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What do we really know about NWC carts? Compilation of Information

Dec 10, 2015 at 9:05:15 PM
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Originally posted by: guitarzombie
On that note, im selling my Little Samson cart thats 9/10 for $6,000. Add $5 for flat rate priority shipping.
What? No free shipping?
 

Dec 11, 2015 at 11:22:43 AM
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But in a couple of years it'll be worth triple that! So whats just $5 extra?

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Dec 11, 2015 at 11:36:05 AM
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I'm an American and I shop at Walmart! Give me free shipping or give me death!

Feb 15, 2016 at 9:49:51 PM
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Update to NWC #095 - sold by GameGenie101 back to DreamTR, then sold by DreamTR to currently unknown buyer:

http://vintage.nintendoage.com/fo...

Original auction listing - http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/1119033...

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Apr 27, 2016 at 9:35:44 AM
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So a new NWC Grey has emerged. It's 0085. There's a small back story on the ebay auction page : http://www.ebay.com/itm/262405863...
This is a treasure that arrived at our store on 04/25/2016. It belonged to a person who found it at a collectors typical garage sale 16 years ago.
 

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Apr 27, 2016 at 9:48:20 AM
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#0085 was found at a local garage sale in Cokato, MN 16 years ago is what I heard from the local grape vine.

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Feb 28, 2017 at 5:01:31 PM
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#348 is up on a game wheel on Facebook right now.


Edited: 02/28/2017 at 05:34 PM by Captain Maroney

Mar 7, 2017 at 1:14:51 AM
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Posting here instead of an existing thread where we have been discussing an auction for NWC 348 and the topic of number of NWCs that may have been produced - http://vintage.nintendoage.com/fo...

I hope one day we can confirm the actual number of these carts made. From the numbers we have seen surface, it seems totally possible that around 350 existed at some point (#348 is the highest number to surface).

In an article I read that has some scans of original NWC docs there is language that says "The Competition Arena features 102 game stations in two 'pods' capable of processing 8,500 actual competitors over a 24-hour NWC weekend event". This would seem to indicate that there would need to be at least 102 working NWC carts available at all times. And, as has been mentioned before there would need to be backups available in case one malfunctioned or was lost. Seeing that there have been numbers as high as 348 found, it seems plausible that around that many copies would have been needed to complete the tour to have 102 working copies on hand at all times, the 90 to give to finalists, 26 left over to be gutted to produce the NWC golds, the others that got out that were not intended to, as well as the ones that were ultimately destroyed, broken during the tour, or repurposed for their chips. Howard Phillips' estimate of 150 that made it out to the public seems reasonable based on the the numbers above.

Full article/page referenced above - http://www.nintendoplayer.com/fea...
Section/scan mentioned above - http://www.nintendoplayer.com/fea...

An NA member (Romarquable) posted on the first page of this thread a response he received from a seller who appears to have worked on the tour and when asked about the number of carts produced one part he shared was:

"I witnessed some of the carts being made and I made similar "rom" carts myself. It is kind of like burning a CD, you had to burn the chips individually and often they just didn't work. My theory is that they made around 350 (that is why you see high numbered carts like mine) of them total (including the gold ones which were cannibalized grey carts) and only about 135 or so made it out of the building. We used a fair amount of them on the tour and they often got broken with all of the loading in and out."

This doesn't prove anything but does support the ideas I presented above that original production numbers may have needed to be around the number we have seen surfaced.

In the auction thread I referenced at the start of this post I wanted to reply to a couple comments made by JosephLeo and Myblackamex.

JosephLeo this 350ish number is in line with your thinking of 350-400 and what I have seen others post. Myblackamex, you shared that the number of carts produced likely matches the numbers we have seen surface, so again, 350 seems reasonable. Plus you mentioned the likelihood that all the numbers were sequenced. Given that there are plenty of known copies in direct sequence and/or within a couple numbers of one another and there are still many to be found I think the carts were sequentially numbered and not random or in intervals greater than 1.

