and final code was found. To me one is clearly more prototype than the other.


Yeah, I don't see any difference between your Wally Bear and the Sharedata Chiller.  The AGCI Wally I have is clearly a prototype (no label, code different than retail release), but yours is much more complicated.

I put both the Sharedata Chiller and AGCI Wally Bear with the full label in the same "where the hell did these come from and what exactly were they for?" category/ 

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Oct 28, 2011 at 6:41:44 PM
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Originally posted by: buyatari2

This is an example of how when one person puts something in print just once it becomes the law. Now I'm glad to see Chiller included with the others but how does the AGCI Wally Bear differ from Chiller?

To be fair the 2 AGCI Wally Bears that were found are nothing alike. One Wally Bear without a label, with a code that was not final was found. Another Wally Bear with a retail label and final code was found. To me one is clearly more prototype than the other.

If Wally Bear is a prototype than the definition of a prototype needs to be stated. To me a prototype is an item that is a stepping stone towards a final product. You have seen them. Handwritten labels and chips sticking out of the plastic etc, The AGCI Wally Bear has a final label and final code. If you put this cart with 2 other AGCI carts it fits right in.

If however, your definition of prototype is more concerned with a confirmed release and having solid release data then several games on this list are now prototypes. NWC was never released. CMII was never released. What about Chiller, we aren't sure yet. Campus Challenge is also for sure a prototype. However when you see these items *(even Campus Challenge) as final products for what they were intended for then none of them are prototypes Wally Bear included.

The Volleyball should be in the same category as the lottery cart. Until collectors have confirmed carts in their hands these are both Unconfirmed or rumormill.


You're probably right. I removed the word "prototype" and I'll refrain from making categories. That should elviate most of your concerns. Now its just a list. A list that most would agree consists of rare items, regardless of sub-category, which probably better reflects my topic title. Licensed, unlicesnsed, released, unreleased, or prototypes I think the consensus would be that they're all rare in their own right.  

I did this thread more for entertainment more than anything else. And to be fair I write unconfirmed as often as possible to stress the fact that I really can't prove anything. I think that most of the members that have responded (or just read) are reading this as I've hoped, for entertainment only. 

As for volleyball, I'm still looking into it. Lotto, well I've seen and read enough to believe that the information I wrote is at the very least worth reading. I even put at the end "all of this is totally unconfirmed."  


Oct 29, 2011 at 3:50:05 PM
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Some guy is selling Canadian cereal box stickers. Among those listed is this one.

96 Kelloggs Frosted Flakes - Olympics (Beach Volleyball) Factory-Sealed)

Also the original post on DigitPress of the guy finding the game;

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/a...


Probably just someone replacing a label less cartridge with a sticker.

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Oct 31, 2011 at 12:57:16 PM
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Oct 31, 2011 at 1:14:24 PM
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You could almost put the SEI black and white label version of Impossible Mission II on the list. I think it's kind of an interesting story behind the game. Also, as winroba said, Maxi 15! Also, the Game Action Replay (by STD) is another interesting device/game. It's kind of a stretch to call it a game (it's more like a game genie), but still interesting.

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Oct 31, 2011 at 1:20:22 PM
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Originally posted by: NESMASTER14

You could almost put the SEI black and white label version of Impossible Mission II on the list. I think it's kind of an interesting story behind the game. Also, as winroba said, Maxi 15! Also, the Game Action Replay (by STD) is another interesting device/game. It's kind of a stretch to call it a game (it's more like a game genie), but still interesting.


I asked for maxi because I found a CIB american one in the wild yesterday with an Action 52 Plus, I know absolutely nothing about it

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Oct 31, 2011 at 1:23:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Xcracked8ballX


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.disney.collecting/browse_...

Some guy is selling Canadian cereal box stickers. Among those listed is this one.

96 Kelloggs Frosted Flakes - Olympics (Beach Volleyball) Factory-Sealed)

Also the original post on DigitPress of the guy finding the game;

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-36326.html


Probably just someone replacing a label less cartridge with a sticker.


yes, this needs to be debunked.  That is the only instance, only thread about the damn kelloggs cart.

