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Hardware Converting an Emio "Edge" joystick to work on NES/AVS Better than the original NES Advantage

Nov 16, 2016 at 4:38:01 PM
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I plan on converting my Emio Edge joystick to work with NES/AVS. The Emio Edge joystick, despite criticisms that the joystick does not actually function properly with an NES Classic Mini, seems incredibly well made, containing a JLF cloned joystick and real snap in 30mm arcade buttons. As a bonus, after I'm done, I'll have a nice long 9 foot cable left over to use as an upgrade for the official NES Classic Mini gamepad.


My plan is to restore this joystick to work with original hardware by recycling the switches and arcade parts by connecting them to a breakout breadboard with an NES Advantage schematic on it. The original PCB will remain in place for structurual support, however the switches present on the PCB will be isolated by cutting the traces, and wires will be soldered directly to the pots and switches on the solder side of the PCB. I plan on using a Gamerz Tech NES clone controller for the cord as it has the little grommet that should fit the joystick. No original NES Advantage or OEM NES controllers will be butchered...  

I spent the better half of last night mapping out the traces on the turbo circuit on the original NES Advantage and have determined that the NES Advantage uses a 74xx04 series Hex Inverter to create three relaxation RC oscillators.


That's only two logic chips for the NES Schematic and seems fairly simple to do. I calculated the approximate frequency of these oscillators (without actually measuring the frequency range while plugged in) and concluded that the A/B turbo should output an approximate frequency range from 4.35Hz - 31.56Hz and the slow motion turbo would output about 23.67Hz. However the exact frequency of a relaxation oscillator is dependant upon the exact voltage level the logic gate inputs go high, and the textbook formula [Time = 2.2 * R * C] assumes a crossover voltage of 1/2 VCC. There is a lot of variance even among chips of the same type so these calculations could be highly inaccurate compared to real world results. Later on, I will test the actual frequency on my multimeter while plugged into an NES to determine the exact range for determining component values for the final schematic.

There are however a couple of differences between the original NES Advantage and the Edge joystick make full replication of all of the NES Advantage functions a bit troublesome. For starters, the Edge joystick uses a custom ASIC glop top that is useless for modding. Prior to tracing the NES Advantage PCB, I was planning on using a low current 556 (dual 555 timer) for the A/B turbo oscillators, which would produce a more stable signal. The textbook schematic for astable operation creates non-50% duty cycle (reducing the size of R1 will make duty cycle closer to 50), but this can be solved by eliminating R1 and utilizing the output for feedback to produce a true 50% duty cycle square waveform.

Despite the limited utility of a Slo-Mo circuit, I think it would be beneficial to have one for completionist sake. This would necessitate an third oscillator (555 timer) requiring an additional logic chip and potentially larger breadboard. At this point I may as well revert to using a 74xx04 chip for the oscillators since it can facilitate three oscillators instead of just two. If I decide to build a relaxation oscillator with a hex inverter, do I need to use 74HC04 or 74LS04? I hear it makes a difference which chip type you use when interfacing non-digital signals.

A bigger issue is that the Slow motion switch on the Edge joystick appears to be a DPDT momentary pushbutton type rather than the push-on-push-off type switch like those used for the A/B turbos. As I do not have a part number for this switch, I am unsure if I would be able to source a replacement. Using the stock momentary pushbutton switch to toggle slow motion would require adding a flip-flop (extra chip) filter circuitry to adequately de-bounce the input, a second filter circuit to bias the flip flop during power up (so that the controller does not initiate with the "slow" setting activated), and additional logic (extra chip) to combine the oscillator output with the flip-flop output. So either I omit the slow motion feature altogether, or add a bunch of chips, or find a suitable replacement push-push swith with the exact height and pin spacing of the momentary switch I'm replacing.

Lastly, the Emio Edge joystick has removed the mostly useless Player 1 / Player 2 select switch and added an equaly useless "A+B" momentary button to the joystick. Why anyone would need a dedicated "A+B" button when they can actuate A and B simultaneously or independantly with two fingers is beyond me. But anyway, for better or worse, the "A+B" button exists so I need to find an alternative function for it. One potential use I have cooked up is to use this to call up the AVS menu by actuating "A+B+Select". I really like the idea of adding such a hidden feature, but this also requires additional logic to use. The button inputs are normally high, active low, so I could potentially tie in this signal to three inputs using a 74xx08 quad AND two input gate. But this is not without disadvantage, as it adds an extra chip (I need to minimize the chip count to ensure I have enough space to install the breadboard) and accidentally hitting the AVS menu button during gameplay would effectively reset the game.

