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Sep 4, 2010 at 7:50:53 PM
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I didn't know they were anything special until i saw the gotcha thread so i started looking through my nes games and found these.

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Sep 4, 2010 at 7:54:04 PM
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Generally speaking, they arent a great big deal. When the NES came out, the 5 screw format was used. They later switched over (for a number of reasons, kids swapping out PCBs and returning them to the stores, other strange reasons ive heard over the years). There are certain ones that are unusual for using the format, but im not really up on which is which. I never did really get into that end of collecting.

Sep 4, 2010 at 7:58:42 PM
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Originally posted by: albailey

I'll transcribe the Oct ezine article into an HTML table.

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Title5 Screw3 ScrewRelative RarityWhich is Rarer
10-Yard FightYesYes23 Screw
1942YesYes43 Screw
3-D Battles of World Runner, TheYesYes33 Screw
Alpha MissionYesYes85 Screw
ArkanoidYesYes33 Screw
AthenaYesYes43 Screw
Athletic WorldYesYes35 Screw
Balloon FightYesYes73 Screw
BaseballYesYes23 Screw
BreakthruYesYes45 Screw
BurgerTimeYesYes45 Screw
CastlevaniaYesYes45 Screw
Chubby CherubYesNoNANA
Clu Clu LandYesNoNANA
CommandoYesYes35 Screw
Deadly TowersYesYes45 Screw
Devil World*YesNoNANA
Donkey KongYesYes103 screw
Donkey Kong Jr.YesYes103 Screw
Donkey Kong Jr. MathYesNoNANA
Donkey Kong3YesYes3 Screw
Double DribbleYesYes55 Screw
Duck HuntYesYes13 Screw
Elevator ActionYesYes45 Screw
ExcitebikeYesYes23 Screw
Ghosts 'n GoblinsYesYes45 Screw
GolfYesYes13 Screw
Goonies II, TheYesYes25 Screw
GradiusYesYes55 Screw
GumshoeYesYes53 Screw
GyromiteYesYes103 Screw
Hogan's AlleyYesYes43 Screw
Ice ClimberYesYes63 Screw
Ikari WarriorsYesYes25 Screw
Karate ChampYesYes23 Screw
Kid IcarusYesYes45 Screw
Kid Niki: Radical NinjaYesYes55 Screw
Kung FuYesYes13 Screw
Legend of Kage, TheYesYes25 Screw
Legend of Zelda, TheYesYes65 Screw
Lode RunnerYesYes73 Screw
Lunar PoolYesYes65 Screw
M.U.S.C.L.E. - Tag Team MatchYesNoNANA
Mach RiderYesYes33 Screw
Mah Jong*YesNoNANA
Mario Bros., The OriginalYesYes73 Screw
Mega ManYesYes105 Screw
MetroidYesYes55 Screw
Mighty BombjackYesYes53 Screw
Ninja KidYesYes83 Screw
PinballYesYes23 Screw
PopeyeYesYes33 Screw
Pro WrestlingYesYes23 Screw
Rad RacerYesYes55 Screw
Raid on Bungeling BayYesYes43 Screw
Ring KingYesYes55 Screw
Rush'n AttackYesYes55 Screw
RygarYesYes25 Screw
Section-ZYesYes53 Screw
Sky KidYesYes63 Screw
SlalomYesYes63 Screw
SoccerYesYes93 Screw
Solomon's KeyYesYes53 Screw
SpelunkerYesYes53 Screw
Spy HunterYesYes55 Screw
SqoonYesNoNANA
Stack-UpYesNoNANA
Star ForceYesYes105 Screw
Star VoyagerYesYes55 Screw
StingerYesNoNANA
Super Mario Bros.YesYes25 Screw
Super PitfallYesYes85 Screw
Tag Team WrestlingYesYes23 Screw
TennisYesYes73 Screw
Tiger-HeliYesYes45 Screw
Top GunYesYes45 Screw
Track & FieldYesYes45 Screw
TrojanYesYes33 Screw
Urban ChampionYesYes73 Screw
VolleyballYesYes93 Screw
Wild GunmanYesYes63 Screw
Winter GamesYesYes55 Screw
Wizards & WarriorsYesYes65 Screw
Wrecking CrewYesYes63 Screw
ZanacYesYes45 Screw





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Sep 4, 2010 at 8:18:30 PM
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Sep 4, 2010 at 8:23:56 PM
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That chart is missing the 3-screw DK Jr Math and now Gotcha

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Sep 4, 2010 at 9:04:25 PM
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Volume 3 - Issue #8
Volume 3 - Issue #8