Related to numbering, the one thing that leaves a question in my mind is why the carts are numbered using four digits. We have yet to see a cart numbered above 348, which is technically copy number 0348. The current one for auction is 0020. So there is a four digit numbering system. This was either intentional or a mistake like how it has been found that the Myriads are numbered with extra zeros.

The only source of information that seems to address this was in the same article I referenced above, where it is mentioned by Rich Ambler, a 1990 Nintendo World Championship Tampa Bay Finalist in the 12-17 age group and Runner-Up Hollywood in the 12-17 age group: ..."The original pool of competition carts numbered at 1,200 to accommodate the need for more tournament stations for larger cities such as Dallas, etc. The remaining pool of carts was recycled/reprogrammed for use in the Campus Challenge after which most of (but not all) were stored or destroyed by Nintendo of America. So, in reflection, it is possible to see a cart numbered at 0076 and another at 227 or more".

Just wanted to share that info above as part of the discussion. However, I'm not really sure that it is true since we haven't seen any NWCs above 348, and that the scanned original documentation in the article said that only 102 game stations were set up at a time (which could accommodate 8,500 competitors over a weekend). Not thinking Dallas would require more game stations and thus more carts, or that Nintendo would have produced more stations to accommodate.

Really didn't mean for this post to be this long but wanted to share this information and further the conversation. As I stated in the first lines of my response, I really hope one day we can confirm the actual number of carts that were produced, how many were destroyed or repurposed, and get an idea of how many are actually still out there. If you have info or can dig anything up please share it here.

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Edited: 03/07/2017 at 10:13 AM by xjwebb1982

Mar 7, 2017 at 1:38:57 AM
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Originally posted by: xjwebb1982

Related to numbering, the one thing that leaves a question in my mind is why the carts are numbered using four digits. We have yet to see a cart numbered above 348, which is technically copy number 0348. The current one for auction is 0020. So there is a four digit numbering system. This was either intentional or a mistake like how it has been found that the Myriads are numbered with extra zeros.





I'm not entirely sure how the labels were printed, but generally when doing a sequence like this the software will default to a certain number of digits. Could just be they didn't bother to or know how to change it? Just throwing it out there, I ain't no NWC expert by any means  

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Mar 7, 2017 at 9:47:11 AM
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Originally posted by: xjwebb1982

In an article I read that has some scans of original NWC docs there is language that says "The Competition Arena features 102 game stations in two 'pods' capable of processing 8,500 actual competitors over a 24-hour NWC weekend event". This would seem to indicate that there would need to be at least 102 working NWC carts available at all times. And, as has been mentioned before there would need to be backups available in case one malfunctioned or was lost. Seeing that there have been numbers as high as 348 found, it seems plausible that many copies would have been needed to complete the tour to have 102 working copies on hand at all times, the 90 to give to finalists, 26 left over to be gutted to produce the NWC golds, the others that got out that were not intended to, as well as the ones that were ultimately destroyed, broken during the tour, or repurposed for their chips. Howard Phillips' estimate of 150 that made it out to the public seems reasonable based on the the numbers above.
 
Given that, my guess would either be on 350 or 400, exactly, having been made originally.
(leaning toward 400, since that is a rounder number to send to production)


Though the existence of 1200, originally, mentioned in relation to Rich Ambler sounds pretty plausible, as well.
(i.e. multiple batches of maybe 400 that were moved around to the different tournament locations, and only one of those batches was retained for the finals and eventual distribution to winners/participants)

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Edited: 03/07/2017 at 09:50 AM by arch_8ngel

Apr 12, 2017 at 11:43:43 AM
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Here's #0261

http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...

Also, maybe this might help track them a little too?

Big gap between #21 and #55...who wants to bet that's where they got the 26 to gut and turn into gold NWCs  
 
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Edited: 04/12/2017 at 11:58 AM by PowerPlayers

Apr 12, 2017 at 8:28:13 PM
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That's a cool visual aid, Jose, never thought of it that way but it works for my brain anyway.

And if what Arch said about multiple batches of 400 being possibly produced, we would likely see some numbers in private hands twice eventually, unless they kept each batch totally separated and release everything known today from only the NWC finals set. With these being quite valuable for so long and so few known as of yet, I'm leaning towards the latter or only 350-400 produced in total.

