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Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

This is precisely why I keep saying the delta between sealed and CIB needs to close. There are not enough sealed games to go around. There just isn’t. 

Why would the delta need to close? right now there is a large delta between sealed and cib
right? Your saying there is such limited quantity of sealed so shouldn’t the delta increase?
 


Edited: 10/20/2019 at 10:53 PM by halperin

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Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

Originally posted by: OptOut

Nothing makes a test market copy of Mario or any other title more desirable to average collectors, gamers or members of the public, other than the bullshit hype train perpetrated by WATA, HA, and their apologists on NA.

Test market thing is a cool story, sure, a nice tidbit for those into Nintendo and the history of the North American game market. And indeed, the still existing sealed titles from that specific release are certainly rare. But what pent up demand to own these games really is there? Most would think it cool to own one, but is anyone actually losing sleep because they don't have one?

I don't see it, most longtime members here don't see it. The only people who seem to equate the test market stuff with bogus Action Comics 1 comparisons are people who are directly out to profit from collectors, or their sycophantic toadies who either are profiting from it as well, or just dumb enough to be carried along for the ride.

No, I gotta disagree with you there. A LOT of longtime members have coveted sticker sealed games, whether CIB or sealed (cart collectors likely wouldn't care about a box). That's how they've come to own them in the first place. The comparisons to Action Comics 1 aren't bogus, they are real. I'm not saying matte SMB is going to be AC1, but the parallels are most certainly there. 

Is anyone one actually losing any sleep about not owning ANY certain game, or collectible? You been here 2 years and you're going to speak for the long-time members? Okay...





 





What's the cut off to speak for long time members? Is it 2012? 2010? Dare I say 06 or just be quiet?

I'm just curious, despite him only being here 2 years, that might still be a pretty accurate statement, it's to each his own anyway.

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Originally posted by: the tall guy
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
 
Originally posted by: OptOut

Nothing makes a test market copy of Mario or any other title more desirable to average collectors, gamers or members of the public, other than the bullshit hype train perpetrated by WATA, HA, and their apologists on NA.

Test market thing is a cool story, sure, a nice tidbit for those into Nintendo and the history of the North American game market. And indeed, the still existing sealed titles from that specific release are certainly rare. But what pent up demand to own these games really is there? Most would think it cool to own one, but is anyone actually losing sleep because they don't have one?

I don't see it, most longtime members here don't see it. The only people who seem to equate the test market stuff with bogus Action Comics 1 comparisons are people who are directly out to profit from collectors, or their sycophantic toadies who either are profiting from it as well, or just dumb enough to be carried along for the ride.

No, I gotta disagree with you there. A LOT of longtime members have coveted sticker sealed games, whether CIB or sealed (cart collectors likely wouldn't care about a box). That's how they've come to own them in the first place. The comparisons to Action Comics 1 aren't bogus, they are real. I'm not saying matte SMB is going to be AC1, but the parallels are most certainly there. 

Is anyone one actually losing any sleep about not owning ANY certain game, or collectible? You been here 2 years and you're going to speak for the long-time members? Okay...





 



What's the cut off to speak for long time members? Is it 2012? 2010? Dare I say 06 or just be quiet? I'm just curious, despite him only being here 2 years, that might still be a pretty accurate statement, it's to each his own anyway.
Ask OptOut, they’re the one speaking for the masses, not me. If the irony of his his/her statement doesn’t hit you I’m not quite sure what to say. 

Obviously its to each their own. Kinda why I spoke up.

 

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Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

This is precisely why I keep saying the delta between sealed and CIB needs to close. There are not enough sealed games to go around. There just isn’t. 

Why would the delta need to close? right now there is a large delta between sealed and cib
right? Your saying there is such limited quantity of sealed so shouldn’t the delta increase?
 
Supply and demand. There’s not enough supply to meet the demand of sealed games. What are the alternatives? It’s going to vary from title to title and collector to collector anyway, but just using me for example, I’d rather have a mint CIB of an early print than going later print but sealed.