Volume 3 Issue 8: August 2009

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  • 1 / COVER by Kevin Hanley
  • 2-3 / DAN LANGEVIN variation station v2
  • 3 / ZIGGY ZIEGLER comparing baselines
  • 4-5 / PAT GALLAGHER not for resale carts
  • 11-14 / DAN LANGEVIN/JASON SMITH warbotics
  • 15-16 / MICHAEL SWANSON moving a collection
  • 6-10 NINTENDOAGE PRICE GUIDE by Dangevin

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Sep 4, 2010 at 9:04:39 PM
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Looks like that list has some updating to do

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Sep 4, 2010 at 9:08:34 PM
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That chart is also missing 5-screw Mike Tyson's Punch Out, and to my knowledge, 3-screw Soccer and 3-screw Gumshoe have yet to be confirmed. 

Sep 4, 2010 at 9:50:17 PM
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^Agreed. I don't think either of those in 3-screw form have been found yet. Keeps me looking!

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Title5 Screw3 ScrewRelative RarityWhich is Rarer
10-Yard FightYesYes23 Screw
1942YesYes43 Screw
3-D Battles of World Runner, TheYesYes33 Screw
Alpha MissionYesYes85 Screw
ArkanoidYesYes33 Screw
AthenaYesYes43 Screw
Athletic WorldYesYes35 Screw
Balloon FightYesYes73 Screw
BaseballYesYes23 Screw
BreakthruYesYes45 Screw
BurgerTimeYesYes45 Screw
CastlevaniaYesYes45 Screw
Chubby CherubYesNoNANA
Clu Clu LandYesNoNANA
CommandoYesYes35 Screw
Deadly TowersYesYes45 Screw
Devil WorldYesNoNANA
Donkey KongYesYes103 screw
Donkey Kong Jr.YesYes103 Screw
Donkey Kong Jr. MathYesYes105 Screw
Donkey Kong3YesYes3 Screw
Double DribbleYesYes55 Screw
Duck HuntYesYes13 Screw
Elevator ActionYesYes45 Screw
ExcitebikeYesYes23 Screw
Ghosts 'n GoblinsYesYes45 Screw
GolfYesYes13 Screw
Goonies II, TheYesYes25 Screw
GotchaYesYes105 Screw
GradiusYesYes55 Screw
GumshoeYesNA53 Screw
GyromiteYesYes103 Screw
Hogan's AlleyYesYes43 Screw
Ice ClimberYesYes63 Screw
Ikari WarriorsYesYes25 Screw
JawsYesYesNA5 Screw
Karate ChampYesYes23 Screw
Kid IcarusYesYes45 Screw
Kid Niki: Radical NinjaYesYes55 Screw
Kung FuYesYes13 Screw
Legend of Kage, TheYesYes25 Screw
Legend of Zelda, TheYesYes65 Screw
Lode RunnerYesYes73 Screw
Lunar PoolYesYes65 Screw
M.U.S.C.L.E. - Tag Team MatchYesNoNANA
Mach RiderYesYes33 Screw
Mah JongYesNoNANA
Mario Bros., The OriginalYesYes73 Screw
Mega ManYesYes105 Screw
MetroidYesYes55 Screw
Mighty BombjackYesYes53 Screw
Mike Tyson's Punch OutYesYes105 Screw
Ninja KidYesYes83 Screw
PinballYesYes23 Screw
PopeyeYesYes33 Screw
Pro WrestlingYesYes23 Screw
Rad RacerYesYes55 Screw
Raid on Bungeling BayYesYes43 Screw
Ring KingYesYes55 Screw
Rush'n AttackYesYes55 Screw
RygarYesYes25 Screw
Section-ZYesYes53 Screw
Sky KidYesYes63 Screw
SlalomYesYes63 Screw
SoccerYesNA93 Screw
Solomon's KeyYesYes53 Screw
SpelunkerYesYes53 Screw
Spy HunterYesYes55 Screw
SqoonYesNoNANA
Stack-UpYesNoNANA
Star ForceYesYes105 Screw
Star VoyagerYesYes55 Screw
StingerYesNoNANA
Super Mario Bros.YesYes25 Screw
Super PitfallYesYes85 Screw
Tag Team WrestlingYesYes23 Screw
TennisYesYes73 Screw
Tiger-HeliYesYes45 Screw
Top GunYesYes45 Screw
Track & FieldYesYes45 Screw
TrojanYesYes33 Screw
Urban ChampionYesYes73 Screw
VolleyballYesYes93 Screw
Wild GunmanYesYes63 Screw
Winter GamesYesYes55 Screw
Wizards & WarriorsYesYes65 Screw
Wrecking CrewYesYes63 Screw
ZanacYesYes45 Screw

Updated 9/5/2010

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Edited: 09/05/2010 at 08:23 PM by elitewombat