Kellogss would have NOT given away an NES game in 1996 - NOA and NOC didn't even have NES games in the market.  They were working on getting the N64 ready for launch.  The date on the sticker + this being on a NES game does not and never will make it a "rare" game. Just a relabel - would look best in Paul's collection.


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Oct 31, 2011 at 2:12:05 PM
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Yeah, this whole Kelloggs thing is just making us look stupid. We all should know better, I mean nothing really adds up. It has to just be a sticker slapped onto a label-less cart. There's no way a company as big as Kellogs would've promoted in such a way, especially at that time. I'm amazed at how far this has gotten. I guess if someone really wants to get to the bottom of it and confirm 100%, maybe try contacting Kelloggs?

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Nov 3, 2011 at 11:04:55 AM
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I wrote Kelloggs.

"Hello Sir or Madam, I am trying to find out information regarding and item I came across. The items is a original nintendo cartridge with a Kelloggs label that reads "M C.O.A./A.O.C TM Kellogg Canada Inc./ TM Marque Commerce De Kellogg Inc. 1996, Beach Volleyball/Volleyball de plage." The label has some Kelloggs copyright information, in addition to Tony the Tiger, the symbol for the Olympics and the Canadian maple leaf with an Olympic torch in front of it. My question is as follows, is this item real? Was this authorized by Kelloggs in 1996 or at anytime? I am a member of a video game forum and this has been a mystery for over ten years. Any info that Kelloggs could offer would be appreciated. Thank you for your time."

Hopefully they will get back to me, but I have to agree with most of you. This most likely is a kid who put a sticker on a label-less copy of Super Spike V-ball. Not to mention the year makes little sense. Like that other guy wrote, in 1996 they would have made a SNES game, not a NES game. Information to follow.

Nov 5, 2011 at 7:12:52 PM
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Hope they write back to you! I've never even heard of that Kelloggs thing...

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Nov 9, 2011 at 8:13:32 AM
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So I got a response from Kelloggs. This is word for word from [email protected]:

"XXXXX,

Thank you for contacting us.

We appreciate your interest in this piece of our history. However, we were unable to provide the specific information you have requested. We suggest that you contact a dealer or collector of memorabilia in your area to help determine its origin and value.

We appreciate your interest in our company and products.

Sincerely,
Samantha B. Chavira
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025377126AA"

So nothing definitive, not a confirmation or denial. But I think we can all agree this is not a real game. During my research I tried to think out of the box. So at one point I was doing a search for just the 1996 Kellogg's Olympic stickers, but I came up short. The lack of information about this game also seems suspicious. So while I am no authority on this, I will say that in my book the "Kellogg's Beach Volleyball" is not a real game.

Nov 15, 2011 at 7:35:27 PM
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You need to at least update the Caltron/Myriad posting. Caltron and Myriad were the same. Caltron and Myriad are NTDEC/MegaSoft. That's the truth... and if it's not, then the current information you have under Caltron can be filed along as hersay as well. Caltron never sold it's remaining inventory to Myriad, because they were the same company!

The history you have posted has absolutely NO fact behind it. It needs to be filed "under investigation".

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Are you kidding me? Of course KBV is real! Slap a label on an old game with new sponser's and you've got a game! They did it all the time with the atrai 2600!

Nov 19, 2011 at 6:40:48 PM
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Originally posted by: buyatari2

Originally posted by: qixmaster

I thought the kellogs volleyball was just some sticker somebody put on a Super Spike Vball cartridge - it was found in Canada if i recall and I have my doubts about it...

As for Stadium Events - as to where it has been found, it was not limited to Woolworths Department stores. One was found with a sticker on it from Children's Playland that was located in Brooklyn, NY and is now defunct - a sealed one was found in the midwest, many loose carts have been found throughout the US and complete versions of it have been found as far West as Seattle, WA. It is not and never was exclusive to Woolworths. There are too many incosistancies with that theory.