If I stick to K.I.S.S. design principal (Keep It Simple Stupid), I could just have these two rarely used buttons do nothing at all or simply mirror Start+Select. This would leave me with a compact breadboard with only two chips (a 556 and a CD4021).

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Edited: 11/16/2016 at 05:42 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Nov 16, 2016 at 6:44:08 PM
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Couldn't you wire it so the "A+B" button bridges the same connections as A+B+Select? Shouldn't require any extra logic, I would think.

Question: Does it have a functional Home button?

Nov 16, 2016 at 7:17:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Ichinisan

Couldn't you wire it so the "A+B" button bridges the same connections as A+B+Select? Shouldn't require any extra logic, I would think.

Question: Does it have a functional Home button?
No "home button" on the Edge controller, and no "home button" on OEM NES controllers. Honestly it's no deal breaker since I'm converting it to NES so it doesn't matter.

And yes, I could technically use diodes as a "hack" to isolate the input pins pull the logic inputs low on the CD4021. However this is generally considered bad design. There are many things that can go wrong when trying to use passive and active components to simulate a logic gate or interface with digital logic.

A single switch is needed to pull three inputs A, B, Select to ground simultaneously, but these inputs need to be isolated from each other. A logic AND gate could be built by placing a diode on each input such that it only passes a logic "low" signal from either input. The number of inputs is unlimited as the diodes only serve to prevent crosstalk between inputs. A 10k pullup diode is added to the output resulting in a "low" of .6V and a "high" of 5V. You could similarly create an OR gate with diodes oriented that they only pass a "high" signal, and a 10k pulldown diode on the output. A bipolar transistor can also be used as an inverting amplifier in leu of a proper "NOT" gate. 100k on the transistor input and 10k pullup/pulldown on the output would ensure the bipolar transitor would operate only in the "hard" overdriven (on or off) region.

I would need two diodes on each input plus the pullup resistor (which is already there) to simulate a logic AND gate. Because low signals need to be kept below .6V and high signals above 2.5V, using diodes to combine low logic signals (.6V nominal) is unadviseable, but perfectly acceptable on high logic (4.4V nominal) inputs only. Better to use proper logic, and if the schematic gets overly complex (too many chips), switch to a microcontroller. Unfortunately my programming skills suck so using a microcontroller is out of the question.

TLDR: I have kludged circuits before using tricks like bipolar transistors as inverters and diodes with pullup/pulldown resistors in leu of proper logic gates, and they tend to cause circuits to misbehave when interfaced with digital logic. Been there, done that...  

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Edited: 11/16/2016 at 07:20 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Nov 16, 2016 at 7:58:00 PM
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If I can get them cheap then I plan to make Atari 5200 joysticks out of them. Much of what you're trying to do can be accomplished with a Wii Remote and a Retro Receiver.  

Nov 17, 2016 at 9:33:31 AM
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Originally posted by: CZroe

If I can get them cheap then I plan to make Atari 5200 joysticks out of them. Much of what you're trying to do can be accomplished with a Wii Remote and a Retro Receiver.  
Yeah your post reminds me of this:
https://hackaday.io/project/1021-...

I actually saw that and tried to find a Messiah NES Advantage clone online to no avail. I have one of the original controllers and wireless reciever. I hear they're collector's items (probably less so now that the 8bitdo dongles are a thing) but the Dad was horrible from day one when I bought it in 2004 and I was disappointed with it.

Sadly most of the stock of these beautiful arcade controllers got liquidated when Messiah went out of business, and they were a hard sell because it was (stupidly) never bundled with the required recievers.

I think it's unlikely we find stock of Edge joysticks for cheap due to the massive recall taking place almost immediately after launch. Maybe a random bloke who was unable to return theirs to the store will sell one for less than they paid but doubtful.

Sure you can do it with 8-bitdo -> Wiimote -> Edge joystick but where's the fun in hacking up old hardware?

Hyperkin is releasing a new dongle to allow gamers to use traditional wired NES controllers with the NES Mini, so I'll still be able to use this stick with a Wiimote or Mini console post conversion if I want.

Extended wireless option for stock AVS/NES (may introduce lag):

NES -> 8bitdo -> Wiimote -> Hyperkin NES Classic Mini Dongle -> NES controller!  

