Skip navigation
NintendoAge
Welcome, Guest! Please Login or Join
Loading...

Lack of diversity in modern consoles

Apr 8, 2013 at 12:24:58 PM
Zing (23)
avatar
(Daniel Corban) < Ridley Wrangler >
Posts: 2727 - Joined: 01/22/2011
Ontario
Profile
I am reading through Super Play magazines lately. It was a British magazine devoted to the Super NES. One thing I found odd is that the magazine didn't discriminate in regard to advertisers. I often open the first page to see a Jaguar or 3DO advertisement. Anyway, these ads reminded me of how much diversity there was in console gaming during that period.

In a single page of this magazine, I see ads advertising the following consoles:
PlayStation
Saturn
3DO
Atari Jaguar
Laser active
Nintendo 64
Sega CD
Neo GEO
CD-I

All of these systems were on store shelves at roughly the same time. There were some cross-platform games, but a large amount of each system's library were exclusive. It's mind-boggling to consider this now compared to the current state of the industry. We now have basically two platforms: Wii and PS3/360. Hell, the latter systems are so similar that gamers even shorthand it as "PS360". Exclusives on the PS3 and 360 are strictly economic or political in nature. There is little difference in the hardware capabilities, and a game made on one system could easily be made full-featured on the other.

Think about the huge disparity in graphical and audio performance and styles of the older systems in the list above. There was a game system designed for a variety of tastes. We had: cartridge versus disc, wavetable MIDI versus FM synth, speed versus graphical quality, digitized sprites and FMV versus 3D polygons and real-time rendering. The variety is astonishing. Compare this to the homogenized environment we currently have.

-------------------------
Selling half my NES/SNES/PS1 collection (ending Dec 1):
http://tinyurl.com/zingebay...


Edited: 04/08/2013 at 12:25 PM by Zing

Apr 8, 2013 at 12:29:25 PM
Nostalgizoid! (25)
avatar
< Meka Chicken >
Posts: 903 - Joined: 09/04/2008
United States
Profile
You can thank the ever expansive cost of creating AAA games for the decline in First Party Development and the lack of exclusivity. Blockbusters just cost too much and take too many people to not release it on every platform possible. Also, modern consoles are basically PCs that you hook directly to your TV, so I doubt we'll ever see drastically different systems competing with each-other again.

Apr 8, 2013 at 12:34:49 PM
MrClutch (161)
avatar
(Ron W) < King Solomon >
Posts: 4998 - Joined: 02/05/2010
Minnesota
Profile
I think we've kind of hit a plateau. Back in they day, it was all about graphics and sound. 8-bit, 16-bit, etc...

Now, with firmware/software updates on the fly, online only games, etc...the console life cycle has almost doubled. All the big players pushed through and the failures were left in the dust. It takes big money to back a console these days.

-------------------------
Let me remove the eggplant curse.

Apr 8, 2013 at 1:58:17 PM
Chux (12)
avatar
(Chuck Forrester) < Eggplant Wizard >
Posts: 470 - Joined: 05/21/2012
Maryland
Profile
I think the 16-bit days were the glory days (for me), there were more games that weren't on every system than in future generations. You really did have to have all of the systems to play all of the great games. This gen I had all 3, but I only ended up with 1st party games on the Wii, everything else on the 360 and a handful of games on the PS3, which mainly was my blu-ray player.

I feel like next gen is going to be more of the same, with the Wii U being my 1st party player(if I ever get one), and the PS4/PC(I already have an incredible set up) being my gaming rig.

-------------------------
Current Wants

Apr 8, 2013 at 2:02:22 PM
Kuro (1)
avatar
(Mike ) < Crack Trooper >
Posts: 188 - Joined: 03/01/2013
Nebraska
Profile
well, IMO its WIIPS360, no matter what you want to say. and this is because companies want money, and there is no money in being exclusive. You make more buy putting your game on everything, which basically turns the console war into controller preference.

-------------------------
 
http://divinehellspawn.wordpress.... - My blog, containing my finds and other gaming related things.
Collecting Copies of ET for Atari 2600. current count: Cart Only - 9, CIB - 1

Apr 8, 2013 at 2:39:00 PM
Chux (12)
avatar
(Chuck Forrester) < Eggplant Wizard >
Posts: 470 - Joined: 05/21/2012
Maryland
Profile
Sure, but then you have the holdouts, your Marios, Gears, and for me it was MGS4.

