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Mar 17, 2016 at 6:28:52 PM
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*Sigh.....*

Needless to say, it wasnt cleaned and tested, or working, or rare. It was just Double Dragon II on NES.

Anyone have horrer stories like this too?

Case opened with eBay as I havent received a response in over 4 days. Be careful out there fellas... 

Also, how the hell does this even happen? Humidity? Dipped in water? Yikes... 





Edited: 03/17/2016 at 11:12 PM by NintendoAge Moderator

Mar 17, 2016 at 6:31:55 PM
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Oh my god was that copy somewhere that flooded?

Mar 17, 2016 at 6:39:59 PM
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It's usually neglect due to having been in a damp areas, probably sitting in someone's water-damp garage in a box for a very long time.

The black line going across the top of the pins could be roach poop as well.

I deal with this stuff all the time since I clean NES games for a living. It's salvageable, but you'd probably be better off to return it and get a refund.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 6:47:21 PM
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It was shipped from the Washington DC area so who knows.

I remember the game had a weird odor of some sort. I did the regular clean the game with a Q-Tip routine and after a few swabs in there the Q-Tip was nearly a brown'ish-black. I was like WTF? Opened it up and welp...

It looks like its so badly corroded that some of the pins are probably completely separated from the rest of the circuit.

I am just getting the refund, but I have never seen any game that was THIS BAD. Yikes

Mar 17, 2016 at 7:17:57 PM
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I've seen some carts worse. Like lemos said it probably still works. I think the line is part to do with where the shell comes together and touches the board. That insect (roach shit) is the worst! And I think it's corrosive.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 7:23:32 PM
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Just out of curiosity but when they put no refunds sold as/is in the body of their eBay post you can still always get a refund correct?

Mar 17, 2016 at 7:42:14 PM
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I could clean that with a white eraser, near perfect.


Edited: 03/17/2016 at 07:42 PM by zredgemz

Mar 17, 2016 at 7:55:26 PM
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I sometimes sell on ebay...I don't open games up like that but I do clean the pins and make sure to test it so far as it gets through the title screen and into the game. Is that good enough? I always wonder if I have to do more...haven't had any complaints though?

I've seen local resellers (the scumbag ones) have really nasty condition stuff...I never buy from them because 1. resellers, 2. higher then ebay prices, 3. if they didn't care enough to clean their games...they don't care enough to test them.

I've also see local stores pull this stuff as well...not as bad as the one OP has but...yeah. I have to wonder why stores do that though...not enough people to clean the games? Do they test the games even...

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Mar 17, 2016 at 8:16:44 PM
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Originally posted by: AlexElectric

Just out of curiosity but when they put no refunds sold as/is in the body of their eBay post you can still always get a refund correct?

You can always get a refund no matter what they put in the description. The disclaimers are worthless


Mar 17, 2016 at 8:28:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Gutling

Originally posted by: AlexElectric

Just out of curiosity but when they put no refunds sold as/is in the body of their eBay post you can still always get a refund correct?

You can always get a refund no matter what they put in the description. The disclaimers are worthless




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Mar 17, 2016 at 8:57:54 PM
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That's what my TMNT looked like but I managed to get it working. I couldn't even read the label (definitely flood damage)! With every trick in the book distilled water and 99.9% electronics grade isopropyl, purpose-made contact cleaner, Nintendo's "magic" swabs, eraser, etc). Eventually I got it to the point where it would only boot in a top loader and only when I pulled it out slightly. Some of the pins had holes corroded straight through and others had lumps of corrosion that simply could not be taken off without extreme measures... and by "extreme measures" I don't mean Brasso or sandpaper (tried those too): I mean by taking screwdrivers and razor blades to it and scratching the contacts to hell and back. Even then it would not work reliably on a front loader. What it ultimately required was some dielectric grease, which I applied and wiped off since I was going to be boiling that NES connector anyway. I was lucky that none of the traces had holes at the point where a pin would rest and that none of the corrosion broke continuity. It now works pretty reliably with no trace repair. Amazing considering how bad it looked.