Sealed will always carry a nice premium, and I don’t expect prices to come down on sealed. I’m simply saying when some of those really dry up and/or are on complete lockdown by the owner then at least some people will shift to CIB and as that supply decreases, prices will rise. 

A delta of 5000% on some titles for sealed vs CIB? No way. That can’t continue. 
 

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Originally posted by: the tall guy

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

Originally posted by: OptOut

Nothing makes a test market copy of Mario or any other title more desirable to average collectors, gamers or members of the public, other than the bullshit hype train perpetrated by WATA, HA, and their apologists on NA.

Test market thing is a cool story, sure, a nice tidbit for those into Nintendo and the history of the North American game market. And indeed, the still existing sealed titles from that specific release are certainly rare. But what pent up demand to own these games really is there? Most would think it cool to own one, but is anyone actually losing sleep because they don't have one?

I don't see it, most longtime members here don't see it. The only people who seem to equate the test market stuff with bogus Action Comics 1 comparisons are people who are directly out to profit from collectors, or their sycophantic toadies who either are profiting from it as well, or just dumb enough to be carried along for the ride.

No, I gotta disagree with you there. A LOT of longtime members have coveted sticker sealed games, whether CIB or sealed (cart collectors likely wouldn't care about a box). That's how they've come to own them in the first place. The comparisons to Action Comics 1 aren't bogus, they are real. I'm not saying matte SMB is going to be AC1, but the parallels are most certainly there. 

Is anyone one actually losing any sleep about not owning ANY certain game, or collectible? You been here 2 years and you're going to speak for the long-time members? Okay...





 





What's the cut off to speak for long time members? Is it 2012? 2010? Dare I say 06 or just be quiet?

I'm just curious, despite him only being here 2 years, that might still be a pretty accurate statement, it's to each his own anyway.





I lurked for a while. How do I denote that in my street cred?


Edited: 10/21/2019 at 12:11 AM by snk2d4ever

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Originally posted by: snk2d4ever

Originally posted by: the tall guy

Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

Originally posted by: OptOut

Nothing makes a test market copy of Mario or any other title more desirable to average collectors, gamers or members of the public, other than the bullshit hype train perpetrated by WATA, HA, and their apologists on NA.

Test market thing is a cool story, sure, a nice tidbit for those into Nintendo and the history of the North American game market. And indeed, the still existing sealed titles from that specific release are certainly rare. But what pent up demand to own these games really is there? Most would think it cool to own one, but is anyone actually losing sleep because they don't have one?

I don't see it, most longtime members here don't see it. The only people who seem to equate the test market stuff with bogus Action Comics 1 comparisons are people who are directly out to profit from collectors, or their sycophantic toadies who either are profiting from it as well, or just dumb enough to be carried along for the ride.

No, I gotta disagree with you there. A LOT of longtime members have coveted sticker sealed games, whether CIB or sealed (cart collectors likely wouldn't care about a box). That's how they've come to own them in the first place. The comparisons to Action Comics 1 aren't bogus, they are real. I'm not saying matte SMB is going to be AC1, but the parallels are most certainly there. 

Is anyone one actually losing any sleep about not owning ANY certain game, or collectible? You been here 2 years and you're going to speak for the long-time members? Okay...





 





What's the cut off to speak for long time members? Is it 2012? 2010? Dare I say 06 or just be quiet?

I'm just curious, despite him only being here 2 years, that might still be a pretty accurate statement, it's to each his own anyway.





I lurked for a while. How do I denote that in my street cred?





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Oh man! My collection is only worth a couple grand! I think. I've been doing this the wrong way.

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I'd have to agree somewhat with OptOut regarding this situation.

