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Running List of Dumped NES Protos Because I like to keep up with this myself.

Jun 13, 2013 at 12:51:47 PM
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cool, thanks yeah i just stumbled upon this thread .. other places refer to it being out there somewhere .. its prob buried deep on the internet somewhere  ... but yeah the best way is gonna be to get a repro and dump it. if i can even find one of those ha ! looks like they pop up on ebay from time to time.

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Jun 13, 2013 at 12:53:31 PM
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It'd be nice to have a checksum of those dumped games, that way in case another one surfaces and gets dumped you can cross reference to see if it's different in any way.

For example, a 0.8 version of Game X won't have the same cheksum of a 0.9 version of a game, and likewise for the final 1.0 version.

Jun 13, 2013 at 1:49:11 PM
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Originally posted by: JosephLeo

For example, a 0.8 version of Game X won't have the same cheksum of a 0.9 version of a game, and likewise for the final 1.0 version.

Unfortunately, protos don't always follow those rules.  For example:

The Lost Levels released a proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00
I have a different proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00

The differences between the two ROMs when comparing the checksum of each?
7,777

Protos be weird...

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Jun 13, 2013 at 2:07:42 PM
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Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: JosephLeo

For example, a 0.8 version of Game X won't have the same cheksum of a 0.9 version of a game, and likewise for the final 1.0 version.

Unfortunately, protos don't always follow those rules.  For example:

The Lost Levels released a proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00
I have a different proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00

The differences between the two ROMs when comparing the checksum of each?
7,777

Protos be weird...

Dang...then just out of curiousity. Is it common practice for most proto collectors to dump their proto even if they don't share it?

I mean, for something like these- all it takes is just one flipped bit to be gone forever, right?

Jun 13, 2013 at 2:13:26 PM
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I have all my NES protos privately backed up for safe keeping. Plus I can play them on my modded Wii. 1 bad bit would not necessarily kill the whole proto.

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Jun 13, 2013 at 2:19:46 PM
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Originally posted by: JosephLeo

Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: JosephLeo

For example, a 0.8 version of Game X won't have the same cheksum of a 0.9 version of a game, and likewise for the final 1.0 version.

Unfortunately, protos don't always follow those rules.  For example:

The Lost Levels released a proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00
I have a different proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00

The differences between the two ROMs when comparing the checksum of each?
7,777

Protos be weird...

Dang...then just out of curiousity. Is it common practice for most proto collectors to dump their proto even if they don't share it?

I mean, for something like these- all it takes is just one flipped bit to be gone forever, right?


I want to dump mine for safe keepings but getting or renting a CopyNES has been a very frustrating situation and so far I'm empty handed. Hopefully Retrozone will have them in stock soon so I can buy one.

I find it funny how people want you to dump roms so they can play them but they won't help out in getting the roms dumped. I will be keeping my Ninja Gaiden roms private once I have them backed up.


Edited: 06/13/2013 at 02:21 PM by Shane

Jun 13, 2013 at 3:26:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Shane

I find it funny how people want you to dump roms so they can play them but they won't help out in getting the roms dumped. I will be keeping my Ninja Gaiden roms private once I have them backed up.

If you're expecting something in return for doing this sort of thing, you're going to be disappointed no matter what. It's thankless expensive work and at best you'll get a couple "cool, thanks!" replies to a forums thread.

I don't do this for the here and now, I do this because I have no way of knowing what's going to be important to archivists and historians 50 years from now, and I don't want games to die because I was too lazy or expectant in my lifetime to do something about it. That's motivation enough for me.

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Jun 13, 2013 at 3:37:50 PM
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Originally posted by: TheRedEye

Originally posted by: Shane

I find it funny how people want you to dump roms so they can play them but they won't help out in getting the roms dumped. I will be keeping my Ninja Gaiden roms private once I have them backed up.

If you're expecting something in return for doing this sort of thing, you're going to be disappointed no matter what. It's thankless expensive work and at best you'll get a couple "cool, thanks!" replies to a forums thread.

I don't do this for the here and now, I do this because I have no way of knowing what's going to be important to archivists and historians 50 years from now, and I don't want games to die because I was too lazy or expectant in my lifetime to do something about it. That's motivation enough for me.


After putting in all of the work and dedication to get the protos I have a new found respect for guys like yourself that have done the same thing.

If I were to release the roms I would expect nothing in return.

Jun 14, 2013 at 7:59:35 AM
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Originally posted by: JosephLeo

Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: JosephLeo

For example, a 0.8 version of Game X won't have the same cheksum of a 0.9 version of a game, and likewise for the final 1.0 version.

Unfortunately, protos don't always follow those rules.  For example:

The Lost Levels released a proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00
I have a different proto of Robin Hood the Legend of Sherwood Forest v1.00

The differences between the two ROMs when comparing the checksum of each?
7,777

Protos be weird...

Dang...then just out of curiousity. Is it common practice for most proto collectors to dump their proto even if they don't share it?

I mean, for something like these- all it takes is just one flipped bit to be gone forever, right?

Depends on the collector I suppose.  Matt and I got involved in proto collecting primarily for preservation, so of course every proto we've owned has been backed up.

Shane:  Easier said than done.  Once you get into dumping unreleased games, spending thousands and dumping for free, knowing that the value of the proto drops dramatically in value after doing so, you'll understand how difficult it is.  Hard on the wallet and heart, and nearly thankless.


