Is it possible to build yourself a device which will make it possible to put 60pins FAMICOM cartridges in a 72pins NES?
I mean, can I take a busted cart and use the 72 pins of the board and connect a 60pins connector on there?
I was wondering that cause I have some 60pins carts and the only way I can play em atm is by using that crappy damn Famiclone I have (shapped like a steeringwheel and the cart hang out the back)
There are Famicom->NES Converters out there. But they can cost quite a bit. Then there's those converters found in first-release NES carts.
http://www.neszone.net/articles/famiguide.shtml
So I assume 'Yes' you can build a 60->72 pin converter.
I own a few of them. I think they are more common in Brazil, where fami and NES games are so common. That's where I got mine, and cheap too, usually.
I think Rob Webb had some for sale for a reasonable price.
-Rob
I know they can be bought but I was wondering how hard it would be to build one..
Just one? Hmmm...it's be a total pain in the ass, I would imagine, lol.
Unless you had a PCB factory made, it'd be a lot of soldering, and you'd have to get a 72 pin connector and a 60 pin card edge of the right size.
-Rob
nonono you didn't get it right.
I want to play 60pins casettes in my 72 pins nes.
So I need a 60pins connector and a 72 pins card edge
downloader wrote:
nonono you didn't get it right.
I want to play 60pins casettes in my 72 pins nes.
So I need a 60pins connector and a 72 pins card edge
Those, if you're lucky, can be obtained from some Gyromite/Stack-Up cartridges (which actually contained Famicom cartridge PCBs connected to a 60->72 converter complete with a lockout chip).
Buy yourself a Stackup game cartride. Open it up. You'll be pleasently surprised...
(all the US stack-ups had them where Gyromite is about a 1 in 4 from my experience)
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nonono you didn't get it right.
I want to play 60pins casettes in my 72 pins nes.
So I need a 60pins connector and a 72 pins card edge
Oh, right...sorry. THose are about 20 times easier to find than NES-FC.
-Rob
Sorry for bringing this topic back (I didn't even know I posted in it), but it seems 60->72 pin converters (not NES->Fami) are not very common.
Is it possible to mass produce these? Lots of people would want to buy them. Would it be feasible to modify a 72->60 pin converter (which are sold everywhere) to work the other way around?
I got a 72->60-pin converter with my Neo Fami; I'd bet there's someplace you can order them separately.
60->72 pin were very easy to come by until a few years ago, in fact 72->60 were far harder since the there was far less of a market when Famiclones weren't sold in the Americas and Europe (this was to the point where impatient people were spending 3 figures USD on one)
It's true that production has ceased for perhaps 10 years but I think 60->72 still shouldn't be very hard to find if you're willing to pay ~$20-30 for one. Now with Kevtris' CICLONE perhaps it is time to start producing new ones which are top-loader safe.
I the 72-60 I find easier to get from Brazil, as I mentioned above, since they use(d) both formats. The boxes to mine are even in Portuguese. The 60-72s I didn't realize were that hard to find. Weren't the all over ebay a year or two ago? I remember when GameAxe became very common they were everywhere. No case, but pretty common, as I remember it. I've got a bunch that semed to come with multicarts a lot.
-Rob
kyuusaku wrote:
Now with Kevtris' CICLONE perhaps it is time to start producing new ones which are top-loader safe.
As long as you can buy an exact equivalent of the FC's 60-pin female connector and get them made in a decent plastic case, you can produce as many converters as you want and make money with it.
rbudrick wrote:
I the 72-60 I find easier to get from Brazil, as I mentioned above, since they use(d) both formats. The boxes to mine are even in Portuguese. The 60-72s I didn't realize were that hard to find. Weren't the all over ebay a year or two ago? I remember when GameAxe became very common they were everywhere. No case, but pretty common, as I remember it. I've got a bunch that semed to come with multicarts a lot.
-Rob
Do you understand? Wasn't GameAxe for Famicom? Why would a bunch of 60->72s be around for that?
Bregalad wrote:
As long as you can buy an exact equivalent of the FC's 60-pin female connector and get them made in a decent plastic case, you can produce as many converters as you want and make money with it.
That unfortunately is 99% of the battle.
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That unfortunately is 99% of the battle.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I trought, too, but I don't know much about that stuff. It's already a great thing the CIClone was done (and finally it was named like that !).
No, making them is half the battle. Selling them is the other half, as eBay doesn't allow members to list hardware that defeats territorial lockouts on copyrighted works.
Oh, you won't have trouble selling them off Ebay - trust me. About how much would they sell for, though?
Jedi QuestMaster wrote:
Oh, you won't have trouble selling them off Ebay - trust me.
tepples wrote:
eBay doesn't allow members to list hardware that defeats territorial lockouts on copyrighted works.
Jedi QuestMaster wrote:
rbudrick wrote:
I the 72-60 I find easier to get from Brazil, as I mentioned above, since they use(d) both formats. The boxes to mine are even in Portuguese. The 60-72s I didn't realize were that hard to find. Weren't the all over ebay a year or two ago? I remember when GameAxe became very common they were everywhere. No case, but pretty common, as I remember it. I've got a bunch that semed to come with multicarts a lot.
-Rob
Do you understand? Wasn't GameAxe for Famicom? Why would a bunch of 60->72s be around for that?
Oh, right, it was the 72-60s that were common then, duh. Sorry, brainfart.
-Rob
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as eBay doesn't allow members to list hardware that defeats territorial lockouts on copyrighted works.