-------------------------
Current Wants

Apr 8, 2013 at 2:56:15 PM
Kuro (1)
avatar
(Mike ) < Crack Trooper >
Posts: 188 - Joined: 03/01/2013
Nebraska
Profile
5 years ago that was fine.
but look now, Mario is nothing but a sell out with hundreds of games. Halo/Gears are down to Spin-offs with the main series done. MGS has resorted to becoming the standard lame action game with the new Raiden one.
5 years ago was fine, that was a way to get you to buy their console over another one. but now, all these exclusives are tired and done to death.
I guarantee with halo done Xbox is done, especially when they try to be 'always online'.
As Gamers we don't need more of the tired old same for $50-$60 a pop. we need new and fresh and exciting. This new gen here wont come down to Mario/Halo/Metal Gear. Nintendo is here first, with a head start, we'll be getting games when the others are just on launch line-ups. PS4 will be everyone's second console for the mature games. and Xbox will be dead on arrival having already shot themselves in the foot.
These 'holdouts' will make no difference to anything imo.

-------------------------
 
http://divinehellspawn.wordpress.... - My blog, containing my finds and other gaming related things.
Collecting Copies of ET for Atari 2600. current count: Cart Only - 9, CIB - 1

Apr 8, 2013 at 3:14:22 PM
pegboy (44)
avatar
< Bowser >
Posts: 5904 - Joined: 07/18/2012
Washington
Profile
Modern gaming sucks, end of story.

Apr 8, 2013 at 3:40:59 PM
Guntz (115)
avatar
< Master Higgins >
Posts: 8279 - Joined: 05/07/2011
Canada
Profile
Originally posted by: Zing

I am reading through Super Play magazines lately. It was a British magazine devoted to the Super NES. One thing I found odd is that the magazine didn't discriminate in regard to advertisers. I often open the first page to see a Jaguar or 3DO advertisement. Anyway, these ads reminded me of how much diversity there was in console gaming during that period.

In a single page of this magazine, I see ads advertising the following consoles:
PlayStation
Saturn
3DO
Atari Jaguar
Laser active
Nintendo 64
Sega CD
Neo GEO
CD-I

All of these systems were on store shelves at roughly the same time. There were some cross-platform games, but a large amount of each system's library were exclusive. It's mind-boggling to consider this now compared to the current state of the industry. We now have basically two platforms: Wii and PS3/360. Hell, the latter systems are so similar that gamers even shorthand it as "PS360". Exclusives on the PS3 and 360 are strictly economic or political in nature. There is little difference in the hardware capabilities, and a game made on one system could easily be made full-featured on the other.

Think about the huge disparity in graphical and audio performance and styles of the older systems in the list above. There was a game system designed for a variety of tastes. We had: cartridge versus disc, wavetable MIDI versus FM synth, speed versus graphical quality, digitized sprites and FMV versus 3D polygons and real-time rendering. The variety is astonishing. Compare this to the homogenized environment we currently have.

There's a couple of incorrect things with your thread here. Firstly, not all of those consoles were available, or even healthy, at the same time. The Nintendo 64 was released in 1996, by then, the Jaguar, 3DO, Neo Geo and CD-i were all dead in the mainstream market. LaserActive wasn't really it's own console. It was a laser disc player that supported Genesis, Sega CD and Turbo Grafx-16 games, as well as LD-based games which were just ports. Also, if you're including the Sega CD as it's own console, then you need to add the 32X and Jaguar CD. Hell, might as well toss in the Virtual Boy, it was out in 1995. By the time the PlayStation arrived, the home console market had morphed back into a 3 horse race... And then it became a 1 and a half horse race as PlayStation steamrolled the competition, with Nintendo limping along behind.

The other thing to mention is, people have been speculating that the 8th generation will see a console flood again. The PS4, Xbox 720, Wii U, Onlive, OUYA, Steam Box, Oculus Rift and various other pieces of hardware are all expected to compete around the same time, provided there's no cancellations. If you've been nostalgic about the 90s console infestation, there will probably be one last flood before everything moves to online only, where gaming will die.

Also, it's important to remember that it wasn't just the 90s that saw a lot of hardware in a similar time frame. The early 80s was just as bad. There were so many consoles released during that time, one can barely remember them all.