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Jun 14, 2013 at 1:17:20 PM
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Thankfully a member here is letting me borrow his NES which has a copynes installed so I can back my protos up. But yeah these bad boys will stay in my private collection for the time being. I don't have plans of dumping them to the masses.

Jun 14, 2013 at 5:38:45 PM
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Cool, thanks for letting us know I guess? Enjoy your games.

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Jun 14, 2013 at 5:41:33 PM
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Originally posted by: TheRedEye

Cool, thanks for letting us know I guess? Enjoy your games.

I know some members were hoping I would dump them and I just wanted to be clear about my intentions.

Tell everyone over at lostlevels I said hi

Jul 3, 2013 at 9:51:37 PM
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Has the ROM for War on Wheels been released yet? I really want to play through it to see if there's credits.

Jul 3, 2013 at 9:59:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Doommaster1994

Has the ROM for War on Wheels been released yet? I really want to play through it to see if there's credits.

What is it that you want to see?  I also own a proto of War on Wheels, I think it is the same build as the one that was repro'd.  I can search the credits if you'd like.


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Jul 3, 2013 at 10:10:50 PM
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I just wanted a ROM of it at least. I'd probably be able to rip an NSF file of it, too. I know Paul Webb is the composer. I'm just wondering if the game has a staff list. Sculptured's other Jaleco title (MetalMech) did.

Jul 16, 2013 at 11:23:38 AM
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Can someone point me in the direction of the Mega Man 3 Proto? And where it was dumped?

thanks

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Jul 16, 2013 at 3:03:13 PM
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Originally posted by: TheBorger

Can someone point me in the direction of the Mega Man 3 Proto? And where it was dumped?

thanks


Where it was dumped? What do you mean? Like, what website?

We didn't really have one back then, it was the group that eventually spawned Lost Levels. I think we were more or less a ROM release group calling ourselves FeFeA at the time. This would have been...99? 2000? It was probably dumped by Kevtris.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure the only difference is a palette bug that happens during the "Mega Man got X power" screens, it isn't very exciting. But we were pretty excited at the time to finally outbid a collector on a prototype and get the ROM out there like the little ROM release pirates that we were. Yarrrr!

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Edited: 07/16/2013 at 03:05 PM by TheRedEye

Jul 16, 2013 at 4:15:19 PM
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Mark and Matt are dumping 30+ games of mine very soon.

I'll post em up once I get em!

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Jul 16, 2013 at 7:17:15 PM
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Originally posted by: TheRedEye

Originally posted by: TheBorger

Can someone point me in the direction of the Mega Man 3 Proto? And where it was dumped?

thanks


Where it was dumped? What do you mean? Like, what website?

We didn't really have one back then, it was the group that eventually spawned Lost Levels. I think we were more or less a ROM release group calling ourselves FeFeA at the time. This would have been...99? 2000? It was probably dumped by Kevtris.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure the only difference is a palette bug that happens during the "Mega Man got X power" screens, it isn't very exciting. But we were pretty excited at the time to finally outbid a collector on a prototype and get the ROM out there like the little ROM release pirates that we were. Yarrrr!

TheRedEye,

    Yea I read more on this, after I asked the question. Was just looking for the rom that was dumped

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Jul 17, 2013 at 9:14:53 PM
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Qixmaster -- What games?

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Jul 17, 2013 at 9:20:17 PM
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I think another section should be undumped ones too.... like Ultimate Journey which I have wanted to play for eons...

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Jul 18, 2013 at 12:03:59 PM
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Originally posted by: thesubcon3

I think another section should be undumped ones too.... like Ultimate Journey which I have wanted to play for eons...


I don't know if we should categorize something that hasn't been found yet as "undumped." If so then that list is somewhere in the 200-400 range, depending on whether you want to count the rumor-only stuff and the games that were announced but never shown.

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Jul 18, 2013 at 12:58:41 PM
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Originally posted by: thankyouforfu

Qixmaster -- What games?

NES
dragon warrior
ducktales 2
ninja gaiden 2 early build
+ many more... some may already be dumped as I think some used to belong to frank.

Also -

Ninja Gaiden Lynx
Mega Man Game Gear
pile of Game Boy Games
every cool spot game for every system - except game gear
Zombies Ate my Neighbors Genesis
Double Dragon Genesis
John Madden Football Genesis
and countless others - I can't remember.



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Jul 18, 2013 at 5:37:28 PM
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Originally posted by: TheRedEye

Originally posted by: thesubcon3

I think another section should be undumped ones too.... like Ultimate Journey which I have wanted to play for eons...


I don't know if we should categorize something that hasn't been found yet as "undumped." If so then that list is somewhere in the 200-400 range, depending on whether you want to count the rumor-only stuff and the games that were announced but never shown.





That could be another cool thread all on its own!

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Jul 18, 2013 at 5:40:55 PM
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Originally posted by: qixmaster

Originally posted by: thankyouforfu

Qixmaster -- What games?

NES
dragon warrior
ducktales 2
ninja gaiden 2 early build
+ many more... some may already be dumped as I think some used to belong to frank.

Also -

Ninja Gaiden Lynx
Mega Man Game Gear
pile of Game Boy Games
every cool spot game for every system - except game gear
Zombies Ate my Neighbors Genesis
Double Dragon Genesis
John Madden Football Genesis
and countless others - I can't remember.

 


What's the date on the NG2 build?