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SNES Contest: April - Super Metroid + Axelay Current Leaders - MrPeaPod + Gloves

Apr 20, 2018 at 3:58:11 PM
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Honestly not a lot. The biggest time save to make is better movement and grabbing as few items as possible. Skipping spore spawn and grabbing the early supers would really only save the time it takes to fight spore spawn because you still need to either run through the early super room or through the rooms leading too and from spore spawn. I guess it'll also save the time it would take to farm up extra ammo to get through any pink doors.

The biggest "pro" time save would be skipping grapple beam. That would eliminate the crocomire fight, getting too and from crocomire and all the rooms leading too and from grapple beam.

The world record for any% and 100% are only separated by about 35 minutes so it's not much time to be saved.

Playing the whole game without grapple beam is the first place to start if you want to learn to speed run it

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Apr 20, 2018 at 3:59:12 PM
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Skipping grapple beam does make the draygon fight harder because you can't just cheese it then

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Edited: 04/20/2018 at 04:00 PM by MrPeaPod

Apr 20, 2018 at 4:31:24 PM
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Originally posted by: MrPeaPod

Skipping grapple beam does make the draygon fight harder because you can't just cheese it then

Didn't realize beating him the intended/designed way was "cheesing it"    



And that is interesting to know how narrow the difference is between any% and 100%.
Would have thought it was a much larger gap.

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Edited: 04/20/2018 at 04:31 PM by arch_8ngel

Apr 22, 2018 at 12:26:53 AM
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Haha, so I just fired up Super Metroid and all of my save data got erased for some reason. 😩

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Apr 22, 2018 at 12:43:54 AM
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I'm pretty sure I need the grapple beam to progress but I have no clue where it is lol.

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Apr 22, 2018 at 1:39:46 AM
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Originally posted by: Gloves

I'm pretty sure I need the grapple beam to progress but I have no clue where it is lol.


Have you got the speed booster yet?

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Apr 22, 2018 at 10:06:41 AM
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Originally posted by: MrPeaPod

Originally posted by: Gloves

I'm pretty sure I need the grapple beam to progress but I have no clue where it is lol.


Have you got the speed booster yet?





Yeah.

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Apr 22, 2018 at 10:19:44 AM
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Originally posted by: Gloves

Originally posted by: MrPeaPod

Originally posted by: Gloves

I'm pretty sure I need the grapple beam to progress but I have no clue where it is lol.


Have you got the speed booster yet?





Yeah.



Then how about the ice beam and power bombs?

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Apr 22, 2018 at 10:33:08 AM
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Originally posted by: MrPeaPod
 
Originally posted by: Gloves
 
Originally posted by: MrPeaPod
 
Originally posted by: Gloves

I'm pretty sure I need the grapple beam to progress but I have no clue where it is lol.


Have you got the speed booster yet?



Yeah.



Then how about the ice beam and power bombs?

Ice yes, bomb no?
 

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Apr 22, 2018 at 10:35:20 AM
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Originally posted by: MrPeaPod

Originally posted by: Gloves

Originally posted by: MrPeaPod

Originally posted by: Gloves

I'm pretty sure I need the grapple beam to progress but I have no clue where it is lol.


Have you got the speed booster yet?





Yeah.



Then how about the ice beam and power bombs?



Once you have power bombs, run back along the corridor towards the ice beam. Use a power bomb on the floor that you slightly fall through. Follow along the path that takes you on. Eventually you will find a green door on the floor. Go through there and you'll find yourself at the next mini boss and soon the grapple beam

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Apr 22, 2018 at 11:33:20 PM
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Here is list, in order, of the upgrades in super metroid that the game intends for you to pick up.

Morph Ball
Missles
Bombs
Bomb Torizo
Spore Spawn
Super Missles
Charge Beam
High Jump Boots
Spazer Beam
Kraid
Varia Suit
Speed Booster
Ice Beam
Power Bombs
Crocomire
Grapple Beam
Wave Beam
X-Ray Scope
Phantoon
Gravity Suit
Botwoon
Draygoon
Space Jump
Springball
Plasma Beam
Golden Torizo
Screw Attack
Ridley
Mother Brain


This list could also be used when deciding who is further in the game. It's possible to kill the bosses and pickup almost all the items in any order you'd like but my list is the most practical and the order of sequence I believe the game developers had intended.


 

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Apr 28, 2018 at 2:27:13 PM
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I've not had as much time as I'd have liked so far to play either game, and I wasn't really enjoying Super Metroid, so I played some Axelay today. 

Got to stage 4 on Hard. Didn't get my camera out in time so had to start a new game to show my score, I hope that's ok. I'll try to play more if I can find the time tonight or tomorrow.

Score: 222,520


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Apr 29, 2018 at 9:49:46 PM
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Score posted for Super Metroid. Game completed. Edited post on first page with score.

