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The story of how I obtained NWC Gold!

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Nov 22, 2014 at 7:54:00 PM
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^ good point...If VGA approves it without disclosure on the VGA grade label then that'd be a HUGE hit on their credibility.

Nov 22, 2014 at 7:56:38 PM
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Right...I'm gonna send a "fake" label to VGA. Of course it's off. I plan to put it on the outside of the VGA case. πŸ˜‰

Nov 22, 2014 at 8:08:35 PM
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Originally posted by: JosephLeo

Glue residue. Compare it with other copies....that cart did have it, so unless he removed it you can go by that too.

Also, you can probably use a microscope to check the cut on the cart as well.

Obviously there needs to be an established database of them though.


That's what I was thinking too. The deformation of the areal cut on a material can be distinguished by the type of cut that  was used. So by using a microscope one should be able to observe the deformation in the microstructure and by comparing it to a legit NWC you can tell whether the deformations are identical or not.

If the cut has a different microstructure, then a different method was used to cut it and thus it'd be fake.

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Nov 22, 2014 at 8:26:29 PM
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Originally posted by: langenfeld

Right...I'm gonna send a "fake" label to VGA. Of course it's off. I plan to put it on the outside of the VGA case. πŸ˜‰

As long as you don't mount it with the cart dissected and the EPROMs exposed like a certain individual did, it'll be okay...


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Nov 23, 2014 at 3:35:24 AM
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Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Originally posted by: langenfeld

Right...I'm gonna send a "fake" label to VGA. Of course it's off. I plan to put it on the outside of the VGA case. πŸ˜‰

As long as you don't mount it with the cart dissected and the EPROMs exposed like a certain individual did, it'll be okay...
 
Hahaha, yeah.  Why is it that those that have the money to buy NWC Gold carts also act like asses?



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Nov 23, 2014 at 5:34:31 AM
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Originally posted by: tracker465

Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Originally posted by: langenfeld

Right...I'm gonna send a "fake" label to VGA. Of course it's off. I plan to put it on the outside of the VGA case. πŸ˜‰

As long as you don't mount it with the cart dissected and the EPROMs exposed like a certain individual did, it'll be okay...
 
Hahaha, yeah.  Why is it that those that have the money to buy NWC Gold carts also act like asses?

 
I often wonder this myself

This thread is both entertaining and informative.


Edited: 11/23/2014 at 05:34 AM by NostalgicMachine

Nov 23, 2014 at 8:09:53 AM
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So the next game to play now, is the waiting game.

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Nov 23, 2014 at 9:15:34 AM
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What an awesome use of an hour! This thread is fascinating!

@Langenfeld - Amazing collection! I was very impressed with your photos. I know how hard it is to track down some of that stuff and your dedication and commitment to retro gaming shows.

It's a shame that guys like Nick (never heard of him before this thread) exist. They are true narcissists and criminals. They not only take from others but harm the community as a whole. I knew about the section Z map scam but I didn't know who the person was that perpetrated it, now I do.

Congrats on the gold. If it's legitimate, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Best way of proving that is to just get it graded by VGA. So far, no one has proven their grades to be false :-)

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Nov 23, 2014 at 1:14:38 PM
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Originally posted by: gwyndion

It's a shame that guys like Nick (never heard of him before this thread) exist. They are true narcissists and criminals. They not only take from others but harm the community as a whole. I knew about the section Z map scam but I didn't know who the person was that perpetrated it, now I do.

With all due respect to this community, I can assure you all that the version of events being told about me in this thread are all either A) completely false, B) based on mis-information, or C) exaggerated versions of the truth. Furthermore, I was not ever given a chance to defend myself in this community against the attacks on my reputation. That alone suggets an extremely 1-sided version of the story is the only version being told. The truth is much more boring than what you guys make it out to be. What happened to me is character defamation - not only morally wrong but also illegal. The truth is I was banned because A) my extremely poor attitude I had in 2009, B) a personal conflict (pissing battle) I had with Dain.

