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"Violent" dog breeds. What is your take?

Jul 20, 2012 at 6:20:14 AM
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http://www.9news.com/news/article...

Here's another dog that was mauled a month back in Brooklyn:

http://www.indiegogo.com/thebaxte...

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Jul 20, 2012 at 6:52:07 AM
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I love dogs with the passion but they really must have nothing to talk about if there covering a dog attack dog story. I used to have a Presa Canario named Zues. The Presa Canario were bred to guard and fight with cattle. He was a monstrous sucker but he was such a sweet heart. Zues weighed in at 110lbs and I never had a problem with him. Unfortunately he died of Cancer a few years ago at the age of 14. He was there since I was 6 years old and we honestly treated him like he was part of the Family. We even gave him our last name on his birth certificate. Whats funny is we now have two chihuahuas and I've been beaten by them several times. Fortunately there small so its no big deal. It all comes down to how a dog is treated/trained.

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Jul 20, 2012 at 7:47:27 AM
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Many big dogs can be dog aggressive towards small animals (my Rottie is also). Even the local dog park is segregated separately for medium / large dogs and small dogs. It's known that small dogs can have issues with large ones. However, as a responsible owner, I always have my dog under control, on a leash, or in a fenced in area where she cannot escape.

A Pit Bull getting loose and mauling another dog is a reflection on poor owners, not so much the dog itself. The dog ultimately gets the punishment, but hopefully the owners are prosecuted or forced to pay restitution as well.

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We have owned a few Rottweilers and Doberman Pinschers and all have been babies. I believe it has a lot to do with ownership and rearing.

As for dogs getting loose and mauling other dogs/people, that is unacceptable, and the reason I believe there should be licenses and tests necessary to "own" animals, as it would weed out a majority of bad owners. It's ridiculous you need a license to go fishing, but any moron can have a pit bull or human child. I guess fish come first on the accountability checklist, lol.

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Jul 20, 2012 at 8:50:05 AM
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I have a 50 pound brindle pit bull mix. We got him when he was only about 4 1/2 to 5 weeks old. He is a little over a year old now and I trust that dog with just about anyone We also have a jack russel terrier and we have more issues with the jack russell than we do the pit bull. He is so friendly with just about anyone and any other animals. He has been good around cats, other dogs, and even horses. The biggest problem we have with him is he is a jumper but besides that I couldnt ask for a better dog.

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I have a 50 pound brindle pit bull mix. We got him when he was only about 4 1/2 to 5 weeks old. He is a little over a year old now and I trust that dog with just about anyone We also have a jack russel terrier and we have more issues with the jack russell than we do the pit bull. He is so friendly with just about anyone and any other animals. He has been good around cats, other dogs, and even horses. The biggest problem we have with him is he is a jumper but besides that I couldnt ask for a better dog.

Jul 20, 2012 at 10:00:38 AM
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There are only irresponsible and violent dog owners.
Given the proper training and living condition I believe any dog can be a good dog.

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Jul 20, 2012 at 10:10:47 AM
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Originally posted by: renodakota

There are only irresponsible and violent dog owners.
Given the proper training and living condition I believe any dog can be a good dog.

Exactly.


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Jul 20, 2012 at 12:00:57 PM
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I can't confirm this maybe someone else can but I have heard that some aggressive dogs can have brain problems as they age that can make them go crazy.

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Jul 20, 2012 at 12:17:43 PM
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Originally posted by: renodakota

There are only irresponsible and violent dog owners.
Given the proper training and living condition I believe any dog can be a good dog.

I can agree with this.

But quick question?  irresponsible and violent dog owners own quite a vast array of different breeds.  How come all I ever hear about it put bulls?

Do irresponsible and violent dog owners own only that breed?


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Jul 20, 2012 at 12:24:58 PM
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Maybe not a popular answer but dog attacks involving pitbulls repeat themselves over and over, across the country year after year. How much collateral damage do we need to protect the right to own one?

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Jul 20, 2012 at 1:14:39 PM
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Originally posted by: TokinAlot

I can't confirm this maybe someone else can but I have heard that some aggressive dogs can have brain problems as they age that can make them go crazy.
I think you're thinking of the T virus. Shit is crazy when they keep busting up all the windows and chewing on people.

I've always been more of a cat person myself. You never really hear of cats going off the rails and doing anything too crazy, plus, they kill lizards, birds, and rats and leave them at your doorstep. I always found that quite thoughtful of them.