Sep 4, 2010 at 11:17:47 PM
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Originally posted by: elitewombat

Title5 Screw3 ScrewRelative RarityWhich is Rarer
10-Yard FightYesYes23 Screw
1942YesYes43 Screw
3-D Battles of World Runner, TheYesYes33 Screw
Alpha MissionYesYes85 Screw
ArkanoidYesYes33 Screw
AthenaYesYes43 Screw
Athletic WorldYesYes35 Screw
Balloon FightYesYes73 Screw
BaseballYesYes23 Screw
BreakthruYesYes45 Screw
BurgerTimeYesYes45 Screw
CastlevaniaYesYes45 Screw
Chubby CherubYesNoNANA
Clu Clu LandYesNoNANA
CommandoYesYes35 Screw
Deadly TowersYesYes45 Screw
Devil World*YesNoNANA
Donkey KongYesYes103 screw
Donkey Kong Jr.YesYes103 Screw
Donkey Kong Jr. MathYesYesNANA
Donkey Kong3YesYes3 Screw
Double DribbleYesYes55 Screw
Duck HuntYesYes13 Screw
Elevator ActionYesYes45 Screw
ExcitebikeYesYes23 Screw
Ghosts 'n GoblinsYesYes45 Screw
GolfYesYes13 Screw
Goonies II, TheYesYes25 Screw
GotchaYesYesNA3 Screw
GradiusYesYes55 Screw
GumshoeYesNA53 Screw
GyromiteYesYes103 Screw
Hogan's AlleyYesYes43 Screw
Ice ClimberYesYes63 Screw
Ikari WarriorsYesYes25 Screw
Karate ChampYesYes23 Screw
Kid IcarusYesYes45 Screw
Kid Niki: Radical NinjaYesYes55 Screw
Kung FuYesYes13 Screw
Legend of Kage, TheYesYes25 Screw
Legend of Zelda, TheYesYes65 Screw
Lode RunnerYesYes73 Screw
Lunar PoolYesYes65 Screw
M.U.S.C.L.E. - Tag Team MatchYesNoNANA
Mach RiderYesYes33 Screw
Mah Jong*YesNoNANA
Mario Bros., The OriginalYesYes73 Screw
Mega ManYesYes105 Screw
MetroidYesYes55 Screw
Mighty BombjackYesYes53 Screw
Mike Tyson's Punch OutYesYesNA5 Screw
Ninja KidYesYes83 Screw
PinballYesYes23 Screw
PopeyeYesYes33 Screw
Pro WrestlingYesYes23 Screw
Rad RacerYesYes55 Screw
Raid on Bungeling BayYesYes43 Screw
Ring KingYesYes55 Screw
Rush'n AttackYesYes55 Screw
RygarYesYes25 Screw
Section-ZYesYes53 Screw
Sky KidYesYes63 Screw
SlalomYesYes63 Screw
SoccerYesNA93 Screw
Solomon's KeyYesYes53 Screw
SpelunkerYesYes53 Screw
Spy HunterYesYes55 Screw
SqoonYesNoNANA
Stack-UpYesNoNANA
Star ForceYesYes105 Screw
Star VoyagerYesYes55 Screw
StingerYesNoNANA
Super Mario Bros.YesYes25 Screw
Super PitfallYesYes85 Screw
Tag Team WrestlingYesYes23 Screw
TennisYesYes73 Screw
Tiger-HeliYesYes45 Screw
Top GunYesYes45 Screw
Track & FieldYesYes45 Screw
TrojanYesYes33 Screw
Urban ChampionYesYes73 Screw
VolleyballYesYes93 Screw
Wild GunmanYesYes63 Screw
Winter GamesYesYes55 Screw
Wizards & WarriorsYesYes65 Screw
Wrecking CrewYesYes63 Screw
ZanacYesYes45 Screw

Updated - Let me know if anything on it needs to be changed.





Pm'd you about 5-screw Jaws and a few other things.  Some of the relative rarities are out of whack,
but Dangevin would be the one to help you with that.


Sep 4, 2010 at 11:22:04 PM
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So what exactly is the big deal really with screws making up such a big deal with collectors? Were there just so few done one way, then another for mass production? I got a good many of those games on the list that may be rare or not, have to check. I can report back.

Sep 4, 2010 at 11:37:18 PM
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Originally posted by: Tanooki

So what exactly is the big deal really with screws making up such a big deal with collectors? Were there just so few done one way, then another for mass production? I got a good many of those games on the list that may be rare or not, have to check. I can report back.


Dangevin's article in the 2009 August Ezine is an excellent starting point.  He provided the link a few posts above. 