Maybe historically longtime members had a preference toward sticker seals and then taking it a bit further, matte original prints, over other versions - I never had much interest in collecting any of that stuff, so I'm not going to comment what was or wasn't the case with it, in the past. Having such a preference does make a good deal of sense too, logically, I'd reckon nits the same reason most people here seem to prefer original prints over greatest hits games, limited edition homebrew games over standard release, or even (in my side of the world) original bootleg prints over modern ones. Everyone prefers the original.

My problem though is that wata / heritage / Deniz himself / gocollects Jeffy , etc are all taking this innate preference that many people would already have, and then trying to shove it down our throats, through all of these advertisement "news" articles, and the like. Collectors should draw their own conclusions as to what they want to collect and why, but with the new wave coming in, it seems to be born just due to the hype tossed about by people with vested interests in the market.

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You didn't hear much about print runs with the exception to the glaring exceptions a few years ago. I know there were conversation here and there about hangtab vs non-hangtab over the years, between what I would consider hardcore collectors, but it seemed pretty niche and didn't include the majority who collected. The money coming into the 'hobby' now is a completely different beast and solidified by the article linked in the thread. It has nothing to do with the games themselves which is why I would argue most people started to collect. These investors have been given the Coles Note and been told what is the rarest and what should be collected and they're left fighting for a price while these websites like WATA and HA reap the rewards. If this wasn't hyped in some way you wouldn't see long time collectors checking all their games to see what print runs and what and now seeing eBay absolutely litterest with super specific listings (1st print, hangtab, rev, star code, etc.etc.). I'm not syaing some of these games aren't rare but to say this isn't manufactured in some way just isn't true in my opinion.

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Ive probably spent less than 500 on my collection this year.

All N64 Commons lol.

So I guess Ill take that huge 0-10k range in the poll. Why 0-10k as the lowest option? Who spends that much?

I dont think ive spent even close to 10k in any year of the last decade yet have a crap ton of games.

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Edited: 10/21/2019 at 09:35 AM by quest4nes

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Originally posted by: quest4nes

Ive probably spent less than 500 on my collection this year.

All N64 Commons lol.

So I guess Ill take that huge 0-10k range in the poll. Why 0-10k as the lowest option? Who spends that much?

I dont think ive spent even close to 10k in any year of the last decade yet have a crap ton of games.





Wrong thread, bub!  

However, thanks for illustrating my point with a clear example of what the average Joe gamers and collectors are interested in, and what they're doing with their time and money.

We are not spending multiple thousands or tens of thousands on a handful of games. That will only ever be a tiny niche of a niche of a niche in this hobby.

Perhaps I have taken too adversarial of a stance in this thread. I do accept that there ARE people who dig the variants and the first prints and all that sort of stuff. But, I am also more convinced than ever that that side of the hobby is almost a separate hobby in and of itself compared to what the bulk of us are into.

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I love all this exposure and hype honestly. It makes my collection go up even more. Spread the word to all in the world. Retro collecting is the best!

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Originally posted by: tbone3969

I love all this exposure and hype honestly. It makes my collection go up even more. Spread the word to all in the world. Retro collecting is the best!

So sell.  I think this is the issue.  I haven't once looked at my collection of crap and said "wow look at all that money I have".  I look at them at things I wanted to buy to enjoy and keep.  
 

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Originally posted by: OptOut
 
Originally posted by: quest4nes

Ive probably spent less than 500 on my collection this year.

All N64 Commons lol.

So I guess Ill take that huge 0-10k range in the poll. Why 0-10k as the lowest option? Who spends that much?

I dont think ive spent even close to 10k in any year of the last decade yet have a crap ton of games.



Wrong thread, bub!   However, thanks for illustrating my point with a clear example of what the average Joe gamers and collectors are interested in, and what they're doing with their time and money. We are not spending multiple thousands or tens of thousands on a handful of games. That will only ever be a tiny niche of a niche of a niche in this hobby. Perhaps I have taken too adversarial of a stance in this thread. I do accept that there ARE people who dig the variants and the first prints and all that sort of stuff. But, I am also more convinced than ever that that side of the hobby is almost a separate hobby in and of itself compared to what the bulk of us are into.


lol I clicked on that thread I swear. Im blaming GoCollect for it.