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Jul 20, 2012 at 1:23:41 PM
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Originally posted by: SsPpAaMm

Originally posted by: renodakota

There are only irresponsible and violent dog owners.
Given the proper training and living condition I believe any dog can be a good dog.

I can agree with this.

But quick question?  irresponsible and violent dog owners own quite a vast array of different breeds.  How come all I ever hear about it put bulls?

Do irresponsible and violent dog owners own only that breed?
 


It may do with the fact that many stupid macho-braggers own these dogs as a display of masculinity, in practice neglecting the dog, and/or even fostering the violent behaviour. On the other hand, when a Chihuahua, gets violent, it's hard for him to do much harm, so the impact is non-existant. I also suspect that attack dogs have also been bred for agressiveness, that may have to do with it too, but that doesn't convert them automatically into killing machines.

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Jul 20, 2012 at 1:26:36 PM
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pits get a bad rap man
to be honest my cuzin has been a "Dog Freak" for years
he has 1 deaf pit that communicates with hand moments
also he has bullet , over 100 pounds of pure Pit
very nice dogs if your not on or in the dogs space

i would go to say golden ret and chows are the meanest

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Jul 20, 2012 at 1:27:29 PM
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Originally posted by: SamSpade

I think you're thinking of the T virus. Shit is crazy when they keep busting up all the windows and chewing on people.

I've always been more of a cat person myself. You never really hear of cats going off the rails and doing anything too crazy, plus, they kill lizards, birds, and rats and leave them at your doorstep. I always found that quite thoughtful of them.


Cats can be dangerous around babies and such, but they usually pretty small to be a threat to adults..

My parent's cat is violent as all hell, but as long as you don't stick it near your face it's not particularly dangerous..

I'm sure my cat would attack someone's pet fish or bird if I was irresponsible enough to let her

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Jul 20, 2012 at 1:43:17 PM
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Originally posted by: JJAAMMEESSNNEESS

pits get a bad rap man
to be honest my cuzin has been a "Dog Freak" for years
he has 1 deaf pit that communicates with hand moments
also he has bullet , over 100 pounds of pure Pit
very nice dogs if your not on or in the dogs space

i would go to say golden ret and chows are the meanest

Chows are not mean at all.  They are very "guard dog" like..  Very loyal and friendly and protective towards you, mostly indifferent to anyone you "give the ok" and aggresive towards anyone they don't know.

At least thats my experience, my family had a couple chows when I was growing up.


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Jul 20, 2012 at 1:45:59 PM
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Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: JJAAMMEESSNNEESS

pits get a bad rap man
to be honest my cuzin has been a "Dog Freak" for years
he has 1 deaf pit that communicates with hand moments
also he has bullet , over 100 pounds of pure Pit
very nice dogs if your not on or in the dogs space

i would go to say golden ret and chows are the meanest

Chows are not mean at all.  They are very "guard dog" like..  Very loyal and friendly and protective towards you, mostly indifferent to anyone you "give the ok" and aggresive towards anyone they don't know.

At least thats my experience, my family had a couple chows when I was growing up.
 


im just going off past times
but like all the others said , its the owners

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i love all breathing animals , i hate bad owners

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Jul 20, 2012 at 2:33:35 PM
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Originally posted by: Three

Maybe not a popular answer but dog attacks involving pitbulls repeat themselves over and over, across the country year after year. How much collateral damage do we need to protect the right to own one?
I agree with that.    I know pitbull owners probably disagree and there's no question that ownership comes into play but whether but the breed is "bad" or too aggressive for some owners to handle.... whatever.     Its too much of a repeat problem and its going to be too late for sorries when your small dog or kid gets mauled.



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^ In my opinion, if the current worst offending breeds were restricted, most likely the assholes of the world would find new breeds to flock to that would suddenly become the new worst offenders.

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Jul 20, 2012 at 2:52:16 PM
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Originally posted by: SsPpAaMm

Originally posted by: renodakota

There are only irresponsible and violent dog owners.
Given the proper training and living condition I believe any dog can be a good dog.

I can agree with this.

But quick question?  irresponsible and violent dog owners own quite a vast array of different breeds.  How come all I ever hear about it put bulls?

Do irresponsible and violent dog owners own only that breed?
 



Because the kind of people that own pit bulls raise them to be mean and aggressive so they can have big, scary dogs. Not to mention the dog fighters. Pitties were originally bred as guard dogs, but the aggression in them has more or less been bred out at this point. The only reason that dogs are ever "bad" is because the owners are pieces of shit.