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Edited: 11/17/2016 at 09:38 AM by Kosmic StarDust

Nov 19, 2016 at 7:30:37 PM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe

If I can get them cheap then I plan to make Atari 5200 joysticks out of them. Much of what you're trying to do can be accomplished with a Wii Remote and a Retro Receiver.  
Yeah your post reminds me of this:
https://hackaday.io/project/1021-atari-5200-custom-controlle...

I actually saw that and tried to find a Messiah NES Advantage clone online to no avail. I have one of the original controllers and wireless reciever. I hear they're collector's items (probably less so now that the 8bitdo dongles are a thing) but the Dad was horrible from day one when I bought it in 2004 and I was disappointed with it.

Sadly most of the stock of these beautiful arcade controllers got liquidated when Messiah went out of business, and they were a hard sell because it was (stupidly) never bundled with the required recievers.

I think it's unlikely we find stock of Edge joysticks for cheap due to the massive recall taking place almost immediately after launch. Maybe a random bloke who was unable to return theirs to the store will sell one for less than they paid but doubtful.

Sure you can do it with 8-bitdo -> Wiimote -> Edge joystick but where's the fun in hacking up old hardware?

Hyperkin is releasing a new dongle to allow gamers to use traditional wired NES controllers with the NES Mini, so I'll still be able to use this stick with a Wiimote or Mini console post conversion if I want.

Extended wireless option for stock AVS/NES (may introduce lag):

NES -> 8bitdo -> Wiimote -> Hyperkin NES Classic Mini Dongle -> NES controller!  
That's exactly what I was looking for a couple years ago. I think they had sold 'em all off for $15 before I was looking. I was also considering ordering the AtGames Genesis Arcade Pro or whatever it's called with the Genesis games built into an arcade stick but it's pushing $30.  

The people behind these bad EMIO and Nyko controllers is now claiming that they forgot to include the necessary adapter with certain batches rather than admit that they screwed up even worse, so there may not be a full recall. My brother was telling me that someone (him?) did see an Edge controller at a store recently and they refused to sell it after the register rang it up as "Do Not Sell" or something. 

 

Nov 19, 2016 at 8:11:06 PM
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Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe

If I can get them cheap then I plan to make Atari 5200 joysticks out of them. Much of what you're trying to do can be accomplished with a Wii Remote and a Retro Receiver.  
Yeah your post reminds me of this:
https://hackaday.io/project/1021-atari-5200-custom-controlle...

I actually saw that and tried to find a Messiah NES Advantage clone online to no avail. I have one of the original controllers and wireless reciever. I hear they're collector's items (probably less so now that the 8bitdo dongles are a thing) but the Dad was horrible from day one when I bought it in 2004 and I was disappointed with it.

Sadly most of the stock of these beautiful arcade controllers got liquidated when Messiah went out of business, and they were a hard sell because it was (stupidly) never bundled with the required recievers.

I think it's unlikely we find stock of Edge joysticks for cheap due to the massive recall taking place almost immediately after launch. Maybe a random bloke who was unable to return theirs to the store will sell one for less than they paid but doubtful.

Sure you can do it with 8-bitdo -> Wiimote -> Edge joystick but where's the fun in hacking up old hardware?

Hyperkin is releasing a new dongle to allow gamers to use traditional wired NES controllers with the NES Mini, so I'll still be able to use this stick with a Wiimote or Mini console post conversion if I want.

Extended wireless option for stock AVS/NES (may introduce lag):

NES -> 8bitdo -> Wiimote -> Hyperkin NES Classic Mini Dongle -> NES controller!  
That's exactly what I was looking for a couple years ago. I think they had sold 'em all off for $15 before I was looking. I was also considering ordering the AtGames Genesis Arcade Pro or whatever it's called with the Genesis games built into an arcade stick but it's pushing $30.  

The people behind these bad EMIO and Nyko controllers is now claiming that they forgot to include the necessary adapter with certain batches rather than admit that they screwed up even worse, so there may not be a full recall. My brother was telling me that someone (him?) did see an Edge controller at a store recently and they refused to sell it after the register rang it up as "Do Not Sell" or something. 

 


Separate things. Saw a The Edge controller (not joystick) with cheat book at Walmart and it's gone now.

Saw the hanger for NES Classic Edition official controller at Best Buy and got the SKU, but their inventory checker says that SKU is invalid instead of just saying "out of stock."
 