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Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil

You didn't hear much about print runs with the exception to the glaring exceptions a few years ago. I know there were conversation here and there about hangtab vs non-hangtab over the years, between what I would consider hardcore collectors, but it seemed pretty niche and didn't include the majority who collected. The money coming into the 'hobby' now is a completely different beast and solidified by the article linked in the thread. It has nothing to do with the games themselves which is why I would argue most people started to collect. These investors have been given the Coles Note and been told what is the rarest and what should be collected and they're left fighting for a price while these websites like WATA and HA reap the rewards. If this wasn't hyped in some way you wouldn't see long time collectors checking all their games to see what print runs and what and now seeing eBay absolutely litterest with super specific listings (1st print, hangtab, rev, star code, etc.etc.). I'm not syaing some of these games aren't rare but to say this isn't manufactured in some way just isn't true in my opinion.

On those points I do agree. Wata and HA are making money by affecting the market. (And Wata not even fulfilling their services as it seems) As a couple of people have pointed out, articles like this are nothing but puff piece press release free advertising. 

The manipulation will spill over to lower markets. I think it's already happening. 
 

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Originally posted by: guitarzombie
 
Originally posted by: tbone3969

I love all this exposure and hype honestly. It makes my collection go up even more. Spread the word to all in the world. Retro collecting is the best!

So sell.  I think this is the issue.  I haven't once looked at my collection of crap and said "wow look at all that money I have".  I look at them at things I wanted to buy to enjoy and keep.  
 
Look, I am not looking to sell but at the same time I think you'd be crazy to think that people here, gamers, collectors, whatever we want to call them, would rather the value go down or stay the same over decades.  It's nice to know they are appreciating and the more press the better IMO.  I do not plan on selling and my exit plan is to leave my collection to my kids, if they are into gaming at least.  But if I ever had a finanical crisis I would sell.  Nice to know my collections is somewhat liquid.

 

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Edited: 10/21/2019 at 10:50 AM by tbone3969

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Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
 
Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

This is precisely why I keep saying the delta between sealed and CIB needs to close. There are not enough sealed games to go around. There just isn’t. 

Why would the delta need to close? right now there is a large delta between sealed and cib
right? Your saying there is such limited quantity of sealed so shouldn’t the delta increase?
 
Supply and demand. There’s not enough supply to meet the demand of sealed games. What are the alternatives? It’s going to vary from title to title and collector to collector anyway, but just using me for example, I’d rather have a mint CIB of an early print than going later print but sealed.

Sealed will always carry a nice premium, and I don’t expect prices to come down on sealed. I’m simply saying when some of those really dry up and/or are on complete lockdown by the owner then at least some people will shift to CIB and as that supply decreases, prices will rise. 

A delta of 5000% on some titles for sealed vs CIB? No way. That can’t continue. 
 

Ah your saying the lack of supply in sealed will drive the collector to cib instead. Certainly possible. I personally feel there is a big difference in mentality from collecting sealed vs cib , at least for high end collectors. Not sure they will “come down” to cib. I guess the alternative would be going for later copies like you said or just passing completely. 

Another interesting thing you said was regarding the quantity of high end pieces in games vs comics. There are several collectible titles in video games with population in single digits. Vs comics the most sought after comic hasn’t what 65 copies you said? I bet a lot of people are seeing that and assuming all these video game titles willl follow suit and far pass those comics in value because of the comparatively absurd rarity. 


Edited: 10/21/2019 at 11:06 AM by halperin

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Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
 
Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

This is precisely why I keep saying the delta between sealed and CIB needs to close. There are not enough sealed games to go around. There just isn’t. 

Why would the delta need to close? right now there is a large delta between sealed and cib
right? Your saying there is such limited quantity of sealed so shouldn’t the delta increase?
 