That is very stupid, since 60-72 pin adapters doesn't defeat copyrighted works at all, they just 'adapt' the game to another connector, and another region lockout just make it to run proprely, since the lockout doesn't even exist on the famicom !
Bregalad wrote:
they just 'adapt' the game to another connector, and another region lockout just make it to run proprely
But that qualifies as you running a game that wasn't designed for your region, which is exactly what eBay is trying to prevent. Stupid? Yes.
Then why would them allow to sell famicoms and famiclones worldwide, but prevent sales of FC->NES adapters ? That's the most stupid thing I've heard about.
And since a lot of games were released only in japan, the only other way to play them it... Emulation !! But since emulation of games you don't own isn't legal, blah, blah, blah, why prevent importing ?
Bregalad wrote:
Then why would them allow to sell famicoms and famiclones worldwide, but prevent sales of FC->NES adapters ? That's the most stupid thing I've heard about.
Yeah, that sure is stupid.
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And since a lot of games were released only in japan, the only other way to play them it...
Yeah, I know. I, for example, like to watch a lot of japanese shows. Does my government care that the DVDs containing such shows are not avaliable for sale here before charging 60% of the value in taxes if I import them? No.
Nobody really cares if you are or aren't able to obtain the things you like, and that's why most people resort to "illegal" means, such as downloading from the internet for free.
Bregalad wrote:
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as eBay doesn't allow members to list hardware that defeats territorial lockouts on copyrighted works.
That is very stupid, since 60-72 pin adapters doesn't defeat copyrighted works at all, they just 'adapt' the game to another connector, and another region lockout just make it to run proprely
That too is legally questionable. Where I live, the relevant statute is
17 USC 602.
Bregalad wrote:
And since a lot of games were released only in japan, the only other way to play them it
The intended use case is to amass billions of dollars to acquire enough of a stake in Nintendo that you can force a localization of the work. It's ridiculous; bug your legislators if you want this changed.
tepples wrote:
No, making them is half the battle. Selling them is the other half, as eBay doesn't allow members to list hardware that defeats territorial lockouts on copyrighted works.
Does this apply to anything containing a lockout defeater (CIClone, Rabbit, etc.), or does it apply only when the defeater is used in a cross-region adapter (as discussed here)? I hope it's the latter.
When did that rule go into effect, and were there any 60->72 pin connectors sold on eBay since? I'm not an eBay member (my brother is the one who does the eBay stuff in our household, and he isn't around right now), so forgive me if these questions sound dumb.
dvdmth wrote:
tepples wrote:
No, making them is half the battle. Selling them is the other half, as eBay doesn't allow members to list hardware that defeats territorial lockouts on copyrighted works.
Does this apply to anything containing a lockout defeater (CIClone, Rabbit, etc.), or does it apply only when the defeater is used in a cross-region adapter (as discussed here)? I hope it's the latter.
eBay has several listings for
Vindicators, a game published by Tengen that used the Rabbit chip. Given this, I'm guessing it's the latter.
eBay people probably don't even know the difference between a CIC and a CIC defeater, if they know what the CIC is at all.
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The intended use case is to amass billions of dollars to acquire enough of a stake in Nintendo that you can force a localization of the work. It's ridiculous; bug your legislators if you want this changed.
This is incredibly ridiculous, and for games released about 20 years ago in japan this is even much more ridiculous.
tokumaru wrote:
Jedi QuestMaster wrote:
Oh, you won't have trouble selling them off Ebay - trust me.
tepples wrote:
eBay doesn't allow members to list hardware that defeats territorial lockouts on copyrighted works.
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you won't have trouble selling them off Ebay
Did you read it wrong?
Anyway, still - I'd like to see these be replicated, but at a cheap price.
Bregalad wrote:
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The intended use case is to amass billions of dollars to acquire enough of a stake in Nintendo that you can force a localization of the work. It's ridiculous; bug your legislators if you want this changed.
This is incredibly ridiculous, and for games released about 20 years ago in japan this is even much more ridiculous.
The boundary is not 20 years; it's 95. See Title 17, United States Code, chapter 3, and foreign counterparts.
And yes I must have read it wrong. Sometimes the word "off" can mean "from" in English.
tepples wrote:
Sometimes the word "off" can mean "from" in English.
I read it like that! Sorry! =)
I think I was talking to Tokumaru.
What would Nintendo say if I tell them : "Hi dear guys. I want to force you to release a game that was only release in Famicom in Japan for now, and that wasn't ported to the western countries. Don't worry, I've speared 5 bilions so I'll help you guy financially to translate and produce the game. Ask if you need more money. The game in question is called Just Breed. I wan't it to be released and commercialised in a commercial NES cartridge in western countires. I'm sure it will be a hit. Greetings."
In the best case, Nintendo's answer would be "We don't produce NES cartidges since august 1994 anyway, so we cannot help. Sorry. Buy it imported online.".
However, there is 99.99999% of chances they wouldn't answer, even if 'I' was Bill Gates.
Bregalad wrote:
I wan't it to be released and my mom in a commercial NES cartridge in western countires."
What is the string that gets replaced by "my mom" again?
tokumaru wrote:
Bregalad wrote:
I wan't it to be released and my mom in a commercial NES cartridge in western countires."
What is the string that gets replaced by "my mom" again?
That would be "commer
my momed".
Bregalad wrote:
We don't produce NES cartidges
Virtual Console.
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Virtual Console.
I'd be sure someone would say this. After all it's been released since 2 monts only and it hasn't made its proof yet.