I can assure everybody that I am an extremely passionate collector that always will go WAYYYY out of his way to help fellow collectors, as I CLEARLY have done in this case. I could have easily kept this NWC Gold for a short period of time and sold it for $25k. I basically helped Mike Langenfeld get the holy grail of video game collecting, because he has constantly helped me out with deals over the years, he is a friend, and it brings me joy to see him have it and love it. I have had thousands of transactions with fellow collectors over the years. I also have over 100 transactions on this website, all of them positive, and I was one of the first 100 members here and worked very hard in the early years to help NA grow. To be completely honest, it hurts my self-esteem greatly that I seem to have been ostracized from this community, especially when I have nothing but value to offer to every single collector I deal with. However, what hurts me even more is the lies that have originated here seem to have gotten out into other communities. I just recently have been banned from 3 Facebook groups dedicated to video game collecting that I regularly trade & chat in, without warning, because of the lies about me which have originated on this website.

Video game collecting is very much a part of who I am, it is a hobby I am extremely passionate about and that I absolutely love. My collection may be worth $X, but it's worth over a billion dollars in fun, sitting right in my living room. Amazing! I'm not getting out of this hobby, so the attempts to make me turn away from it have failed. Actually, 2014 has been my most active year thus far.

To this community - I wish you guys would realize that I'm not the evil person that some people here say I am. I would greatly appreciate an opportunity to share my side of the story on this website. The consequence of not doing so is A) it suggests you have something to hide, B) added paranoia and lack of trust in threads like these.

Mike Langenfeld - So much love for you bro. So happy I could help you get THE N. W. C. GOLD. It's truly in the home now of one of the most dedicated and impressive collections in the world. Your entire collection is absolutely mesmorizing, gives inspiration, and the shelves look great. Also, just so the public knows, the pics Mike posted is only a fraction of his full collection. Truly one of the best in the world here. Thanks so much for the plug and your positive words as well.

Love,
Nick


Edited: 11/23/2014 at 01:21 PM by humbled

Nov 23, 2014 at 1:17:09 PM
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Originally posted by: humbled

With all due respect to this community, I can assure you all that the version of events being told about me in this thread are all either A) completely false, B) based on mis-information, or C) exaggerated versions of the truth. Furthermore, I was not ever given a chance to defend myself in this community against the attacks on my reputation. That alone suggets an extremely 1-sided version of the story is the only version being told. The truth is much more boring than what you guys make it out to be. What happened to me is character defamation - not only morally wrong but also illegal. The truth is I was banned because A) my extremely poor attitude I had in 2009, B) a personal conflict (pissing battle) I had with Dain.

I can assure everybody that I am an extremely passionate collector that always will go WAYYYY out of his way to help fellow collectors, as I CLEARLY have done in this case. I could have easily kept this NWC Gold for a short period of time and sold it for $25k. I basically helped Mike Langenfeld get the holy grail of video game collecting, because he has constantly helped me out with deals over the years, he is a friend, and it brings me joy to see him have it and love it. I have had thousands of transactions with fellow collectors over the years. I also have over 100 transactions on this website, all of them positive, and I was one of the first 100 members here and worked very hard in the early years to help NA grow. To be completely honest, it hurts my self-esteem greatly that I seem to have been ostracized from this community, especially when I have nothing but value to offer to every single collector I deal with. However, what hurts me even more is the lies that have originated here seem to have gotten out into other communities. I just recently have been banned from 3 Facebook groups dedicated to video game collecting that I regularly trade & chat in, without warning, because of the lies about me which have originated on this website.

Video game collecting is very much a part of who I am, it is a hobby I am extremely passionate about and that I absolutely love. My collection may be worth $X, but it's worth over a billion dollars in fun, sitting right in my living room. Amazing! I'm not getting out of this hobby, so the attempts to make me turn away from it have failed. Actually, 2014 has been my most active year thus far.