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Jun 23, 2017 at 6:41:35 AM
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If one wanted to buy an NWC cart, would they be able to contact one of the known owners of one? Is their contact info known or can we only do that if they're a member of this forum?

Sep 4, 2017 at 7:30:23 PM
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NWC # 0057 has surfaced and there is an NWC gold that was picked up by the same member for $2 at a flea market (date unknown) - http://vintage.nintendoage.com/fo...

Please add these to the list.

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Sep 7, 2017 at 11:23:50 PM
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#0165 has changed hands. It's now with me  

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Sep 7, 2017 at 11:48:34 PM
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Originally posted by: ninjistar

#0165 has changed hands. It's now with me  





Congrats!!! Pretty sure that was someone's and then Gwyndion's copy and then that recent auction by DreamTR. The important part is that it's a very nice copy and you won't be having buyer's remorse and seeking an upgrade. Glad it's in a collector's possession and happy for you. Awesome grab, Man!

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Edited: 09/07/2017 at 11:50 PM by xjwebb1982

Sep 8, 2017 at 12:00:04 AM
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Originally posted by: xjwebb1982
 
Originally posted by: ninjistar

#0165 has changed hands. It's now with me  



Congrats!!! Pretty sure that was someone's and then Gwyndion's copy and then that recent auction by DreamTR. The important part is that it's a very nice copy and you won't be having buyer's remorse and seeking an upgrade. Glad it's in a collector's possession and happy for you. Awesome grab, Man!
Thanks!

The lineage, as I understand it is: David Moreton (finalist) -> skylersz -> B.A. -> Gwyndion -> DreamTR -> ninjistar

Yes, it is definitely in the hands of a collector and is a very nice copy! Maybe someday I'll get a gold cart! For now, though, this is really great. I attended the NWC 1990 event and was encouraged to compete, but I was too chicken! I would have been in the 12-17 age group. I so wish I had played! The nostalgia is super heavy for me with this, which is why I sought it out. It will definitely be a cherished part of my collection!

EDIT: here's some eye candy because... who doesn't love eye candy?!


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Edited: 09/08/2017 at 12:39 AM by ninjistar

Sep 8, 2017 at 12:20:32 AM
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Also, I have info on #0348 if anyone is interested.

EDIT: here is the link with info that was posted here earlier this year in 2016. Holy crap, I didn't realize it had been that long! I have photos of this cart, some with a name/time stamp from the reseller, some without. I can watermark them and share if there is interest.

http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...

EDIT: Photos I received from the seller (edited / watermarked)



 

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Edited: 09/08/2017 at 02:15 AM by ninjistar

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Jan 11 at 3:11:27 PM
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Cart #333 listed on eBay - not sure if I've seen that one before and don't see it on the list in this thread. If anyone has info please share. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/...

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Jan 11 at 7:31:11 PM
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That's a new number for us. That doesn't happen very often!

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For whoever is in the market... https://old.reddit.com/r/gamecoll...

I am assuming this is 328U on the list? Don't see a U on the label but it's got a broken front like the 328U...

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Nice, they keep coming out of the woodwork. Poor cart front though, that's a bummer.

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Originally posted by: jonebone

Nice, they keep coming out of the woodwork. Poor cart front though, that's a bummer.


Not a new one, I already have it in my database.

But still cool to see it show up again! Much better picture than what I already have as well.



Edit: Here'e an old video of the actual cartridge in action. Owned by Dave Morton, I guess this is him selling it via consignment.






 


Edited: 05/30/2019 at 02:27 PM by PowerPlayers

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Originally posted by: PowerPlayers
 
Originally posted by: jonebone

Nice, they keep coming out of the woodwork. Poor cart front though, that's a bummer.


Not a new one, I already have it in my database.

But still cool to see it show up again! Much better picture than what I already have as well.



Edit: Here'e an old video of the actual cartridge in action. Owned by Dave Morton, I guess this is him selling it via consignment.

 
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