Some people wanna be ninjas!

Realistically, there is nothing preventing you from owning the carts for the games you play on your xbox emulator.

The fact that it has an O.S. doesn't neccessarily mean it's software emulating everything.. Although it might be.

Everything I read seems to claim it still uses hardware emulation, but I can't find anything definitive.

If it is using software emulation, then 100% compatibility should be achievable, correct?

Pretty sure I have NES, SNES, GBA, and Genesis emulators that will play any rom I throw at them.

Thats because you haven't thrown the right roms at them yet
Try dumping some wacky pirate multicart with copynes and then playing it on an android emulator, you probably won't get any result.
Licensed NES games mostly stick to a select few mappers, but even licensed FC games have a whole bunch. The pirates are enumerable.
Emulators seem to have a horible time with some famicom games like Thexder, Takeshi's Castle 2 (although I think this one may just not have any good rom file)..
The Waixing carts they are pumping out these days,

Eh, I don't really care if the multicarts or pirates don't work...

But licensed games such as Castlevania 3 have been a problem in the past. The same goes with Mega Man X2, X3, Super Mario RPG, Yoshi's Island, and Starfox 1&2.

I would very much like to see those games work


Edit: I also believe that their "100% compatibility" goal would only pertain to licensed titles. Why would they take the time to make sure every crazy obscure homebrew / bootleg title would work? That would be extremely difficult, for all of the reasons you stated above

I've tried emulation and the collector and retro gamer inside of me just doesn't feel right doing it. Not because it's "illegal" or whatever, but because I'm a collector and enjoy having the games in their physical form and displaying them along with the systems I own, to me it just feels right. I love playing on my big screen with the actual controllers that go with the systems and feeling the cart go into the machine and looking at my collection of gems as I keep adding to them. It's just one of those feelings.

They are using semantics tricks to pretend its not the same type of emulator that is on every computer/console/phone now.  They call it "hardware emulation" because they have ARM/Android based software that "emulates the hardware".  Most people call that "software emulation" instead.  If they were doing actual hardware they wouldn't be so secret about what is inside the box.

It's not the maker that I've seen using the term "hardware emulator", it's just reviewers and such, so I thought it was quite possible they didn't really know what they were talking about.  I just thought maybe they could have NOAC type hardware in there and the O.S. just manipulated the ROMs and mapped them to the hardware..


Edit:  It would be a lot easier to get decent compatibility if they could at least take advantage of the hardware mappers in the carts somehow rather than trying to emulate all the mappers in software.

Well, if you are actually 100% compatible, then everything that works on the NES/FC will work.
I would still be impressed at 100% licensed famicom games, but if they are just going for 100% compatible with games that Br81zad cares about, that should certainly be doable

One can hope , lol.

Among others - http://hyperkin.com/blog/2013/03/... "HYPERKIN MEDIA says: It is hardware emulation, and they are developed by us."

Ok, so what makes you think they are lying / using semantic tricks and not really using hardware emulation?

Cost of FPGAs is too high for them to use, so they would have to use the cheap NOAC and other system on a chips. Those do not include digital video/audio output which means no clean HDMI. CPU speed is tied directly to video output, so no variable speed playing. Can't do save states without access to the CPU or cart internals. Of course the first photo of the motherboard will give it away unless they purposely obscure chip numbers!

In many years of making clones they never fixed the simple known problem with the audio duty cycles on the NOAC. Now they are suddenly going to do all the R&D for 5+ brand new systems in real hardware?

I never took into consideration physical cartridges when I made my comment, my bad. I was focused on the emulation point.

Don't care much about whether its emulation or not as long as I can put my cartridge in, turn it on and play it 780p with my HDMI cord. They said they fixed audio/video issues from past consoles and that's more than enough for me to hear to put my money in their pockets.

Now that's the right answer to the question by Reapus. We don't need butt hurt comments or games about what it is or isn't. All that matters is the crappy NOAC style stuff was dumped and this potentially could be the answer to the question of can a new clone system actually do it right?

They said they are going for 100% compatibility. If you put a game in and it doesn't work, you are supposedly goin to be able to, now what till I get my video out to verify what they said, but I believe you'll be able to upload info to them on the game and they will work on their end to add it to their database, then with a firmware update you'll be able to play it. They want us to put in a ntsc, pal a, pal b, famicon, south american carts, you name it, and have it play. They said they want full compatibility, no matter the region.

Again, if they pull off everything they want to, this thing is going to be pretty awesome.

^ That would be impressive

Doesn't matter to me if it's hardware or software either as long as it works. Even Nintendo is doing software emulation with Virtual Console, it works well, my only complaint about Virtual Console is that some of the games appear to have a filter applied that make the graphics a little blurry.

With the R5 you can supposedly choose from several different filters and get the look you desire

Retron 5 made Mario 3 look amazing, but it was really laggy. If it wasn't a TV issue, i'd guess they're still trying to work out the issues like that. The hyperkin rep tried to blame the lag solely on the SNES controller extender.

^ lol, so you're saying he's either a liar or a moron

You can change the look of the game. They had a setting that smoothed it out, I believe, taking away the sharp edges of the pixels.They were like four settings I believe.

Man. Need to get back to Texas and edit this baby so you guys can just watch him talk instead of me second hand.

My TV has very noticable input lag when you connect an input via HDMI.

I have a CRT that accepts HDMI that never had any noticable input lag though. When I decided to switch my PS3 setup from my CRT TV to my LRT it was obvious rocksmith wasn't playable due to that even though it was the same game, same hdmi connection just different TV. 

It's not noticable on most PS3 games due to the way their input works but it's really obvious and makes like rocksmith unplayable through straight HDMI, and I'm sure it would be rough for something that requires precision timing like NES games do.
I'm a bit leary of how well the hdmi will work out for most people, but I guess you have AV connectors as well.

Here's where the hdmi is big for me: I can now capture high definition footage of gameplay to include in videos. Before, the best I could do was jack the rca cable into a convertor that captured in standard definition. Man, it's going to look nice.

I heard a rumor that it is going to be demo'd in 720p at SRGE.
It will be nice to see in person!
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