To this community - I wish you guys would realize that I'm not the evil person that some people here say I am. I would greatly appreciate an opportunity to share my side of the story on this website. The consequence of not doing so is A) it suggests you have something to hide, B) added paranoia and lack of trust in threads like these.

Mike Langenfeld - So much love for you bro. So happy I could help you get THE N. W. C. GOLD. It's truly in the home now of one of the most dedicated and impressive collections in the world. Your entire collection is absolutely mesmorizing, gives inspiration, and the shelves look great. Also, just so the public knows, the pics Mike posted is only a fraction of his full collection. Truly one of the best in the world here. Thanks fo much for the plug and your positive words as well.

Love,
Nick

Nicely put, Congrats on the find, hope you get to tell your side of things in a constructive way, I'd be very interested in them myself.


Nov 23, 2014 at 1:36:45 PM
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Nick,

I hope you get cancer and die in a fire.

Love,
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Nov 23, 2014 at 1:59:13 PM
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Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

Nick,

I hope you get cancer and die in a fire.

Love,
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I never understood why you and your brother seem to hate me personally. I'm really sorry you feel this way. This sort of personal attack is not constructive and does not make you look good. I have no personal ill will for you or anybody and am trying my hardest to get this conflict resolved in an amicable way.
On a personal note, I have mad respect for you and your brother for all the hard work you have done over the years in getting prototypes dumped for everybody to enjoy. I've used a few of your dumps myself - thanks.

Nov 23, 2014 at 2:05:30 PM
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I'm no saint. I'm opinionated and abrasive, and I get that. I dump and release prototypes, but I also make plenty of money off of them. I'm not looking be held in high regard, just interested in win-win with the community and my bank account.

You though? You're a fucking thief. You've stolen from people, were forgiven, and stole again.

My mother was an orphan before she was a teenager. She didn't have two cents to rub together or a pot to piss in. She bounced around different orphanages and essentially never opened a Christmas present. With all that said, she would never steal from another person. That's the difference between a good person and a piece of shit like you.

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Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

You're a thief.

No, I'm not.

Nov 23, 2014 at 2:12:43 PM
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Originally posted by: humbled

Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

You're a thief.

No, I'm not.

We know that you made reseals of NES games and sold them as original.

http://forum.digitpress.com/forum...

What exactly are you saying is untrue that people have said about your past? Are you saying you didn't make Section Z copies and pass them as originals? 

Nov 23, 2014 at 2:19:32 PM
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epic thread - most of us older collectors have either been affected by Nick in one way or another ... but I think mainly this was about how Langenfeld finally obtained a nice piece for his collection ... has langenfeld been dishonest or cheat us? i'd vote no ... so let's keep it on that ... langenfeld your collection looks pretty good bud

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Nov 23, 2014 at 2:22:37 PM
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Originally posted by: buyatari2

Originally posted by: humbled

Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

You're a thief.

No, I'm not.

Are you saying you didn't make Section Z copies and pass them as originals? 

I made Section-Z map copies for 2 collectors that specifically asked me for them, as a favor. One of them was Uncletusk who gave it to Dain, and told everybody I was making fakes and selling them, which couldn't be further from the truth. I never sold a single one, my intention was to help fellow collectors, and I gladly would have told anybody this, if only they had asked.
Now people are afraid of getting fake Section-Z maps, but I'm not to blame for this. The real reason to blame is the mis-information.
I've since changed my stance on the whole "fake vs reproduction" argument, to avoid potential conflicts like this in the future.

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Originally posted by: humbled

Originally posted by: buyatari2

Originally posted by: humbled

Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

You're a thief.

No, I'm not.

Are you saying you didn't make Section Z copies and pass them as originals? 

I made Section-Z map copies for 2 collectors that specifically asked me for them, as a favor. One of them was Uncletusk who gave it to Dain, and told everybody I was making fakes and selling them, which couldn't be further from the truth. I never sold a single one, my intention was to help fellow collectors, and I gladly would have told anybody this, if only they had asked.
Now people are afraid of getting fake Section-Z maps, but I'm not to blame for this. The real reason to blame is the mis-information.
I've since changed my stance on the whole "fake vs reproduction" argument, to avoid potential conflicts like this in the future.