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No pics yet, but I scored the PCB with a hobby knife to isolate the switches and potentiometers, and removed all cables. The GamerzTek NES controller cord fits the joystick housing like a glove. The Buttons I upgraded and blinged out with gold plated Sanwa buttons and Balltop from Paradise Arcade Shop. I've also got a round Toodles JLF circular gate installed on the stick. It's slick!

I had one last go with the joystick on the Wii-U to test my performance upgrades before I opened the stick and scored the PCB. Feel was like butter. I made it to level 10 on VC hybrid platformer/SHMUP DK3. Donkey Kong's a pushover with turbo fire! I look forward to using this stick on the AVS after I'm done with it, maybe even post some scoreboard entries...  

I'm following KISS design principal with this thing, No slow motion or AVS shortcut key. I'm simply going to mirror the Start and Select with the four momentary buttons.

Two 555 chips and a CD4021 will be the only ICs utilized. The pots on the Edge joystick measured 213 kOhms each so I'm pairing them with 27kOhm series resistors and 1 microFarad caps for an effective A/B turbo range of roughly 3 to 25 Hertz. Should be adequate room for a breakout PCB.  

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Edited: 11/19/2016 at 08:23 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Nov 19, 2016 at 8:27:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Ichinisan
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
That's exactly what I was looking for a couple years ago. I think they had sold 'em all off for $15 before I was looking. I was also considering ordering the AtGames Genesis Arcade Pro or whatever it's called with the Genesis games built into an arcade stick but it's pushing $30.  

The people behind these bad EMIO and Nyko controllers is now claiming that they forgot to include the necessary adapter with certain batches rather than admit that they screwed up even worse, so there may not be a full recall. My brother was telling me that someone (him?) did see an Edge controller at a store recently and they refused to sell it after the register rang it up as "Do Not Sell" or something. 

 


Separate things. Saw a The Edge controller (not joystick) with cheat book at Walmart and it's gone now.

Saw the hanger for NES Classic Edition official controller at Best Buy and got the SKU, but their inventory checker says that SKU is invalid instead of just saying "out of stock."
 
Yeah they removed it from the website. Pity nearly all these sticks got recalled as they'll make a nice colector's item for VC fans, or a modder's dream.

 

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Nov 20, 2016 at 7:10:30 PM
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Originally posted by: Ichinisan
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe

If I can get them cheap then I plan to make Atari 5200 joysticks out of them. Much of what you're trying to do can be accomplished with a Wii Remote and a Retro Receiver.  
Yeah your post reminds me of this:
https://hackaday.io/project/1021-atari-5200-custom-controlle...

I actually saw that and tried to find a Messiah NES Advantage clone online to no avail. I have one of the original controllers and wireless reciever. I hear they're collector's items (probably less so now that the 8bitdo dongles are a thing) but the Dad was horrible from day one when I bought it in 2004 and I was disappointed with it.

Sadly most of the stock of these beautiful arcade controllers got liquidated when Messiah went out of business, and they were a hard sell because it was (stupidly) never bundled with the required recievers.

I think it's unlikely we find stock of Edge joysticks for cheap due to the massive recall taking place almost immediately after launch. Maybe a random bloke who was unable to return theirs to the store will sell one for less than they paid but doubtful.

Sure you can do it with 8-bitdo -> Wiimote -> Edge joystick but where's the fun in hacking up old hardware?

Hyperkin is releasing a new dongle to allow gamers to use traditional wired NES controllers with the NES Mini, so I'll still be able to use this stick with a Wiimote or Mini console post conversion if I want.

Extended wireless option for stock AVS/NES (may introduce lag):

NES -> 8bitdo -> Wiimote -> Hyperkin NES Classic Mini Dongle -> NES controller!  
That's exactly what I was looking for a couple years ago. I think they had sold 'em all off for $15 before I was looking. I was also considering ordering the AtGames Genesis Arcade Pro or whatever it's called with the Genesis games built into an arcade stick but it's pushing $30.  

The people behind these bad EMIO and Nyko controllers is now claiming that they forgot to include the necessary adapter with certain batches rather than admit that they screwed up even worse, so there may not be a full recall. My brother was telling me that someone (him?) did see an Edge controller at a store recently and they refused to sell it after the register rang it up as "Do Not Sell" or something. 

 


Separate things. Saw a The Edge controller (not joystick) with cheat book at Walmart and it's gone now.