Apr 30, 2018 at 7:07:39 AM
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Leaderboard updated with the current standings.

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Apr 30, 2018 at 8:42:42 PM
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Had 2 certification tests this month. Posting some scores for the heck of it. Beat Super Metroid last year. Didnt have time this year. Axelay I havent figured out. The different missile switching and getting surrounded is kinda lame to me. Dont like this shooter very much. Maybe its just because it was on hard mode. Games a bitch.

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Apr 30, 2018 at 11:51:34 PM
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Scores posted on first page. Didn't start playing Super Metroid until the other day (waited until the days couple days like usual   ) and could have beaten it if I had started on it earlier. Axelay is not my favorite shooter, but I gave it a few tries. Did better than I thought I would.

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May 1, 2018 at 12:06:59 AM
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Ah sonnuva! I didn't realize the time; too busy working!

Here's my progress on Metroid... a few minutes late I know; if it doesn't count it doesn't count. I got this far halfway through the month and just never found time to play/get into it.

Progress: Beat Kraid

 

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May 1, 2018 at 9:37:23 AM
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I will update the leaderboard with the new scores and also update the main leaderboard later today.

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May 2, 2018 at 7:22:19 PM
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Great time MPP, but to play devils advocate, how are those not exploits?.. Mainly the skips a kraid quick kill.

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May 2, 2018 at 8:27:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil

Great time MPP, but to play devils advocate, how are those not exploits?.. Mainly the skips a kraid quick kill.

You bring up a good question. I based my run on deertiers Any%. Which uses no major glitches. There are defenitely some exploitive stuff in my run. I'm inclined to run it this way and didn't think about adjusting my run for this competition. My bad I guess

First the mockball I use to get to early super missles has been debated if it is a glitch or a game intended mechanic. I'm more into the boat of game intended mechanic but even if it wasn't allowed and instead I killed Spore Spawn to grab it's super missles that would add maybe 1 to 2 minutes of in game time to my total.

I don't believe the Kraid Quick Kill is a glitch. Kraid has 1000 HP and if you can jam missles down his throat fast enough then you can kill him before he stands up.

Getting blue suit after killing Draygoon would be a glitch. Using a shine spark to return through the room before Draygoon only saves about 15 to 30 seconds and isn't a huge time save.

The zebetite skip would be the biggest time save glitch I used. Without the glitch I'd need additional ammo to kill the zebetites then run back to the refill room before taking on mother brain. I normally go into the fight with 20 missles and 10 super missles. If I didn't do the skip I'd go in with 40 missles and 10 supers meaning I'd have to grab 5 more packs of missles. I'd grab the moat missles and speed booster missles which are both free and don't add any in game time. I'd also grab the green brinstar missles in the early supers room. That would add ~10 seconds of in game time. I would also grab the green hill's tube missles. That would add ~5 seconds of in game time. Lastly I would grab the Draygoon missles adding another 10 seconds at most.

The most time lost would be going back to the refill room before mother brain the one time which would add maybe 1 to 2 minutes.

Without doing any of the "glitches" in my run instead of getting a 00:32 I'd be around 00:37 - 00:40 generously. 

I guess I should have adjusted my routing but I just didn't think about it at the time. It's fun to think of how I would have changed things up though. If anyone has an issue with my score counting I'm fine with it being removed. I didn't mean to provide a false score and want to play by the rules. It was habit more than anything.

Thanks for bringing up the question Andy


 

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May 2, 2018 at 9:49:40 PM
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I lied. I wouldn't go back for the mother brain refill. There are plenty of quick missle packs to grab instead of refilling. A refill might save real time but picking up extra missles would save in game time

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May 2, 2018 at 9:58:15 PM
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You clearly are the Super Metroid winner, and had the best time with several submissions

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May 3, 2018 at 11:18:34 AM
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Yeah, I just stirring the pot for no real reason   I just remember when I played last year I avoided doing pretty much all those 'tricks' as I considered them exploits (mach ball, KQK, blue suit, and even the short chrage as you are somewhat abusing frame rules). Anyway, it's all good and obvisouly, as Brock said, you are the clear winner and that's a really impressive time regardless.

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May 3, 2018 at 12:50:53 PM
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I'd like to see the time you could get with utilizing all the tricks

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May 3, 2018 at 12:53:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil

Yeah, I just stirring the pot for no real reason   I just remember when I played last year I avoided doing pretty much all those 'tricks' as I considered them exploits (mach ball, KQK, blue suit, and even the short chrage as you are somewhat abusing frame rules). Anyway, it's all good and obvisouly, as Brock said, you are the clear winner and that's a really impressive time regardless.
Curious how you would consider the Kraid Quick Kill to be an exploit of any flavor?

It is just shooting him in the face really fast at the very beginning of the fight.

 

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