Supply and demand. There’s not enough supply to meet the demand of sealed games. What are the alternatives? It’s going to vary from title to title and collector to collector anyway, but just using me for example, I’d rather have a mint CIB of an early print than going later print but sealed.

Sealed will always carry a nice premium, and I don’t expect prices to come down on sealed. I’m simply saying when some of those really dry up and/or are on complete lockdown by the owner then at least some people will shift to CIB and as that supply decreases, prices will rise. 

A delta of 5000% on some titles for sealed vs CIB? No way. That can’t continue. 
 

Ah your saying the lack of supply in sealed will drive the collector to cib instead. Certainly possible. I personally feel there is a big difference in mentality from collecting sealed vs cib , at least for high end collectors. Not sure they will “come down” to cib. I guess the alternative would be going for later copies like you said or just passing completely. 
 

I'm guessing a large assortment of folks here don't care much of the opinion of Jim Halperin, co-founder of Heritage Auctions and member of the WATA advisory board.

Edit:  Sorry, and one of the buyers for the $100k Mario.  That too.
 

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Originally posted by: tbone3969
 
Originally posted by: guitarzombie
 
Originally posted by: tbone3969

I love all this exposure and hype honestly. It makes my collection go up even more. Spread the word to all in the world. Retro collecting is the best!

So sell.  I think this is the issue.  I haven't once looked at my collection of crap and said "wow look at all that money I have".  I look at them at things I wanted to buy to enjoy and keep.  
 
Look, I am not looking to sell but at the same time I think you'd be crazy to think that people here, gamers, collectors, whatever we want to call them, would rather the value go down or stay the same over decades.  It's nice to know they are appreciating and the more press the better IMO.  I do not plan on selling and my exit plan is to leave my collection to my kids, if they are into gaming at least.  But if I ever had a finanical crisis I would sell.  Nice to know my collections is somewhat liquid.

 
Do you have that stuff that people are going coo-coo for?  It looks like NES games have been slowly depreciating on the whole, except for this niche section.  And TBH it hasn't bothered me one bit.

 

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Originally posted by: guitarzombie
 
Originally posted by: tbone3969
 
Originally posted by: guitarzombie
 
Originally posted by: tbone3969

I love all this exposure and hype honestly. It makes my collection go up even more. Spread the word to all in the world. Retro collecting is the best!

So sell.  I think this is the issue.  I haven't once looked at my collection of crap and said "wow look at all that money I have".  I look at them at things I wanted to buy to enjoy and keep.  
 
Look, I am not looking to sell but at the same time I think you'd be crazy to think that people here, gamers, collectors, whatever we want to call them, would rather the value go down or stay the same over decades.  It's nice to know they are appreciating and the more press the better IMO.  I do not plan on selling and my exit plan is to leave my collection to my kids, if they are into gaming at least.  But if I ever had a finanical crisis I would sell.  Nice to know my collections is somewhat liquid.

 
Do you have that stuff that people are going coo-coo for?  It looks like NES games have been slowly depreciating on the whole, except for this niche section.  And TBH it hasn't bothered me one bit.

 
No I don't.  My total collection is probably worth $5,000 or less.

 

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Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
 
Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

This is precisely why I keep saying the delta between sealed and CIB needs to close. There are not enough sealed games to go around. There just isn't. 

Why would the delta need to close? right now there is a large delta between sealed and cib
right? Your saying there is such limited quantity of sealed so shouldn't the delta increase?
 
Supply and demand. There's not enough supply to meet the demand of sealed games. What are the alternatives? It's going to vary from title to title and collector to collector anyway, but just using me for example, I'd rather have a mint CIB of an early print than going later print but sealed.

Sealed will always carry a nice premium, and I don't expect prices to come down on sealed. I'm simply saying when some of those really dry up and/or are on complete lockdown by the owner then at least some people will shift to CIB and as that supply decreases, prices will rise. 

A delta of 5000% on some titles for sealed vs CIB? No way. That can't continue. 
 

