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"Cadillac Plans" ... and does it make you mad?

Nov 1, 2009 at 3:36:45 PM
arch_8ngel (68)
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Originally posted by: Roth

I read someone's comment on a blog somewhere, and they said something about most hospitals being non-profit. I looked it up, and it seems like ~62% of hospitals are non-profit. Does anyone think that if there were more for-profit hospitals, there would be competition between these places and prices would be driven down? i.e. emergency room visits, surgeries, births, etc.?


Other than nights spent in the hospital, most of the expense is based on the physicians.  They are NOT non-profit, even at a non-profit hospital.

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Nov 1, 2009 at 4:09:11 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: Starwander

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

^^^ What kind of coverage is a person getting for only $3600 per year?

Most policies I've ever heard of cost at least $8k/year, unsubsidized.  A more realistic number is $10k-$12k per year.

Sure, people get $250/mo policies from their employer, but the employer is paying another $700-$1200 per month on top of that.

The coverage I have is all inclusive through Kaiser Permanente and it only costs $186 a month with $20 co-pays for doctor visits, $100 co-pay for ER visits and $500 co-pay for hospital admissions. No other deductibles apply. Just to clarify this isn't through a job either, it's the rate available to the general public that fit my demographics.





Kaiser Permanente is the original HMO.  To get those rates you are SEVERELY restricted in what doctors or specialists you can see and be treated by.


Please do tell that to the over 1000 physicians I can choose from to see within the Kaiser system where I live. I can choose any primary care physician to be my primary physician. Furthermore I can see any specialist without the need for a referral.

If I need emergency treatment I can go to any hospital where I live for immediate care. Appointments, even with specialists are available within 2 weeks or sooner for non-emergent care.

The rates I am speaking off are available to everyone that fits my demographics, with few limitations on the care you will receive.

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Also to clarify if I did someday need care that Kaiser was unable to provide within their system, they would cover the cost of such care minus my co-pay.




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Edited: 11/01/2009 at 04:10 PM by Starwander

Nov 1, 2009 at 4:27:21 PM
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You may want to review what your insurance actually covers and at what price.

What is your deductible and coinsurance limit?  I suspect you could be on the hook for upwards of at least $5k-$10k per person, per year.

I'm familiar with HMOs and PPOs and how they operate.  Kaiser Permanente invented the HMO, literally.  You get a cheaper rate through them, but you are sacrificing options.  Personally, if I need specialized care, I want to be able to choose the best specialist without getting stuck dealing with second-rate doctors in the insurance providers network.

If good insurance was available to the general public for $186/month there wouldn't be a national debate on healthcare.

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Nov 1, 2009 at 8:17:17 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

You may want to review what your insurance actually covers and at what price.

What is your deductible and coinsurance limit?  I suspect you could be on the hook for upwards of at least $5k-$10k per person, per year.

I'm familiar with HMOs and PPOs and how they operate.  Kaiser Permanente invented the HMO, literally.  You get a cheaper rate through them, but you are sacrificing options.  Personally, if I need specialized care, I want to be able to choose the best specialist without getting stuck dealing with second-rate doctors in the insurance providers network.

If good insurance was available to the general public for $186/month there wouldn't be a national debate on healthcare.

Here are all of the gritty details of the plan. It seems the plan that I am on isn't being offered directly any more. Here is what is currently offered and its details directly from their website

Cost per month: $160.86

Annuals Deductable: None

Maximum yearly benefits: None (In other words unlimited care regardless of the cost.)

Out of Pocket Expenses: $35.00 co-pay for doctors visits, $50.00 co-pay for specialists, $5 for generic prescriptions, $200 co-pay for ER visits, 30% co-pay for hospitalizations.

Maximum yearly out of pocket expensive: $3,000 for an individual (In others words you will pay no more than this amount regardless of expenses)

As you can see you are correct in stating that some out of pocket expense is possible. $3,000 a year can be a lot, although it is a lot better than being stuck with the entire bill. In addition you are limited to the Kaiser system for non-emergent care. While you may not have access to the best of the best, it is care I can afford. Please check out their website for a quote all they need is an email address.

I agree with you that if healthcare insurance was this affordable for the general population then health care wouldn't be an issue. This is one of the reasons that I mention Kaiser whenever I can, since they seem to have a good set-up.





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Edited: 11/01/2009 at 08:37 PM by Starwander