Sep 5, 2010 at 12:00:26 AM
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Sigh more reading and it doesn't actually answer the question. It just covers the fact some carts have variants of 3 or 5 screw and in some cases one has more or less than the other to a point. I was asking why some have one or the other if someone was aware. Like I said, hitting a standard/mass production style?

Either way I have some of them. 3screw-Pro Wrestling, the rest are all 5screw and they are: 3D World Runner, Burgertime, Castlevania, Commando, Ghosts n Goblins, Gradius, Metroid, Rush'n Attack, Spy Hunter, SMB, and Top Gun. Burgertime above gets a 4, but that e-zine list says a 6. Guess things change.

Sep 5, 2010 at 12:09:23 AM
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Yes, the changeover in production from the initial "style" to the Rev-A molds and boxes had a definite date, and production of games that straddled that date affects whether there is a variant or not.

Some games were phasing out around that time (ie DK Jr Math), others just beginning (ie Mega Man). These are the rare ones in one form only.

It matters to collectors for the same reasons why boxes and books matter, or label variants, or errors, or anything else. It's just something different to extend the collecting timeline past just having one of every title.

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Sep 5, 2010 at 12:28:43 AM
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Thanks for the straight answer, did not know of set style they moved to. I'd guess it's probably that 3-screw type as all those later units have that snap tab thing at the top at both ends. Cheaper to have molded plastic than dealing with 2 extra screws I suppose.

Sep 5, 2010 at 12:35:19 AM
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And they changed the type of screws that were used. Check your 5-screw games; see the screws? You can remove them with a small flathead screwdriver. Now check your 3-screw games; can't use the flathead for those. You have to get a security bit (which is a good thing to have as a collector, anyways). They changed them for security and piracy reasons.

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Sep 5, 2010 at 1:20:40 AM
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Originally posted by: nothingface023

And they changed the type of screws that were used. Check your 5-screw games; see the screws? You can remove them with a small flathead screwdriver. Now check your 3-screw games; can't use the flathead for those. You have to get a security bit (which is a good thing to have as a collector, anyways). They changed them for security and piracy reasons.

Not completely true:  after 5-screw carts were phased out, some 3-screw carts actually had flathead screws for a short while (probably about 6 months or so).  If I recall correctly, it was sometime in early to mid-1988 when the security screws were phased in.

Edit:  As a matter of fact, if the carts have never been tampered with, I'd almost be willing to bet every one of the 3-screw variant carts with relative rarity of 9 or higher has flathead screws.  Probably most of the 8's, as well.

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Sep 5, 2010 at 1:29:36 AM
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Originally posted by: mb7241


Edit:  As a matter of fact, if the carts have never been tampered with, I'd almost be willing to bet every one of the 3-screw variant carts with relative rarity of 9 or higher has flathead screws.  Probably most of the 8's, as well.


I can confirm this with all the "rare" 3-screw variants that have passed through my hands. While the security screw changeover may have been part of the Rev-A plan, it wasn't implemented at the same time as the cart plastic changeover.

Likewise, we can apply this to the hangtab punches for box production. It's too close to the changeover to be happenstance and is obviously part of the revision plan, but was likely the first thing to be phased out officially, which is why we can't confirm hangtab boxes for certain games that have rare 3-screw variants.

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Wow spawned a decent debate here. I knew of the security bits and I really need to get off my ass and get one as I'm relegated now to buying shit from the damn swap meet unless I want to get boned by ebay idiots with their shipping shenanigans or what not so I'd like to be able to gut and clean things.

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Matt, Dan - I'm sorry you guys!! You're right, the screw change didn't happen at the same time. I never knew that, but now I do.  My 3-screw Volleyball does have the flathead screws.

Sorry for the confusion, just trying to help.  Thanks for clearing that up!!

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^ yea i also need a security bit.

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Sep 5, 2010 at 12:48:10 PM
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Originally posted by: dangevin

Originally posted by: mb7241


Edit:  As a matter of fact, if the carts have never been tampered with, I'd almost be willing to bet every one of the 3-screw variant carts with relative rarity of 9 or higher has flathead screws.  Probably most of the 8's, as well.


I can confirm this with all the "rare" 3-screw variants that have passed through my hands. While the security screw changeover may have been part of the Rev-A plan, it wasn't implemented at the same time as the cart plastic changeover.




Does this mean we have a varient on the varient? 3 screw with flat head screws vs. 3 screw security bits. If so, it is just another thing for me to look for while I am browsing for new games.

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I just picked up a copy of Soccer last week that is 3 screw. It is -CAN though so I dont know if it counts the same as a USA release. If it does count I can pop up some pics to confirm it though.

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Canadian variants aren't the same rarity as us ones i've seen a few soccers CAN no us

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