Ah your saying the lack of supply in sealed will drive the collector to cib instead. Certainly possible. I personally feel there is a big difference in mentality from collecting sealed vs cib , at least for high end collectors. Not sure they will "come down" to cib. I guess the alternative would be going for later copies like you said or just passing completely. 
 

I'm guessing a large assortment of folks here don't care much of the opinion of Jim Halperin, co-founder of Heritage Auctions and member of the WATA advisory board.

Edit:  Sorry, and one of the buyers for the $100k Mario.  That too.
 





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Originally posted by: 1upped

They are spending massive amounts because the game is still sealed. And with a sticker seal at that, which in the world of collecting is nearly impossible to obtain. No, sealed collectors don't put much thought into the fact that the gameplay itself is exactly the same as a later version. Or that it plays the same as a CIB. It is strictly, for no other reason whatsoever, that it is a brand new, never opened or played, first print/variation of one of the first lineup games for Nintendo......the company who single handedly made video games the household, powerhouse that we all see and collect today. To many, they are every bit as influential as Disney, Marvel, DC and others in terms of culture in America. I agree it can be frustrating to long time collectors such as myself, when money "comes into" the hobby, thus changing everything......but this has been happening for decades now, in different measures......and most likely always will. This isn't Atari, a company that is known for games.....pretty bad ones at that.....it's Nintendo, a company known for games, characters, and everything in between. And when you take their (Nintendo) beginning in America....and the test market fascinating story that goes along with it in terms of these sticker sealed games....it creates a demand that will never be satisfied. Wish I had more......like, a ton more. But that is where "some" of the market is heading.....and hangtabs can be put into the same category.....great early Nintendo product, and very little supply. As for the story.....yes, it's some hype, but only if that kind of stuff hyped you. What hyped me more is trying to still add to an old time collection and lucking out every once in awhile
Originally posted by: Prime2099
 
Originally posted by: Maertens29
 
Originally posted by: Prime2099

The thing that gets me about these 1st print games is that the game itself is the same to every release after that correct? The only difference being that the box is different than subsequent releases?



No, the cartridges also have variations that need to be correctly matched to the box variations.


But the game, the actual gameplay I mean is the same, right? Because I understand the whole 5-screw vs 3 screw thing, which to me is another irrelevant variant because it has nothing to do with the operation of the game itself, which is the point I was trying to make. Also I understand and respect that people are big into the variations for both the boxes and the carts, but these guys spending massive amounts of money for a first print just seems crazy to me. At least I am not the only one who thinks that from reading this thread.


 

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Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds
 
Originally posted by: halperin
 
Originally posted by: MinusWorlds

This is precisely why I keep saying the delta between sealed and CIB needs to close. There are not enough sealed games to go around. There just isn’t. 

Why would the delta need to close? right now there is a large delta between sealed and cib
right? Your saying there is such limited quantity of sealed so shouldn’t the delta increase?
 
Supply and demand. There’s not enough supply to meet the demand of sealed games. What are the alternatives? It’s going to vary from title to title and collector to collector anyway, but just using me for example, I’d rather have a mint CIB of an early print than going later print but sealed.

Sealed will always carry a nice premium, and I don’t expect prices to come down on sealed. I’m simply saying when some of those really dry up and/or are on complete lockdown by the owner then at least some people will shift to CIB and as that supply decreases, prices will rise. 

A delta of 5000% on some titles for sealed vs CIB? No way. That can’t continue. 
 

Ah your saying the lack of supply in sealed will drive the collector to cib instead. Certainly possible. I personally feel there is a big difference in mentality from collecting sealed vs cib , at least for high end collectors. Not sure they will “come down” to cib. I guess the alternative would be going for later copies like you said or just passing completely. 

Another interesting thing you said was regarding the quantity of high end pieces in games vs comics. There are several collectible titles in video games with population in single digits. Vs comics the most sought after comic hasn’t what 65 copies you said? I bet a lot of people are seeing that and assuming all these video game titles willl follow suit and far pass those comics in value because of the comparatively absurd rarity. 

