What's your opinion of this whole thing?
WedNESday wrote:
What's your opinion of this whole thing?
Obama is a Muslim.
Truly, this is not at all related to NESdev.
the forums wrote:
General Stuff
You can talk about almost anything that you want to on this board.
Jeroen wrote:
the forums wrote:
General Stuff
You can talk about almost anything that you want to on this board.
You're right about that, I guess I was just a little put off by:
Quote:
almost
I seem to recall a user named donknotts being banned because he posted stuff in the General Stuff section like this:
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1581
That simply had nothing to do with NESDev. Also, a lot of the reason behind Jargon's ban was that he abused the General Stuff section, posting things unrelated to NESDev. Do forgive me if this doesn't count, though I am still curious why one would post this on NESDev and not a board dedicated to political issues...
Ya.....but wednesday actually posts some nesdev related stuff iirc. So I think its ok if he makes one thread about something else
Let's also not forget about pearls like
this.
I'd rather treat religious/political conflicts and personal tragedies as outside of the "almost anything" group of topics, as nothing good ever comes out of them.
Jeroen wrote:
Ya.....but wednesday actually posts some nesdev related stuff iirc. So I think its ok if he makes one thread about something else
I would help if he could explain to us why he finds it pertinent to have such conversations here. Most of the time it looks like he's just goofing around, and goofing around with serious topics is not a very nice thing to do.
You make a good point, and i'll have to agree with you.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for taking a break from all the NES talk once in a while! But I think the discussions should at least be interesting/constructive/pertinent (at least one of those!
) in some way.
I don't exactly approve any sort of prohibition though, like making a list of what's appropriate to discuss and what's not (what I said about conflicts and tragedies before is how
I feel about such topics, bot others are free to talk about that if they want and things don't get messy). But things can sometimes get out of hand, and then I believe is time for some locking and/or banning, but always on a case-by-case basis.
Jeroen wrote:
Ya.....but wednesday actually posts some nesdev related stuff iirc. So I think its ok if he makes one thread about something else
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=5151
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4515
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4664
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4665
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4607
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4599
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4010
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4576
Those are all of the most recent topics created by WedNESday in the General Stuff forum before (well after, actually) something related to NESDev comes up in the list:
http://nesdev.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4564
Most of the time, it's not so much about NESDev. But I guess since no one is complaining, whatever. I'm pretty sure though that we've had this discussion about the General Stuff forum, and that it's been sort of established that there should be some relevance to NESDev. But I could be wrong I guess.
EDIT: I agree with tokumaru about starting these kinds of topics. You'll end up with a thread that looks like YouTube comments (basically everyone calling each other offensive things and having no maturity/grace whatsoever). And I guess I'm wrong to some extent about what should be talked about here. I think it starts getting unrelated once there's no electricity involved
. I suppose programming/computer talk is okay, because that's still kind of related to development of software, which is sort of related to NESDev. That would mean some of those threads above would be okay/not too off topic. I guess it is nice to have a break every once and a while from NESDev, but this topic has absolutely no place on this board, in my opinion.
In this situation, we should let a moderator decide it this topic is appropriate or not. Tepples, what do you think?
For now it's an open question that could lead in all kind of way that I may not want to read on nes dev, but that's my personal opinion. I would prefer to leave political argumentation out of nesdev.
Mindless slaughter and hate makes some of us hopelessly depressed. That's why we sometimes need to get off the news sites and go to NES sites. But this is a general discussion area. Which means that there's room for all sorts of discussion, we just have to be tolerant.
...Much the way that there's room for both Palestinians and Israelis in Jerusalem; they just need to tolerate each other.
I've asked a sensitive but also serious question in the 'General Stuff' forums and you guys have had to make this into another one of those 'WedNESday is an arsehole/idiot/flamer/joker' again.
Yes I do like to goof around sometimes for fun, and yes my last 10 or so posts have been for fun, but the 440 odd before that weren't (save a few). The reason I haven't made any NES related questions for a while is that I haven't had the time to program much recently.
Yes I could ask this question in another forum, but I know you guys better than I know anyone else (forum wise), so I would appreciate your comments more than somebody else's.
Well my opinion is that I'm 100% neutral and that people should stop to conflict because of misinterpreated religious ideals, especially if the religious ideal in question tell people to not conflict with others. Does this answer to your question wed-nes-day ? Why are you asking that in the first place ? Because of recent trouble in Iran ?
WedNESday wrote:
I've asked a sensitive but also serious question in the 'General Stuff' forums and you guys have had to make this into another one of those 'WedNESday is an arsehole/idiot/flamer/joker' again.
- So, why don't you stop with this? Believe, you're
not a bad guy
but NES-related suits better here. Yup, you have freedom to discuss politics in another forum.
- Speaking of... The rules must be updated. Looks like paranoia, but needed.
Last time there was a discussion about rules it went full circle, and came back to me declaring there are no rules, other than Parodius' policies and the general concept of "don't be a dick".
Yep this is the general forum, seems like some of the sentiment expressed may be that we could use an "NES General" section. Sometimes this section is kind of random, sometimes it's mostly game related.