As for Myriad - from what I've researched and discovered (going through old public records from and around Houston, Kingwood and Humble TX) was that the company "Caltron" was actually the same company as "Myriad", reformed. NTDEC - a well known Pirate Company set up shop somewhere in the US (California if memory serves) and used the name Caltron - this made NTDEC look more legit, thus giving it a level playing field with other Unlicensed companies from the era. Nintendo pressured them to stop, they went "defunct", but popped up again as Myriad Games in Humble/Kingwood Texas. There was a registered business name from the era, in or around the Houston, TX area with the name Mega Soft. NTDEC MegaSoft was the pirate outfit that made this game and it is just too much of a coincidence that Caltron would "sell" anything to another company to produce. They were in the market of making illegal shit, not following the rules - they circumvented the rules and sold this stuff, from what it seems, almost exclusively to the rental market. Really, Caltron/Myriad are just two over glorified pirate cartridges with nice boxes/manuals.

The Woolworths story was always suspect to me. Why would Woolworths get exclusive rights to any NES game?





True, about the only thing I ever remember about Woolworth's is we were able to always some how convince our parents that we need another hamster to replace the one we bought the previous week that escaped in the house somewhere, lol.


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Nov 19, 2011 at 9:21:17 PM
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I think Huge Insect would be a good addition to the RARE list.

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Nov 29, 2011 at 1:26:40 PM
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Originally posted by: qixmaster

You need to at least update the Caltron/Myriad posting. Caltron and Myriad were the same. Caltron and Myriad are NTDEC/MegaSoft. That's the truth... and if it's not, then the current information you have under Caltron can be filed along as hersay as well. Caltron never sold it's remaining inventory to Myriad, because they were the same company!

The history you have posted has absolutely NO fact behind it. It needs to be filed "under investigation".


Hey Qix, canyou provide me with some more details regarding Caltron/Myriad. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the information I've read has stated otherwise. A link perhaps? Thanks

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I just thought I'd share some more thoughts/theories on Sharedata Chiller. To my knowledge, no boxes for these have been found. Possibly Sharedata licensed a small batch of Color Dreams equipment and these were sent out to magazines or something to review? They wouldn't have to produce many, and maybe they just wanted a quick presentable package before making their own cart shells/labels? To my knowledge, companies usually didn't send the box when sending a game in to be reviewed.

In conclusion, I believe this may very well be a demo copy of the game to be sent to reviewers. I think the only way to find out more about this is if someone found a box for it, or opened a sealed one, if such exists. If this was test marketed in Arizona (where Sharedata was), you'd think a box would've popped up by now, since they wouldn't just have a cart on a store shelf.

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Mar 21, 2012 at 8:03:53 PM
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Thanks for that info!

Mar 21, 2012 at 9:01:22 PM
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I *think* it's time to update the Caltron entry though. There are MUCH more than just two sealed copies out there now

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Mar 21, 2012 at 9:11:07 PM
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Originally posted by: NESMASTER14

I just thought I'd share some more thoughts/theories on Sharedata Chiller. To my knowledge, no boxes for these have been found. Possibly Sharedata licensed a small batch of Color Dreams equipment and these were sent out to magazines or something to review? They wouldn't have to produce many, and maybe they just wanted a quick presentable package before making their own cart shells/labels? To my knowledge, companies usually didn't send the box when sending a game in to be reviewed.

In conclusion, I believe this may very well be a demo copy of the game to be sent to reviewers. I think the only way to find out more about this is if someone found a box for it, or opened a sealed one, if such exists. If this was test marketed in Arizona (where Sharedata was), you'd think a box would've popped up by now, since they wouldn't just have a cart on a store shelf.


With only 5-10 known you really can't be sure. Air Raid for Atari was considered an overseas bootleg because no one had produced a box for years. All we knew about was loose carts. Then the first boxed copy shows up on ebay out of nowhere and sold for $30k+



Mar 21, 2012 at 9:18:39 PM
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^great point - sharedata box + manual here we come!

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Mar 21, 2012 at 9:22:02 PM
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Not that is matters but is there an Icon for owning an Action 52 or just Cheetah Men II?

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Jul 11, 2012 at 1:40:14 PM
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bump for a good thread

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Dec 2, 2012 at 11:51:03 PM
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Great Job man Thanks to help us to learn more everyday

Dec 3, 2012 at 1:47:19 AM
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Why isn't panic restaurant filled in? There's no mystery there.

Edit: Well, there seems to be a lot of games/info that should be added to this, and some of this stuff probabyl doesn't belog here.


Edited: 12/03/2012 at 01:50 AM by koolaidman