Also, every decade or so has its own breed of dog that gets a bad rap. 20-30 years ago it was the German shepherds and after that it was dobies. Both of which have since started being used as police dogs.

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Jul 20, 2012 at 3:04:05 PM
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Originally posted by: TokinAlot

I can't confirm this maybe someone else can but I have heard that some aggressive dogs can have brain problems as they age that can make them go crazy.

If not necessarily crazy, dogs with aggressive breeds tend to get more aggressive (or at least much less tolerant) when they get older.   I know Chows fall under that, thought that Akitas might too?


Jul 20, 2012 at 3:21:50 PM
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I think the violent dog list is pure bullshit simply put.

It's not violent dogs, it should be a violent and/or dumbass owner list.

Rotties, pits, and the rest are not violent by nature, they're trained or abused into being pure killing machine bastards by the losers that own or dominate over them.

Some dogs though in general aren't fans of others, same with people, sometimes it's a big vs small issue, or well perhaps that dog for whatever reason hates the other, just like people. They do break up dogs at some dog parks by size just so the big ones won't dominate a small one or step on it and crush it on accident.

Violent dog breeds are as stupid as violent gun lists...it's the people behind them. Personally the most violent dogs I've come across are poorly trained small dogs. They get this tiny penis syndrome thing going on and they'll lunge out and attack anything bigger as they're intimidated and scared. I only know one pit, but it's a big dumb playful big old wuss I'd be fine having my baby around.

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Originally posted by: Tanooki

I think the violent dog list is pure bullshit simply put.

It's not violent dogs, it should be a violent and/or dumbass owner list.

Rotties, pits, and the rest are not violent by nature, they're trained or abused into being pure killing machine bastards by the losers that own or dominate over them.

Some dogs though in general aren't fans of others, same with people, sometimes it's a big vs small issue, or well perhaps that dog for whatever reason hates the other, just like people. They do break up dogs at some dog parks by size just so the big ones won't dominate a small one or step on it and crush it on accident.

Violent dog breeds are as stupid as violent gun lists...it's the people behind them. Personally the most violent dogs I've come across are poorly trained small dogs. They get this tiny penis syndrome thing going on and they'll lunge out and attack anything bigger as they're intimidated and scared. I only know one pit, but it's a big dumb playful big old wuss I'd be fine having my baby around.


I don't think it's entirely bullshit,

They certainly aren't violent "by nature", they are violent on purpose.  They are bred that way, those same asshole just went searching for the most violent dogs they could find and bred them for ages to produce dogs that are most suitable as attack dogs and fighting dogs.  That includes their brain development as well as the body development. 

Dogs differ a lot depending on the breed and some breeds are trickier to handle properly (on average) than others.  Every dog is still unique of course, it's not like certain breeds are always violent or unpredictable or anything.  There are no absolutes, only tendencies.

Personally I find it's the ones that are bred for beauty that I'm always leary about because they have those narrow heads (with no brain room) and they often seem to be prone to unpredictable behavior in my experience. 

I still think this factor is far less important compared to the owners though.


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Jul 20, 2012 at 11:06:37 PM
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Of the 4 rotties I've been around, only one was somewhat aggressive and it was because she didn't get enough time with her mama.

One is literally the biggest baby I ever met. If you yell at him he cowers in fear for over ten minutes. Nobody has ever hit him. He's just a very sensitive 100 pound baby.

The other I didn't know well enough but she was always good.

The last one was a very very sweet dog. She grew up on a farm and loved to kill rats. She would regularly kill groundhogs after we moved her from the farm. Could she tell the difference between a groundhog and the neighbours wiener dog? Yup. Could i? Nope.

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Yeap, my Pit is ferocious... Here is a really mean looking one of her




Pitbulls get a bad rap BECAUSE OF THE MEDIA!!! You dont hear stories about Dalmations, Poodles, and Chows in the news because they are "family" pets even though they are all mean tempered dogs. I know of one of each breed personally that have been put down for acting out. They werent in the press because it wouldnt be a good story. BUT a story of a Pit doing something will hit big time because they are an easy target. Like said before, dogs are mean because of the owners. If youre a douche bag prick and have a pit, guess what, your dog will be a douche bag prick too. Your pets take your bad vises just as your kids do. I have a super sweet Pit and Lab that will only hurt when they get too close to show you love (ie, head butts from kisses).

And yes, my Pit is missing a front leg.