Apr 8, 2013 at 3:42:17 PM
Chux (12)
avatar
(Chuck Forrester) < Eggplant Wizard >
Posts: 470 - Joined: 05/21/2012
Maryland
Profile
Nintendo had a head start but squandered it by re-releasing a Wii with a touchpad. Parents are confused by it, third parties don't care to do much more than slap a map or menu on the touchpad. Modern engines (UE4, the next frostbite engine) won't run on it, leaving the Wii U to be a Nintendo game console again. Which is fine, when I want to play a fun Nintendo property I'll buy one.

I'll agree with Halo, 4 was alright, but I remember the years between 1 and 2, and then 2 and 3. MGR was righteous, I have beat it 5 times so far, although you could argue that the game would be awesome no matter the property.

The Wii-U is dead in the water to me, nextbox might as well be with all of the anti-consumer rumors swirling around it, leaving me to just look at the PS4 if I'm going to even get a console in this next generation.

-------------------------
Current Wants

Apr 8, 2013 at 4:24:37 PM
bunnyboy (81)
avatar
(Funktastic B) < Master Higgins >
Posts: 7704 - Joined: 02/28/2007
California
Profile
Originally posted by: VideoGameAntiques

Also, modern consoles are basically PCs that you hook directly to your TV, so I doubt we'll ever see drastically different systems competing with each-other again.
Exactly what I was going to write, with the addition that the current/next generation will add phones hooked to your TV (ouya, gamestick, etc).

Apr 8, 2013 at 4:53:46 PM
Kuro (1)
avatar
(Mike ) < Crack Trooper >
Posts: 188 - Joined: 03/01/2013
Nebraska
Profile
Onlive, OUYA, Oculus Rift.

imo, no one give a shit about any of these and they will all not sell/fail.

-------------------------
 
http://divinehellspawn.wordpress.... - My blog, containing my finds and other gaming related things.
Collecting Copies of ET for Atari 2600. current count: Cart Only - 9, CIB - 1

Apr 8, 2013 at 5:14:03 PM
fox (15)
avatar
(Gunslinger Fox) < King Solomon >
Posts: 3212 - Joined: 07/12/2012
United States
Profile
Yeah, that is kind of a skewed perspective there. Most of those consoles failed to catch on and gain any kind of foothold in the console market. The console market has almost always been a 2 horse race which expanded to a 3 horse race in the last gen or two.

End of third party exclusives? I'd say that is a win for the consumer, means you don't have to worry about certain developers playing favorites or having to buy a whole new console just for 1 or 2 games you can't get elsewhere. Of course the first of second party will remain exclusive, but the other 90% of the third party stuff you should be able to play on your platform of choice.

Apr 8, 2013 at 5:42:45 PM
Indigo_Streetlight (48)
avatar
(John Smith) < Kraid Killer >
Posts: 2456 - Joined: 01/16/2011
Maryland
Profile
At least now with the current homogeneity you don't have to worry so much about a console going belly up in a year or two and not being able to find games for it. Even though it was cool to read about the changing technology and all the different systems back then, I would've hated plunking down money over and over again just to be left high and dry.

-------------------------
That night the Captain’s granddaughter
Would celebrate her birthday
“I’ve come a long way,” said the Captain,
“From Lost Christabel this night.
Accompanied by my dog familiar,
To blast your rafters with my surprise.
Granddaughter, It’s a foreign mirror
Taken from the jungle by crime!”


~ Blue Oyster Cult - Magna of Illusion

Apr 8, 2013 at 5:48:50 PM
Chux (12)
avatar
(Chuck Forrester) < Eggplant Wizard >
Posts: 470 - Joined: 05/21/2012
Maryland
Profile
Originally posted by: Kuro

Onlive, OUYA, Oculus Rift.

imo, no one give a shit about any of these and they will all not sell/fail.


Onlive is dead, Ouya had my interest until I heard about the horrendous controller lag (could be fixed in an update?), Oculus Rift seems like the future if everything I read is correct, but how often is that.

-------------------------
Current Wants

Apr 8, 2013 at 5:49:05 PM
Dennis Fleaman (8)
This user has been banned -- click for more information.
(dev 2) < Meka Chicken >
Posts: 713 - Joined: 02/13/2011
Netherland Antilles
Profile
Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Originally posted by: VideoGameAntiques

Also, modern consoles are basically PCs that you hook directly to your TV, so I doubt we'll ever see drastically different systems competing with each-other again.
Exactly what I was going to write, with the addition that the current/next generation will add phones hooked to your TV (ouya, gamestick, etc).



x2 Phones are already killing the handhelds.

-------------------------





WWW.RETROPLAYER.NL...
 


