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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43dzrCAfU3A ]]> "Console-perfect http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-06-22T21:09:19 -05.00 PatrickM. 522

The problem there is that I do not have room for a big CRT, like I said. I hate the look of SD consoles on an HDTV.

 

The latest Firmware for the Framemeister allows for decent-looking scanlines if you want a retro look. I made custom 4x and 5x profiles that look great (4x is better for scanlines if that's your thing). So here's my pixel-perfect setup and how much it cost me:

NES with NESRGB mod installed (uses the SNES-style multi AV port on the back): $280

Everdrive Cart with entire NES library: $120

High quiality coaxial-upgraded RGB CSync JP-21 cable: $50

XRGB-mini Framemeister: $350

HDMI cable: $10

I won't bother with listing my HDTV, AV receiver, etc. since everyone's tastes and budget will be different. But the main point is I get crystal-clear picture quality with perfectly scaled pixels using my custom profiles. Here's a photograph I took of Castlevania on my setup (which the crappy camera only hints out how clear the picture quality is):



]]> "Console-perfect" NES emulation http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-06-21T20:42:09 -05.00 PatrickM. 522 http://tecmobowl.org/topic/63263-latency-analysis-with-iphone6-240fps-camera/

Under the right conditions I was able to get ~8 ms difference from the NES to Nestopia. I haven't updated that post in a while but I was able to get my BenQ a bit closer to the CRT display.

As for a Panasonic TV, the upscaling from the NES console was only about 26ms difference but that processing time was about the same when using the PC to HDMI.

So for my purpose of playing edited roms, the investment in a HDMI modded console wouldn't be worth it to me as I feel the Nestopia emulation is close enough to "perfect" for me. ]]> "Console-perfect http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-05-17T01:21:17 -05.00 PatrickM. 522 Originally posted by: Geoff

I'm with you. Not that I prefer emulators, but that every single approach is a trade off. There is no objective 'right' way to play NES games. Just pick the method that meets your expectations best and which you can afford and respect people who choose differently without bitching at them I should have added "or consoles upscaled to 1080p on an LCD/ Plasma using an upscaling unit." They look indistinguishable. Minor point. 


]]> "Console-perfect" NES emulation http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-05-16T17:25:14 -05.00 PatrickM. 522 "Console-perfect http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-05-16T15:37:00 -05.00 PatrickM. 522 Originally posted by: Ozzy_98

Originally posted by: PatrickM.

Originally posted by: Ozzy_98

Originally posted by: bunnyboy

My thrift shops haven't had CRTs in many years, and the very few that I have gotten from neighbors/friends will never have good geometry I have a far bigger chance of actually playing the games I legitimately bought on the LCD in family room than a CRT anywhere.

I found your problem.  You have the word "California" under your name, if you change that, you should find CRT tvs still.

 
Except he's probably in a better position to find a Sony BVM or PVM.

 
I didn't know california has a better ebay than me.  You're not going to find one of these models in the wild, you need to find a video production place, since they were 10k-30k each. And honestly, I would not want one, that's not how the games are supposed to look.  I just beat double dragon V last night, and on these monitors their shadows wouldn't have worked right.

  video production place - California.

 I think there are different ways of looking at picture quality and retro gaming.
 
Some people define it as "authenticity" : the best quality picture is that which most closely resembles the CRT TVs they played on as a kid.
 
Some people try to define it using more objective criteria : the best quality picture is that picture which is the sharpest, brightest, most uniform, etc. 
 
Sometimes it's cool to fire up the old Sanyo CRT, but for the most part I just prefer the look of emulators running in 1080p with scanlines. I'm willing to sacrifice a few dithering effects because I feel the image is better overall, even taking this into account. Composite analogue signals suck


]]> "Console-perfect http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-05-16T11:40:18 -05.00 PatrickM. 522 Originally posted by: PatrickM.

Originally posted by: Ozzy_98

Originally posted by: bunnyboy

My thrift shops haven't had CRTs in many years, and the very few that I have gotten from neighbors/friends will never have good geometry I have a far bigger chance of actually playing the games I legitimately bought on the LCD in family room than a CRT anywhere.

I found your problem.  You have the word "California" under your name, if you change that, you should find CRT tvs still.

 
Except he's probably in a better position to find a Sony BVM or PVM.

  I didn't know california has a better ebay than me.  You're not going to find one of these models in the wild, you need to find a video production place, since they were 10k-30k each. And honestly, I would not want one, that's not how the games are supposed to look.  I just beat double dragon V last night, and on these monitors their shadows wouldn't have worked right.


]]> "Console-perfect http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-05-16T11:13:01 -05.00 PatrickM. 522 Originally posted by: Ozzy_98

Originally posted by: bunnyboy

My thrift shops haven't had CRTs in many years, and the very few that I have gotten from neighbors/friends will never have good geometry I have a far bigger chance of actually playing the games I legitimately bought on the LCD in family room than a CRT anywhere.

I found your problem.  You have the word "California" under your name, if you change that, you should find CRT tvs still.

  Except he's probably in a better position to find a Sony BVM or PVM.


]]> "Console-perfect http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-05-16T11:11:59 -05.00 PatrickM. 522 Originally posted by: bunnyboy

My thrift shops haven't had CRTs in many years, and the very few that I have gotten from neighbors/friends will never have good geometry I have a far bigger chance of actually playing the games I legitimately bought on the LCD in family room than a CRT anywhere.

Actually, it's more or less the same in my area (Austin). Everyone trashed their CRTs fast around here, it seems like.  ]]> "Console-perfect" NES emulation http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=135619 2015-05-15T17:44:04 -05.00 PatrickM. 522