The Israeli/Palestinian conflict is probably something a lot of people don't think about. Out of sight, out of mind. I think there are small groups of idiots on both sides that get all the attention, and by far the vast majority of normal and sensible people are living in the middle of it, quietly.
I think this kind of disconnect between people can be started by some kind of screwed-up doctrine, and fueled by racism and ignorance. Look at the history of north america, people (including my ancestors) have lived here basically forever, but they were turned into refugees in their own homes. Treaties were signed and broken immediately. It was a lot of bullshit.
Thank you Memblers.
Of course the idiots who make all the fuss by blowing themselves up do get all of the attention, but my main concern is that they voted Hamas as their government, and we all know what they think of the Jews/Israel. So why should they be given a state of their own?
I'm not saying that all Muslims wants the Jews dead, but the governments of the surrounding countries certainly do. How many times have they attacked Israel only to be defeated. If I were the Israelis, I wouldn't give those particular Muslims a minute of my time, let alone half my country.
Obviously I call for peace/end of discrimination on both sides, but when it comes down to a religious war, there never will be an end.
I think I'll side with Celius on this one. One of the things that makes this forum so great is the total lack of conversations about anything remotely controversial (unless you consider how to set up your meta-meta tiles controversial
). I've been active on some other forums where it seemed controversy and flame wars appeared all the time and it just makes the place seem yucky like there's graffiti all over the place. I sincerely hope this forum continues to be the helpful, inviting and rational place that it is. Not that WedNESday was out of line asking a question about the middle east, far from it. My opinion is people over there need to STFU and play their video games more often
Yeah, its not too much different from the Catholics and Protestants over in Ireland only with oil rich lands facilitating certain hostile groups to become powerful.
Who likes rice? I like rice.
ZomCoder wrote:
I think I'll side with Celius on this one. One of the things that makes this forum so great is the total lack of conversations about anything remotely controversial (unless you consider how to set up your meta-meta tiles controversial
). I've been active on some other forums where it seemed controversy and flame wars appeared all the time and it just makes the place seem yucky like there's graffiti all over the place. I sincerely hope this forum continues to be the helpful, inviting and rational place that it is. Not that WedNESday was out of line asking a question about the middle east, far from it. My opinion is people over there need to STFU and play their video games more often
If only everyone around the world played videogames...
Then they would be too busy killing on their PC's to kill each other...
I totally second that. And if they played many RPGs, they would be taught get great philosophy lessons.
Banshaku wrote:
In this situation, we should let a moderator decide it this topic is appropriate or not. Tepples, what do you think?
Even religion and politics can be on-topic:
- Discussion related to a game with a political or religious message. For example, if a Wisdom Tree title is shown to misrepresent doctrine, how it might have been fixed (or not) given the NES's limitations.
- Discussion of policy that might restrict NES development. For example, imagine that a US President's copyright czar wants to implement a policy that might outlaw CIClone in two-thirds of the developed anglophone world (or even more in the case of treaties like the ACTA proposal).
I draw the line at
personal attacks. I also draw the line at posting off-topic more often than on when the poster has repeatedly been informed of a better venue (e.g. jargon who refused to get his own blog).
WedNESday wrote:
If only everyone around the world played videogames...
Then they would be too busy killing on their PC's to kill each other...
That or they'd climb the ladders in war shooters like America's Army and think that makes them soldier material.
Strictly speaking under the DMCA the cicclone could be considered illegal within the US because it is a device that circumvents security, but it wont be enforced because nobody cares.
tepples wrote:
Even religion and politics can be on-topic:
- Discussion related to a game with a political or religious message. For example, if a Wisdom Tree title is shown to misrepresent doctrine, how it might have been fixed (or not) given the NES's limitations.
- Discussion of policy that might restrict NES development. For example, imagine that a US President's copyright czar wants to implement a policy that might outlaw CIClone in two-thirds of the developed anglophone world (or even more in the case of treaties like the ACTA proposal).
- This isn't the case in both cases... is it? o.O Anyway, right, I don't mind, I prefer to stay out of topics like this one.
Bregalad wrote:
I totally second that. And if they played many RPGs, they would be taught get great philosophy lessons.
naI wrote:
Bregalad wrote:
I totally second that. And if they played many RPGs, they would be taught get great philosophy lessons.
Nice one!
peppers wrote:
Strictly speaking under the DMCA the cicclone could be considered illegal within the US because it is a device that circumvents security, but it wont be enforced because nobody cares.
Years later, the
Lexmark v. Static Control Components case was finally resolved, showing strong evidence of CIClone's legality.
tepples wrote:
peppers wrote:
Strictly speaking under the DMCA the cicclone could be considered illegal within the US because it is a device that circumvents security, but it wont be enforced because nobody cares.
Years later, the
Lexmark v. Static Control Components case was finally resolved, showing strong evidence of CIClone's legality.
So, this is a necrobump in a thread that is arguably off-topic, and the reply itself is off-topic to the thread...
And IMO, the topic, as asked in the original post is not even tangentially related to NES dev, or technology, video games or other related subjects, unlike the examples you gave 8 years ago. Those examples only showed that religion and politics CAN be on-topic, not that they are by default.
It's good that old /bbs/ links are redirected, though.