Apr 8, 2013 at 6:34:13 PM
arch_8ngel (68)
avatar
(Nathan ?) < Mario >
Posts: 35271 - Joined: 06/12/2007
Virginia
Profile
Originally posted by: Kuro

Onlive, OUYA, Oculus Rift.

imo, no one give a shit about any of these and they will all not sell/fail.


This is the first I've heard of "nobody giving a shit" about the Oculus Rift.

And it isn't a console.  It is a display.

-------------------------
 

Apr 8, 2013 at 8:51:23 PM
Chux (12)
avatar
(Chuck Forrester) < Eggplant Wizard >
Posts: 470 - Joined: 05/21/2012
Maryland
Profile
Seriously. At this point with all of the posturing going on between MS and Sony, and Nintendo being content in last generation, Oculus Rift is the thing I'm most excited for.

-------------------------
Current Wants

Apr 8, 2013 at 9:12:15 PM
removed04092017 (0)
This user has been banned -- click for more information.
< Bowser >
Posts: 7316 - Joined: 12/04/2010
Other
Profile
Originally posted by: Kuro

Onlive, OUYA, Oculus Rift.

imo, no one give a shit about any of these and they will all not sell/fail.

I was going to say, who really has dumped money in to any of those? Nobody....nobody ever will, either.

Modern gaming also doesn't suck, if you really believe that you shouldn't own any system ever. It just has strengths in different areas. Single player in this gen gets mainly shafted by most, but multiplayer options just destroy anything ever. It gives games so much more replayability, and is just a fun way to play games. I enjoy both, but still...I sink much more in to multiplayer.

Apr 9, 2013 at 2:12:33 AM
pegboy (44)
avatar
< Bowser >
Posts: 5904 - Joined: 07/18/2012
Washington
Profile
Pc multiplayer games beat anything consoles have done, and did it better a long ass time ago. Console multiayer games are nothing special at all.

Apr 9, 2013 at 7:29:23 AM
Oisterboy (35)
avatar
(Astronaut Jeph) < Meka Chicken >
Posts: 814 - Joined: 06/01/2012
New York
Profile
Having 3 main systems is a good thing imo. It allows me to look at the exclusives for each and decide from there.

Wii u has great exclusives, but its too much money to spend on a handful of games, especially when bigger titles won't be brought to the system.

Xbox is a joke at best to me. I dunno how adults can defend Microsoft and be a serious gamer. Sure I miss viva pinata and left for dead but there hasn't been an Xbox exclusive worth my time in years.

Brings us to Sony. PlayStation gets all the main games and has awesome exclusives. No brainer for me. Unless its $600 I'll be getting a ps4 on launch day.

-------------------------
Check out my retro gaming facebook page - sales, contests and more -

www.facebook.com/315retro

Apr 9, 2013 at 8:53:15 AM
NostalgicMachine (8)
avatar
< Master Higgins >
Posts: 8959 - Joined: 01/31/2013
New Hampshire
Profile
Originally posted by: pegboy

Modern gaming sucks, end of story.

/Thread.


Apr 9, 2013 at 9:03:11 AM
Chux (12)
avatar
(Chuck Forrester) < Eggplant Wizard >
Posts: 470 - Joined: 05/21/2012
Maryland
Profile
The best thing about Microsoft is Live. Don't pay full price for it, and it's a great service. That said, if I had live's features on a PS3, I'd drop MS for good, but XBLA and Live are enough for me to do most of my modern gaming on that platform.

-------------------------
Current Wants

Apr 9, 2013 at 9:03:44 AM
arch_8ngel (68)
avatar
(Nathan ?) < Mario >
Posts: 35271 - Joined: 06/12/2007
Virginia
Profile
Originally posted by: NostalgicMachine

Originally posted by: pegboy

Modern gaming sucks, end of story.

/Thread.
 

Learn to love the indie and mid-size dev movement.

Lots of great stuff out there, it is just done on a shoestring like the good old days.


-------------------------
 

Apr 9, 2013 at 10:30:55 AM
NostalgicMachine (8)
avatar
< Master Higgins >
Posts: 8959 - Joined: 01/31/2013
New Hampshire
Profile
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: NostalgicMachine

Originally posted by: pegboy

Modern gaming sucks, end of story.

/Thread.
 

Learn to love the indie and mid-size dev movement.

Lots of great stuff out there, it is just done on a shoestring like the good old days.
 
Oh without a doubt, I thought we were speaking within the confines of the big boy industry giants. For those, I have no care or concern; independent art all the way!