Saw the hanger for NES Classic Edition official controller at Best Buy and got the SKU, but their inventory checker says that SKU is invalid instead of just saying "out of stock."
 
I was just confused about who I heard it from. It was actually smokinjoe25 in this thread:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...

"Had an odd deal this week. Went to Walmart to see if they had the system and, of course, sold out, but they had one of the 3rd party edge brand controllers with turbo buttons and a 9 ft cable for $15. I decide to go ahead and pick it up for when I get a system and go to check out. They scan and the computer says sale not authorized or something to that effect. They call someone else up and they said the controllers has been recalled and shouldn't even have been on the shelf. So, they wouldn't sell it to me."

Nov 21, 2016 at 1:15:14 AM
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Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
 
 
I was just confused about who I heard it from. It was actually smokinjoe25 in this thread:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=251&am...

"Had an odd deal this week. Went to Walmart to see if they had the system and, of course, sold out, but they had one of the 3rd party edge brand controllers with turbo buttons and a 9 ft cable for $15. I decide to go ahead and pick it up for when I get a system and go to check out. They scan and the computer says sale not authorized or something to that effect. They call someone else up and they said the controllers has been recalled and shouldn't even have been on the shelf. So, they wouldn't sell it to me."
Wrong page. It's actually the next page, fourth down from the top:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...

Yeah, I think it's obvious from both independant sources, ie both Walmart and Best Buy this thing has been officially recalled. SKUs aren't deleted from the inventory system simply because an item's out of stock.

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Nov 21, 2016 at 1:20:06 AM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
 
 
I was just confused about who I heard it from. It was actually smokinjoe25 in this thread:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=251&am...

"Had an odd deal this week. Went to Walmart to see if they had the system and, of course, sold out, but they had one of the 3rd party edge brand controllers with turbo buttons and a 9 ft cable for $15. I decide to go ahead and pick it up for when I get a system and go to check out. They scan and the computer says sale not authorized or something to that effect. They call someone else up and they said the controllers has been recalled and shouldn't even have been on the shelf. So, they wouldn't sell it to me."
Wrong page. It's actually the next page, fourth down from the top:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=276&am...

Yeah, I think it's obvious from both independant sources, ie both Walmart and Best Buy this thing has been officially recalled. SKUs aren't deleted from the inventory system simply because an item's out of stock.
Both links take me to the last page (currently page 6) where it is 29th from the top.  

 


Edited: 11/21/2016 at 01:20 AM by CZroe

Nov 21, 2016 at 1:34:21 AM
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Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
 
 
I was just confused about who I heard it from. It was actually smokinjoe25 in this thread:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=251&am...

"Had an odd deal this week. Went to Walmart to see if they had the system and, of course, sold out, but they had one of the 3rd party edge brand controllers with turbo buttons and a 9 ft cable for $15. I decide to go ahead and pick it up for when I get a system and go to check out. They scan and the computer says sale not authorized or something to that effect. They call someone else up and they said the controllers has been recalled and shouldn't even have been on the shelf. So, they wouldn't sell it to me."
Wrong page. It's actually the next page, fourth down from the top:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=276&am...

Yeah, I think it's obvious from both independant sources, ie both Walmart and Best Buy this thing has been officially recalled. SKUs aren't deleted from the inventory system simply because an item's out of stock.
Both links take me to the last page (currently page 6) where it is 29th from the top.  

 
29th from the top? There are 25 posts per page, unless you have different viewing preferencesthan I.  

 

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Nov 21, 2016 at 1:40:00 AM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
 
 
I was just confused about who I heard it from. It was actually smokinjoe25 in this thread:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=251&am...

"Had an odd deal this week. Went to Walmart to see if they had the system and, of course, sold out, but they had one of the 3rd party edge brand controllers with turbo buttons and a 9 ft cable for $15. I decide to go ahead and pick it up for when I get a system and go to check out. They scan and the computer says sale not authorized or something to that effect. They call someone else up and they said the controllers has been recalled and shouldn't even have been on the shelf. So, they wouldn't sell it to me."
Wrong page. It's actually the next page, fourth down from the top:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=276&am...

Yeah, I think it's obvious from both independant sources, ie both Walmart and Best Buy this thing has been officially recalled. SKUs aren't deleted from the inventory system simply because an item's out of stock.
Both links take me to the last page (currently page 6) where it is 29th from the top.  