That’s just it. I cannot fathom anyone passing on games like Dr. Wright Mega Man or HT Castlevania because a sealed copy isn’t available. That tells me two things. 

1. They’re probably just an elitist collector 
2. They don’t truly love the games 

This is just a general statement. Not aimed at anyone specifically and of course there’s exceptions. I really don’t see people passing on those. They’re must haves. Even if they have to “come down” to CIB. 


 

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Originally posted by: Quaze
 
Originally posted by: 1upped

They are spending massive amounts because the game is still sealed. And with a sticker seal at that, which in the world of collecting is nearly impossible to obtain. No, sealed collectors don't put much thought into the fact that the gameplay itself is exactly the same as a later version. Or that it plays the same as a CIB. It is strictly, for no other reason whatsoever, that it is a brand new, never opened or played, first print/variation of one of the first lineup games for Nintendo......the company who single handedly made video games the household, powerhouse that we all see and collect today. To many, they are every bit as influential as Disney, Marvel, DC and others in terms of culture in America. I agree it can be frustrating to long time collectors such as myself, when money "comes into" the hobby, thus changing everything......but this has been happening for decades now, in different measures......and most likely always will. This isn't Atari, a company that is known for games.....pretty bad ones at that.....it's Nintendo, a company known for games, characters, and everything in between. And when you take their (Nintendo) beginning in America....and the test market fascinating story that goes along with it in terms of these sticker sealed games....it creates a demand that will never be satisfied. Wish I had more......like, a ton more. But that is where "some" of the market is heading.....and hangtabs can be put into the same category.....great early Nintendo product, and very little supply. As for the story.....yes, it's some hype, but only if that kind of stuff hyped you. What hyped me more is trying to still add to an old time collection and lucking out every once in awhile
Originally posted by: Prime2099
 
Originally posted by: Maertens29
 
Originally posted by: Prime2099

The thing that gets me about these 1st print games is that the game itself is the same to every release after that correct? The only difference being that the box is different than subsequent releases?



No, the cartridges also have variations that need to be correctly matched to the box variations.


But the game, the actual gameplay I mean is the same, right? Because I understand the whole 5-screw vs 3 screw thing, which to me is another irrelevant variant because it has nothing to do with the operation of the game itself, which is the point I was trying to make. Also I understand and respect that people are big into the variations for both the boxes and the carts, but these guys spending massive amounts of money for a first print just seems crazy to me. At least I am not the only one who thinks that from reading this thread.


 

Truth bomb of the year 2019 contender right here.
 
Think about it from a comic collector's perspective, or even a book collector's perspective.  The first edition is always worth much more than the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th printing of a book, even though each printing is EXACTLY the same.

 

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Variants are neat but not the end all for me. Take a step back. As a whole, they were always extremely niche. You had your die hards that knew everything, your gamers which didn't care at all and most people were somewhere in between. I've always cared about "major variants" (artwork, hangtab, etc.) but not so much minor stuff. Collectors had varying degrees of knowledge and most reseller knew or cared vary little, unless the difference was very mainstream (like a gold vs. gray Zelda OOT cart).

What happened here (in regards to sticker seals) was they went from being niche to being entirely mainstream where every single person seemed to at least be aware of them, even if they didn't care to own them. New "collectors" got the hype article, old collectors watched the prices and become aware, and even resellers, from the big guys to the mom and pop guys picked up on it.

I personally think the all-time sticker hype high is well behind us at this point. Sure, some people will always desire them but the hype will never be that high. A Mario sticker seems like a good investment, Golf... eh. We were told that this new blood wasn't going to collect like the ways of old. They were going to be first print stuff, big money and really rare, etc. They weren't going to collect sets. Yet here were are, going after sticker sets and paying big money for a perceived rarity within the set, on a title no one would care about otherwise.

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