Anybody have a guess as to where this untrimmed grail will end? Currently at $1.37M with a week to go.

http://goldinauctions.com/LotDeta...

http://www.sportscollectorsdaily....

And we sit here whining about high prices on video games XD

And this my friends is what makes our hobby still cheap ass cheap. Even our holiest of grails can only reach the 25 to 50k area.

This is "the" card of all baseball cards. But ironically enough, this is yet another great example of what hype can do to a price... the Wagner isn't even the rarest card in the T-206 set! There's some rare error variant that is next to impossible to find (forgive my ignorance on not knowing the name off the top of my head).

Should be fun to watch!

Ah,the Stadium Events of sports cards....
Well,that card is over 100 years old. The oldest video game is what,40 years old? Maybe in a hundred years a sealed or mint cib Stadium Events will be at that price. Who knows....

I'm going to venture to say this will end around the $6 million mark. I've been out of the sports card hobby for over 15 years,so I may be way off,but something of this significance almost always breaks records in terms of what people pay for it. No clue what the current record is...$3.5mil? $4mil?

I am curious about something, is there someone in the world with a complete baseball card collection from start to present (since it's still going on)?

The only known Old Mill blue back Ed Walsh to exist recently was certified and graded. There was an "albino" Eddie Plank auctioned recently which is one of two known, I believe, to exist. The error cards of Sherry "Magee" Magie and Joe Doyle "Nat'l" along with the standard short printed Eddie Plank Sweet Caporal back are all rarer than the Wagner.

Yeah that's a beauty right there. Someone filthy rich will pay over $5 mil for sure. Beautiful piece

I think that would be impossible due to the flooding of the market during the '90s. However, I'm pretty sure Keith Olberman has a complete T206 set with all the major error cards.

What about a complete rookie card set for each player to play the game?

100% correct. But we all know rarity does not always equal value, and vice versa. This will be very cool to watch.

Highly doubt it. Most people either collect all the cards of a specific player or collect complete sets from
certain years e.g. 86 Topps. If someone did have a set like that,they'd have a lot of space and even more money.

There are thousand of 1/1's so this is impossible. Unless of course, we're not counting cards of a certain quantity produced.

Ah, the Doyle Nat'l card is the one I was thinking of... thanks for the heads up!

I watched an incredibly interesting documentary on this card a while back about this card being graded an 8, but looked to be trimmed to make it nicer. The graders didnt catch it, sold multiple times for much more money each time and turns out it could be trimmed. It's really interested. If anyone is interested in seeing it, I'll look for the video.

^ please.

In a conversation on another non videogame forum about this very subject it was said and generally agreed upon that 50-100 units is the optimal number of product for the highest holy grail prices. Any less than this and it becomes too rare for its own good. When there are too few of an item the units get locked up into collections and never trade hands. It is the trading of hands each time for a higher and higher price that creates the high value.  

Anyone know roughly how many Wagner cards exist in any condition?

Maybe this?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/...

Not sure how I missed this. Grantland is one of my favorite sites.

^^^^^As of last year, PSA had graded 32 of them. So your 50-100 adage would fit perfectly here (assuming there's a few others that Beckett graded, and some ungraded ones floating around).

EDIT:  Reply to buyatari

So looking at the expensive NES items, if there were more of them they would be selling for more?  Gold NWC (~13?), CIB SE (~20?), sealed SE (~3?) are all way under that 50-100 units.  They also don't trade hands often but when they do its a big jump.  Maybe the grails won't get to insane levels like other hobbies because they are too rare.

Are you talking about ESPN's 30 for 30 series?

It is really hard to say. Our hobby is too new. 

You could make an argument that all SEs are all lumped together for these purposes. When a loose SE sells for a record price that directly affects the price of a complete copy . It is after all impossible for a loose SE to be worth more than CIB. 

You might also argue that more SEs are to be found. Far more SEs will turn up in the next 20 years than you can expect to see from the t206 Wagner card.  

I used to get a subscription to Sports Illustrated for Kids back in the day and in one of the issues Carlton Fisk was interviewed and claimed he had every Topps card ever made.  It was circa 1991, dont know if he has continued his collection though.

8Bit-Xmas...

That's it. Very interesting story.