Great news to wake up to. Congrats, Pheidian!

That's awesome. Congratulations on the recovery. Must feel good to have that all over with.

Congrats! Justice was served and you were awarded back the money!!!!! Awesome news however, you shouldn't be keeping the box in my opinion but that's just me

Depends. If David gets to keep his refund then an auction to support the community (NA) or a charity and recoup some additional expenses (the police report translation fee wasn't cheap, for example, not to mention: multiple international shipments) seems like the most appropriate thing to do with it.

I think we both feel the same way but I'd like to know if David gets to keep his refund or not before assuming that he should have the box.

I do want him to face consequences for the way he handled things (scam). It was rash, damaging, unprofessional, and irresponsible even if he genuinely thought he was justified. He made a big problem even bigger and hurt even more people.

Trying to "scam the scammer" seems to be his biggest mistake so I'd prefer to learn from it and avoid doing the same thing rather than retaliate by making the same potential mistake. I take some comfort in the idea that he has already incurred expenses for his mistake (buying fakes/dupes; shipping back and forth, etc), though I won't assume they were enough to deter this kind of behavior in the future.

I don't disagree but I doubt we will ever find out if they actually took the money back from him. I don't believe two wrong's justifies a right..... should he be compensated for defending himself? of course but I can't tell you how many times, especially on eBay, someone has tried to pull a fast one on me. I would eventually win the case and they never required me to ship it back however, I happily ship them back their merchandise once I was made whole.  

If he decides to put on auction up so be it. It's that we all pushed to do what's right and we should stop here. 

As far as David in all honesty nothing will happen from a legal stand point. The scam occurred in another country however, the damaged received to his reputation will be forever. Sad but the way it goes. 


 

Good to hear!

Agreed except I don't think he should get it back without some indication that he was ultimately charged for it. It sounds like he has been willing to share such information in private.
 

Why on Earth would Pheidan pay out of pocket to return the box? He may have gotten his money back, but if you read the thread, he also had to eat about $130 in fees for getting the police report translated.

Also, international shipping isn't trivial. Probably $40-$50 to send the box back to the USA with appropriate packaging and tracking. David already had the box, it's not the seller's job to eat even more money to resend him the box he already had.

At best, perhaps you could argue that David would be entitled to the box if he paid $130 in fees as well as the cost of shipping it to him again. He's certainly not entitled to it for free, he gave up his right to the box when he filed a fraudulent claim and returned it.

I believe I stated earlier in the thread he needed to be paid to ship it back, I also stated he needs to recoup his fees. End of the day people do what they feel is right to them.  I am happy he got his money back.... that was the end game. 
 

Pheidian. I'm glad you got your money back brother. That was good news to hear. 

And yes CZRoe, the money going back to Pheidian is coming from HaynHammah, not insurance. I've seen the email. ​

And, you all can disagree with me if you want (grab your pitchforks) .... but there's no way Pheidian should keep the box and sell it for charity or whatever.  HaynHammah should pay for the shipping and whatever fees you may have incurred Pheidian so you are definitely left whole that is for sure. But at the end of the day, he did send you your box back, and he is paying you the full $2,100 through the appeals. 

Anyway. Most importantly. Congrats Matti on gettin paid back. And good thing you started your thread here so the community could jump in and help out. Count your lucky stars because most people that have been scammed never get anything back. 

So basically David shouldn't eat any of the cost of his little scam? It should just be restored to whatever it would have been without the scam? No repercussions?

David did choose to give away the cart and manual in a raffle. BTW, didn't he get paid by everyone who participated in that raffle anyway? Didn't whatever that amount was go to David, too?
 

To be fair, Tulpa, he did say he thinks David should pay for the shipping and the $130 Pheidian had to pay for the ordeal to get the box back.

I did take that into account, but I don't think there is any way to get him to pay for that. I don't think David should be rewarded for his little scam in any way. Keep in mind, we don't know how much he made off the raffle.

I mean, if you dine and dash and get caught, you can't just pay for the meal and walk away.

 

What I wonder is there was another CIB bought to give to the raffle winner, right? But the winner said that box was fake as well. So did David pull this same thing with the other person he bought that CIB from?

Agreed. I have a tough time sympathizing with a scammer after they were caught. Even if Pheidian were to get reimbursed legal fees and shipping who is to say the payment wouldn't later be charged back leaving him out of luck again.

No. been in contact with that seller too. No chargeback on that one. 
 

Looks like this had a not so bad ending for matti. Good on all the parties for resolving this matter.

Looks like this bad boy has run its course!