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Perhaps there is another way. The NES PPU generates rectangles at the NTSC colorburst frequency. The time offset of the rectangle determines the hue. There are exactly 12 possible offsets. Given that the PPU gets it's system clock from the timing Xtal (NTSC freq * 6), there are 12 possible offsets for rectangle waveforms depending whether the timing is scyned with the rising or falling edge of the Xtal. The vpp (voltage peak-to-peak) determines the saturation, which is zero for the grayscale colors. The maximum voltage (or is it average) determines the luminosity. Generally each of the 12 color hues have 4 independent shades, making 48 colors and 8 grayscales (though the grayscales have overlap). Then you have several sets of pallets based on the emphasis bits.

Previous attempts at deriving an accurate color pallet involve running the NES composite through a video capture device, taking a screenshot with large areas of the screen filled in, and sampling a color after the video hardware has already processed the input.

A better option would be to derive the individual hue, saturation and luminosity readings from each of the 56 color palettes (and emphasis bits) by examining the composite signal using a logic probe rather than a PC capture card. Has anyone ever attempted to do this? It is clear that CRTs, PC capture cards, and HDTVs all process the NTSC signals in different ways creating different colors. Why else is a CRT got blue skys in Super Mario when an LCD has purple? And the daytime world bricks are more reddish or brownish?

I think an accurate color palette would need to examine the actual signal levels coming out of the PPU before it has been processed by the ADC in an NTSC capture or display device. ]]> What's the most accurate color palette option to the NES? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=106&threadid=178257 2017-11-23T14:25:38 -05.00 acp 8 What's the most accurate color palette option to the NES? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=106&threadid=178257 2017-11-15T10:55:44 -05.00 acp 8 Originally posted by: Ichinisan

If there was a straight answer to this, we wouldn't have so many palettes to choose from.

The problem is that the NES PPU isn't natively RGB and the colors are rendered differently depending on the display device.

Then you have RGB PPUs from the PlayChoice / Versus arcade machines, but those palettes are very obviously different from the NES.

I played Ninja Gaiden on a PlayChoice 10 system recently. It looked strange. Yeah, it sucks having to choose  

What do you think, in your eyes at least, comes the closest? I liked the unsaturated option. ]]> What's the most accurate color palette option to the NES? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=106&threadid=178257 2017-11-15T10:48:31 -05.00 acp 8 Originally posted by: Sign Collector Guy
 
Originally posted by: acp

I've been messing around with this setting since I upgraded to 1.20 yesterday and I'm not sure which one to go with. I sort of liked the unsaturated option, but I'd the closest to accurate of an NES if anybody knows.

I have the RGB mod 3 color pallete swich on my toploader (not exactly the same) but I switch them around depending on the game I am playing what I like the most
 
Yeah, I noticed on one of the color palettes (I can't remember which 1) the purple'ish look changes to blue. I haven't tried it yet on this game, but I'm assuming that one would work good with Super Mario Bros. It just seemed, even though you get that Blue'ish, the other colors were over saturated to my eyes. ]]> What's the most accurate color palette option to the NES? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=106&threadid=178257 2017-11-15T10:29:32 -05.00 acp 8
The problem is that the NES PPU isn't natively RGB and the colors are rendered differently depending on the display device.

Then you have RGB PPUs from the PlayChoice / Versus arcade machines, but those palettes are very obviously different from the NES.

I played Ninja Gaiden on a PlayChoice 10 system recently. It looked strange. ]]> What's the most accurate color palette option to the NES? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=106&threadid=178257 2017-11-15T10:25:00 -05.00 acp 8 Originally posted by: acp

I've been messing around with this setting since I upgraded to 1.20 yesterday and I'm not sure which one to go with. I sort of liked the unsaturated option, but I'd the closest to accurate of an NES if anybody knows.
I have the RGB mod 3 color pallete swich on my toploader (not exactly the same) but I switch them around depending on the game I am playing what I like the most
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