 
29th from the top? There are 25 posts per page, unless you have different viewing preferencesthan I.  

 

Bingo, and this silly forum software doesn't seem to number each post with a clickable direct URL like proper forum software usually has. Just one more thing I find frustrating about this on a daily basis! 
 

Nov 21, 2016 at 1:53:03 AM
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Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: CZroe
 
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
 
 
I was just confused about who I heard it from. It was actually smokinjoe25 in this thread:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=251&am...

"Had an odd deal this week. Went to Walmart to see if they had the system and, of course, sold out, but they had one of the 3rd party edge brand controllers with turbo buttons and a 9 ft cable for $15. I decide to go ahead and pick it up for when I get a system and go to check out. They scan and the computer says sale not authorized or something to that effect. They call someone else up and they said the controllers has been recalled and shouldn't even have been on the shelf. So, they wouldn't sell it to me."
Wrong page. It's actually the next page, fourth down from the top:
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=276&am...

Yeah, I think it's obvious from both independant sources, ie both Walmart and Best Buy this thing has been officially recalled. SKUs aren't deleted from the inventory system simply because an item's out of stock.
Both links take me to the last page (currently page 6) where it is 29th from the top.  

 
29th from the top? There are 25 posts per page, unless you have different viewing preferencesthan I.  

 

Bingo, and this silly forum software doesn't seem to number each post with a clickable direct URL like proper forum software usually has. Just one more thing I find frustrating about this on a daily basis! 
 
Odd that when I get a "quoted" forum reply, it links directly to the exact post, but standard replies don't. And while it is technically possible to link to a specific post,  I know of no way to generate said link.

Also before I get off my soapbox, the built in search function on NA does not sort chronologically. I've accidentally necro-bumped old threads on occasion as a result of this. In fact, a generic Google Search using "site:nintendoage.com" often fetches more relevant results than the built in feature.
 

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Nov 21, 2016 at 1:56:59 AM
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The most sorely-lacking feature is a way to sort participated threads by most recent activity. This is automatic on most forums (auto-subscribe to participated threads; most recent activity is bumped to the top of the subscribed threads under UserCP). I lose track of so many things as a direct consequence. It's should be a mandatory part of any forum... a basic function.

Nov 21, 2016 at 3:54:23 PM
Kosmic StarDust (44)
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Originally posted by: CZroe

The most sorely-lacking feature is a way to sort participated threads by most recent activity. This is automatic on most forums (auto-subscribe to participated threads; most recent activity is bumped to the top of the subscribed threads under UserCP). I lose track of so many things as a direct consequence. It's should be a mandatory part of any forum... a basic function.
Word. If you don't click the link on every sunscription email, you essentially lose the sub until you visit the thread again.

Occasionally clicking the "mark all forums read" link helps in this regard.

 

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Dec 1, 2016 at 7:47:06 AM
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Awesome mod! I subscribed just to say this  
Hope these joysticks will be obtainable in Europe one day.


Edited: 12/01/2016 at 07:48 AM by dennis808

Dec 1, 2016 at 9:32:17 AM
Kosmic StarDust (44)
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Originally posted by: dennis808

Awesome mod! I subscribed just to say this  
Hope these joysticks will be obtainable in Europe one day.
Thanks, been preoccupied by other projects currently. Also welcome to NA!  

 

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Edited: 12/01/2016 at 09:33 AM by Kosmic StarDust

Jun 21, 2017 at 12:45:51 AM
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Did anything come of this?

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Jun 21, 2017 at 5:44:13 AM
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It's been sitting here for six months waiting for me to connect the wires to the bread board. Sorry got sidetracked around Christmas time and started peddling cigar box Atari joysticks over on Atariage (link).. I'll finish it though sooner or later and report when it's done. Hit that sub button...  

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Edited: 06/21/2017 at 05:48 AM by Kosmic StarDust

Jan 11, 2018 at 11:25:31 PM
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Bit of a necrobump. Can the joystick be restricted to a 4 way only joystick? It looks like the plate can be shifted to do so, but I can't tell. If so, it would be an awesome budget retro 80s arcade stick for classics like Pac-Man, Dig Dug, etc

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Jan 12, 2018 at 7:05:47 PM
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Yes. It have a restrictor plate you can rotate for 4-way or swap with sanwa jlf parts. As for my mod, it's been shelved for a year now. I don't know when I'll finish it.  

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