Mar 17, 2016 at 9:00:50 PM
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I've found a cart or two with a couple pins that look like that, but never all of them. That's just nasty, i'd imagine it's water damage like others have said.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 9:18:31 PM
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Worst I have seen in awhile.....must have slipped through their system.

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Mar 17, 2016 at 9:29:33 PM
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Originally posted by: GsoFly

It was shipped from the Washington DC area so who knows.

I remember the game had a weird odor of some sort. I did the regular clean the game with a Q-Tip routine and after a few swabs in there the Q-Tip was nearly a brown'ish-black. I was like WTF? Opened it up and welp...

It looks like its so badly corroded that some of the pins are probably completely separated from the rest of the circuit.

I am just getting the refund, but I have never seen any game that was THIS BAD. Yikes
How about this? (Huge degree of Roach poop as well as corrosion)


No worries, though. I got it polished and cleaned!


 

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Mar 17, 2016 at 9:31:11 PM
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Originally posted by: BouncekDeLemos

It's usually neglect due to having been in a damp areas, probably sitting in someone's water-damp garage in a box for a very long time.

The black line going across the top of the pins could be roach poop as well.

I deal with this stuff all the time since I clean NES games for a living. It's salvageable, but you'd probably be better off to return it and get a refund.
Yeah. A place with intermittent temperature swings that promotes condensation is pretty likely. A shed or a garage that's opened wide to the humid outdoor air as the morning ends after being cool and dark all night will often cause everything inside to get a thin coating of condensation before temperature equalizes (and much longer if things are at 100% humidity already).

Mar 17, 2016 at 9:32:16 PM
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I take it you own a local store? If so i will say that if you clean your games before sale that is mighty nice of you, a store that i have been going to since 2006 only cleans the outside.

Mar 17, 2016 at 9:34:37 PM
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I forgot about the copy of Kirby Block Ball I recent got at a flea market. It has one corroded pin with one tiny spot corroded right through. It's at exactly the right spot to keep a certain Super Game Boy pin from making contact. Pulling it out slightly like the TMNT cart mentioned above gets it to work, but some Gameboy devices physically prevent this! I hope the pins line up differently in a classic Game Boy.

Mar 17, 2016 at 9:48:22 PM
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Originally posted by: zredgemz

I take it you own a local store? If so i will say that if you clean your games before sale that is mighty nice of you, a store that i have been going to since 2006 only cleans the outside.
I do, been working at a game store for over 15 years.

I've always figured that it's best to spend the time and clean and test everything to make the customer happy rather than spend the time losing a customer's trust, frustrating them, and potentially loosing out on money because you have to refund. 

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Mar 17, 2016 at 10:14:57 PM
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I am trying to get this thing cleaned just in case I can get it to work. Just for shits and giggles as this point. Just by scraping around it seems a lot of these spots are very deep, especially on the back side. White colored corrosion. When I put it in the toaster, top loader, or the retron5 all I get is a flashing red light, white screen (top loader) and retron5 doesn't recognize the game. Just by lightly snading it it seems as if a lot of these contacts are highly pitted. Ill let you guys know how it turns out.

Here are links to might larger pics. (warning, LARGE pics)
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Edited: 03/17/2016 at 10:15 PM by GsoFly

Mar 18, 2016 at 1:50:17 AM
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Welp, took a damn belt sander to the thing to get it down as far as i can without sanding it to oblivion... Didnt work. Something else might be bad with the board considering how bad the contacts were. Who knows, just a blank white screen or flashing red (depending on which system I test it on)





Edited: 03/18/2016 at 01:52 AM by GsoFly

Mar 18, 2016 at 12:15:17 PM
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Originally posted by: BouncekDeLemos
 
Originally posted by: zredgemz

I take it you own a local store? If so i will say that if you clean your games before sale that is mighty nice of you, a store that i have been going to since 2006 only cleans the outside.
I do, been working at a game store for over 15 years.