You skipped the part about the resealing dickhead.

You also sold MRN a fake Caltron questionnaire. 


Nov 23, 2014 at 2:43:53 PM
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Originally posted by: antofarabia

epic thread - most of us older collectors have either been affected by Nick in one way or another ... but I think mainly this was about how Langenfeld finally obtained a nice piece for his collection ... has langenfeld been dishonest or cheat us? i'd vote no ... so let's keep it on that ... langenfeld your collection looks pretty good bud. 

This hasn't turned anti-Langenfield at least not in my eyes. If anything Langenfield has the most to gain should proof of wrongdoing be uncovered but this is so much bigger than Langenfield and his personal collection.The potential of a fake gold NWC entering the pool of NWCs is bigger than passing around high fives for a nice collection. We can't just sweep the whole issue under the rug because a well known established collector may have found himself in the middle of a monster scam. 

Nov 23, 2014 at 2:56:29 PM
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Originally posted by: buyatari2

Originally posted by: antofarabia

epic thread - most of us older collectors have either been affected by Nick in one way or another ... but I think mainly this was about how Langenfeld finally obtained a nice piece for his collection ... has langenfeld been dishonest or cheat us? i'd vote no ... so let's keep it on that ... langenfeld your collection looks pretty good bud. 

This hasn't turned anti-Langenfield at least not in my eyes. If anything Langenfield has the most to gain should proof of wrongdoing be uncovered but this is so much bigger than Langenfield and his personal collection.The potential of a fake gold NWC entering the pool of NWCs is bigger than passing around high fives for a nice collection. We can't just sweep the whole issue under the rug because a well known established collector may have found himself in the middle of a monster scam. 
I've been around longer than you ... trust me I know the issues at hand and I know of his past dealings (i've personally been affected even) ... i just think that everything needed to be said has already been said



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Nov 23, 2014 at 2:59:18 PM
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Originally posted by: buyatari2

Originally posted by: antofarabia

epic thread - most of us older collectors have either been affected by Nick in one way or another ... but I think mainly this was about how Langenfeld finally obtained a nice piece for his collection ... has langenfeld been dishonest or cheat us? i'd vote no ... so let's keep it on that ... langenfeld your collection looks pretty good bud. 

This hasn't turned anti-Langenfield at least not in my eyes. If anything Langenfield has the most to gain should proof of wrongdoing be uncovered but this is so much bigger than Langenfield and his personal collection.The potential of a fake gold NWC entering the pool of NWCs is bigger than passing around high fives for a nice collection. We can't just sweep the whole issue under the rug because a well known established collector may have found himself in the middle of a monster scam. 
I agree that it is important to discuss these matters, and to discuss them openly.  There may even be some gold NWC fakes floating around out there, you never know.  The problem is, when someone with a questionable background is involved with the item in question, it makes the whole item become somewhat suspect.

Whether Nick deserves all of the hate he receives, I am not so sure on that, but that is the price paid when scamming so many people out of thousands of dollars for fake sealed games and stuff like that.  



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Nov 23, 2014 at 3:03:57 PM
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Originally posted by: buyatari2

The potential of a fake gold NWC entering the pool of NWCs is bigger than passing around high fives for a nice collection. We can't just sweep the whole issue under the rug because a well known established collector may have found himself in the middle of a monster scam. 

Yes, I agree. It is important for the hobby of game collecting. Some things I might add are - although I am keeping a list of NWC Golds, I have only been able to trace a few of them back to their original owner (like 6). There are many additional copies known, and only DreamTR knows which copies came from where and he wont share that information with anybody (and for good reason). I would have had to have taken a shot in the dark at Claremont NH. Not impossible, but this would have left a lot up to chance. I'd also like to add that any ideas that it's fake in this thread is pure speculation - but still important to be skeptical. Also - both Langenfeld and I have both had extensive conversations on the phone with Thom. It would also be difficult for me to somehow get another person be involved. Plus I would never EVER destroy a gray - no matter what condition it is in. I would covet that thing and worship it as a piece of history. Grays are worth close to 17k know anyway. More like $10-12k in good condition. I could have sold this Gold for $25k. Plus I would never do such a thing to Langenfeld.


