Originally posted by: Space Jockey



Being honorable.  There is a certain amount of trust that goes with these contests.  Until the scoreboard is set up we wont have a mostly reliable way of telling if someone is cheating or not.  The fact that you even say something like this already leads me to want to watch you scores a little closer.

Originally posted by: Shane

110,500

Here's what I got so far. Hopefully I can move up a few spots by the end of the week.

Originally posted by: Parpunk

661,100
Nice Score Stan, very nice job! I was moving in brutally close to ya and then this happened. I'm sure you can only imagine the frustration here. So............. Um yea, needless to say threw down the controller on the floor, im done for the night lol

(for those that dont know, this death was literally on the very last jump before the very end of snake level (4 of 4 snake stages)  And its the very last jump before you go in to level 7. lmao




 

Originally posted by: pegboy

Just to be clear, I would never cheat in something like this. I'm just wondering how, if at all it would be dealt with. And it sounds like "the honor system" is the answer. If I was even going to try in these types of contests I'd probably record my playthough anyway. If I'm going through the trouble of setting up some kind of speed run or no-death run I'm not going to have it disappear into thin air once I've achieved it.

Originally posted by: Stan

It might not seem it, but this game can be pretty obvious in terms of cheating.  You can expect roughly 100K achieved per level, not including little point collections outside of the normal run.  For example, in the Manus level I pound all the bots, don't use the stick, but if you grabbed the stick you'd hit the snot balls at least a few times while advancing.  But, then you'd get less points for the bots.  So yeah, what am I saying?  Hahahah.  Yeah, it's about 80-100K per level.  I'll have to pay attention to levels like the ice cavern, that's a little different.  Snake Pit, it's what, 5000 points per hole and there's 4 of them total, so that's an exception to the others.

 

Originally posted by: Parpunk

Yea but the problem is your gonna have users racking up 600,000 points just in level 2 from swatting birds and beating out guys like us who can actually advance through the game legit and score. But hitting the birds isnt easy either. Ive gotten much better at it tho in two days and on one run was at the end of level 2 with 530,000 points (best run yet) and screwed up and got out of align with one of the birds and he snapped my line and killed me. Ugh Furious. It was at the end when both "line cutter" birds line up on each side of ya. 

Originally posted by: Stan

Hmmm, true, but that only really works so far and for so long.  One, as you say, you need to be good at it (much easier with the sword), and two, how much could you really get out of it?  It goes what?  500, 750, 1000, 2000, 5000, 1UP right?  If so, that's really only 9,250 per bird, and even a good player will probably only be able to juggle 3 of them for that to even work out, some of the positions you're in make it exceedingly difficult to hold a bird for very long because of obstacles.

 

Originally posted by: Parpunk

you apparently havent watched the video that was posted above. you can rack up almost 800K by the end of level 2 if you get good at hitting the birds. 

Originally posted by: pegboy

I think a better test would just be to see who can get the farthest on a single life, no warps. Forget about points.

Originally posted by: Stan
I think I see what you did there.  Trick with that snake is jump on it.  Wait until you hear it turn the corner above, grab it, go up.  Hear it turn, drop down.  Wait for nearly the end of its tail, grab, go up a bit, drop down to the right.  Hardest one in that level is the fast blue once because of the jumping rhythm between the spike balls, in my opinion.

 

Originally posted by: Parpunk


661,100
Nice Score Stan, very nice job! I was moving in brutally close to ya and then this happened. I'm sure you can only imagine the frustration here. So............. Um yea, needless to say threw down the controller on the floor, im done for the night lol

Couldnt believe it. All that way no deaths. I have in the past overshot this last jump, so this time with the pressure... on i  decided last second (thought about it too much) and tried to under shoot it, and it cost me. Smacked myself in the forehead, and yanked the power cord outta the wall. ughhhhh the frustration

(for those that dont know, this death was literally on the very last jump before the very end of snake level (4 of 4 snake stages)  And its the very last jump before you go in to level 7. lmao

BTW i was so pissed off i forgot to grab my nametag. You can tell its the same TV stand Wall etc tho lol



 