I've always figured that it's best to spend the time and clean and test everything to make the customer happy rather than spend the time losing a customer's trust, frustrating them, and potentially loosing out on money because you have to refund. 

theres a local store I go to that upon sale opens every cartridge and shows the pins, and will give a quick cleaning or polishing if needed. they also offer a 90 day warranty on all cartridge based games. pretty sweet.

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Mar 18, 2016 at 2:52:28 PM
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How much is the grit on your belt sander? I usually clean stuff around 1200+, but at least 800. Any lower than that, and you could possibly damage the pins.

If you want, send me a PM and I'll give you my address and I'll see if I can get it fixed up for you. Hopefully it won't be more than a week or two because I'm about out of my cleaning solution, but I get paid this weekend, and I can try and see if I can get it to work.

The only problem is that if it's sanded down too far to where the metal is all pink, you might have to get it transplanted to a new PCB. If it gets to that, I'll see if I can ask a few people on here if they have any repro boards in case you don't want to cannibalize another cart.

How ever you want to go about it, the best of luck to ya, man!

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Mar 18, 2016 at 2:56:00 PM
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Originally posted by: GsoFly

Welp, took a damn belt sander to the thing to get it down as far as i can without sanding it to oblivion... Didnt work. Something else might be bad with the board considering how bad the contacts were. Who knows, just a blank white screen or flashing red (depending on which system I test it on)

 

first of all that thing is a goner, but you should not be using sandpaper. 

second of all, hope the seller doesn't catch this because that would be grounds for ebay to deny your claim.
 

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Mar 18, 2016 at 3:25:05 PM
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Originally posted by: Lincoln
 
Originally posted by: GsoFly

Welp, took a damn belt sander to the thing to get it down as far as i can without sanding it to oblivion... Didnt work. Something else might be bad with the board considering how bad the contacts were. Who knows, just a blank white screen or flashing red (depending on which system I test it on)

 

first of all that thing is a goner, but you should not be using sandpaper. 

second of all, hope the seller doesn't catch this because that would be grounds for ebay to deny your claim.
 
I agree with Lincoln here. Once you use sandpaper, it's pretty much gone.

Now, not to sound hypocritical (and Lincoln, you'll probably disagree with hearing this, lol) -- I'll admit, I do use sandpaper myself, but that's if it's really really really super-fine grit and only if I really really have to. (DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME!) I mean the stuff I use has to be to the point where it's basically a cloth. When you use heavier gritted stuff, you grind past the connective gold and metal parts down to the pink part which isn't quite conductive. Basically, don't try and sand it down, especially without the proper tools. Again, I've been doing it for 15 years, but I won't recommend anyone useing sandpaper if it's something that they're not familiar using when it comes to NES carts.

What I can recommend is a pretty cool guide by someone named 'CRTGAMER' on the racketboy forums. http://www.racketboy.com/forum/vi...

It shows the various methods and cleaning supplies to use when cleaning your carts. I usually recommend cleaning something like a SMB/DH cart since there are plenty of those laying around before you get the confidence to work on other carts.

I will also agree with Lincoln about the Ebay claim. Sometimes it's hard to fight the claim you placed with just opening a cart, much less trying to sand it down. Any faults have to be on the seller, and with any further tampering will cause Ebay to deny your claim.

 

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Mar 18, 2016 at 4:56:01 PM
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Seller refunded the cost and canceled the order today no questions asked once I opened the claim last night. it was only a $12 double dragon game so they probably didnt want to waste their time or anything. There was no possible way to get the corrosion without having to go that deep into the pins. It was that bad. Belt sander grit was at 800 level and for short, light bursts. Game was toast, I seriously doubt there was any way to get it fixed without transplanting the EPOMS into another board.

If you want it, ill ship it to you free of charge, maybe you can get that thing working again just for fun. Haha


Edited: 03/18/2016 at 04:58 PM by GsoFly