Edited: 11/23/2014 at 03:06 PM by humbled

Nov 23, 2014 at 3:16:31 PM
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Originally posted by: antofarabia

Originally posted by: buyatari2

Originally posted by: antofarabia

epic thread - most of us older collectors have either been affected by Nick in one way or another ... but I think mainly this was about how Langenfeld finally obtained a nice piece for his collection ... has langenfeld been dishonest or cheat us? i'd vote no ... so let's keep it on that ... langenfeld your collection looks pretty good bud. 

This hasn't turned anti-Langenfield at least not in my eyes. If anything Langenfield has the most to gain should proof of wrongdoing be uncovered but this is so much bigger than Langenfield and his personal collection.The potential of a fake gold NWC entering the pool of NWCs is bigger than passing around high fives for a nice collection. We can't just sweep the whole issue under the rug because a well known established collector may have found himself in the middle of a monster scam. 
I've been around longer than you ... trust me I know the issues at hand and I know of his past dealings (i've personally been affected even) ... i just think that everything needed to be said has already been said

 

You've been around longer than me? Not sure if that is true or what that is even supposed to mean. I've been collecting since the mid 1990s. Did something happen before then that has any bearing on this? When Nick was 1st making reseals and selling the on eBay I was one of the most vocal in providing links to help other collectors. After doing this Nick used multiple accounts to screw with my ebay accounts. 

But this isn't even just about Nick the issue is not resolved. Is this a fake NWC or not? Real or fake, finding out the truth is in the best interest of Langenfield AND every NES collector. Now if you think we should split this topic into a new thread then I wouldn't have any objection to that but to end this conversation just isn't going to happen at this point. It is too important. Even Nick doesn't want the conversation ended. 



Nov 23, 2014 at 3:26:47 PM
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Originally posted by: humbled

Originally posted by: buyatari2

The potential of a fake gold NWC entering the pool of NWCs is bigger than passing around high fives for a nice collection. We can't just sweep the whole issue under the rug because a well known established collector may have found himself in the middle of a monster scam. 

Yes, I agree. It is important for the hobby of game collecting. Some things I might add are - although I am keeping a list of NWC Golds, I have only been able to trace a few of them back to their original owner (like 6). There are many additional copies known, and only DreamTR knows which copies came from where and he wont share that information with anybody (and for good reason). I would have had to have taken a shot in the dark at Claremont NH. Not impossible, but this would have left a lot up to chance. I'd also like to add that any ideas that it's fake in this thread is pure speculation - but still important to be skeptical. Also - both Langenfeld and I have both had extensive conversations on the phone with Thom. It would also be difficult for me to somehow get another person be involved. Plus I would never EVER destroy a gray - no matter what condition it is in. I would covet that thing and worship it as a piece of history. Grays are worth close to 17k know anyway. More like $10-12k in good condition. I could have sold this Gold for $25k. Plus I would never do such a thing to Langenfeld.

Couple points. 

1. There is more information than that available. 
2. Pulling out a grey NWC board and putting it into a Zelda case would only destroy the common Zelda case. The grey NWC can be quickly restored if the experiment fails.
3. A grey NWC with a destroyed label recently sold for 5k 



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buyatari2, I was just going off Joined date on this forum ... but I think we can both agree that we are often collectors long before we ever join a forum (this one included)... and yes there are lots of issues at stake ... in ANY hobby, the more valuable an item becomes ... the greater the temptation for people to make fake ones and pass them off as legit... take a look at fake F2s, and samsons ... those fakes were not around 10 years ago because the money wasn't there to make it "worth it"

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