Originally posted by: guillavoie

I think you guys are over-thinking it too much. Bimmy has set rules like this for this time, but it's not the last battletoads contest we're going to do, next time (probably next year) he can definitely put another set of rules about getting further in the game with one-life. There are practical reasons that lead to what Bimmy decided, and it's not that awful. With one life, not much players we'll get any farther in the game anyway. I understand the debate, but it's not like trying to maximize your score with how the game as been made is a problem. SMB points contest comes out to who can rack more points on koopa jumping. Ninja Gaiden last week was about abusing the timer and find sweet spot to rack. Tetris contest comes out to who's the best at doing consistently tetrises. Ice Hockey conteste was about scoring as much goals as you can to the computer in one game, but it doesn't mean the guy who scored most goals is the best Ice hockey player vs a human. Every game is designed differently, and setting rules is always contradictory at some point. The one thing that is sure, the rules are the same for everyone, and THIS is as fair as you can get.

Also, the rules, if I read them correctly, state that the player who maxed out the score earliest in the game (not in the week) take precedence.

For myself, I'm ready to play any set of rules for any games, and what I do when I play in a contest is adjusting my play according to the rules. Maxinng out score earlier? I'm going to kick birds as hell. Getting furthest in the game? Fuck birds, and fuck calculating how much points I can squeeze out of any enemies, I'm just flying through the game as fast as I can.

Originally posted by: guillavoie

I think you guys are over-thinking it too much. Bimmy has set rules like this for this time, but it's not the last battletoads contest we're going to do, next time (probably next year) he can definitely put another set of rules about getting further in the game with one-life. There are practical reasons that lead to what Bimmy decided, and it's not that awful. With one life, not much players we'll get any farther in the game anyway. I understand the debate, but it's not like trying to maximize your score with how the game as been made is a problem. SMB points contest comes out to who can rack more points on koopa jumping. Ninja Gaiden last week was about abusing the timer and find sweet spot to rack. Tetris contest comes out to who's the best at doing consistently tetrises. Ice Hockey contest was about scoring as much goals as you can vs the computer in one game, but it doesn't mean the guy who scored most goals is the best Ice hockey player vs humans. Every game is designed differently, and setting rules is always contradictory at some point. The one thing that is sure, the rules are the same for everyone, and THIS is as fair as you can get.

Also, the rules, if I read them correctly, state that the player who maxed out the score earliest in the game (not in the week) take precedence.

For myself, I'm ready to play any set of rules for any games, and what I do when I play in a contest is adjusting my play according to the rules. Maxing out score earlier? I'm going to kick birds as hell. Getting furthest in the game? Fuck birds, and fuck calculating how much points I can squeeze out of any enemies, I'm just flying through the game as fast as I can.

Originally posted by: guillavoie

I think you guys are over-thinking it too much. Bimmy has set rules like this for this time, but it's not the last battletoads contest we're going to do, next time (probably next year) he can definitely put another set of rules about getting further in the game with one-life. There are practical reasons that lead to what Bimmy decided, and it's not that awful. With one life, not much players we'll get any farther in the game anyway. I understand the debate, but it's not like trying to maximize your score with how the game as been made is a problem. SMB points contest comes out to who can rack more points on koopa jumping. Ninja Gaiden last week was about abusing the timer and find sweet spot to rack. Tetris contest comes out to who's the best at doing consistently tetrises. Ice Hockey contest was about scoring as much goals as you can vs the computer in one game, but it doesn't mean the guy who scored most goals is the best Ice hockey player vs humans. Every game is designed differently, and setting rules is always contradictory at some point. The one thing that is sure, the rules are the same for everyone, and THIS is as fair as you can get.

Also, the rules, if I read them correctly, state that the player who maxed out the score earliest in the game (not in the week) take precedence.

For myself, I'm ready to play any set of rules for any games, and what I do when I play in a contest is adjusting my play according to the rules. Maxing out score earlier? I'm going to kick birds as hell. Getting furthest in the game? Fuck birds, and fuck calculating how much points I can squeeze out of any enemies, I'm just flying through the game as fast as I can.