I chose the Xbox one easily over PS4, mainly due to the track record/success of the 360 compared to the PS3 in terms of games/online. I want to get a WiiU, but there is no way I'm paying more than $150/$200 (console/bundle) for it. One game isn't enough for me to buy it, whereas with my xbox one I already got Dead Rising 3 and Ryse which are both fantastic games, as well as knowing Halo will eventually be coming plus games like Titanfall which totally interest me enough to buy. The WiiU has Super Mario 3D and that's it for me. I have Windwaker already and don't need an HD version, I could care less. A Link Between Worlds might have convinced me to buy a WiiU, that or if they release a DS player for it.

I own none of the current 3 consoles.

I expect to buy a Wii U in 2014, after a price drop and the release of "X" or SSB4. I've already bought 3 Wii U games on the cheap in preparation (NSMBU, New Super Luigi U, ZombiU, $31 total)

PS4 I probably won't buy in 2014, but that might change. I'm guaranteed to buy it eventually, probably in 2015, and only at $300-

Xbone is permanently off the table, and that's a first. The DRM is still there, at the hardware level, and that alone is a dealbreaker.

I wish Nintendo the best with Wii U, but it certainly needs help, and more effort from Nintendo. I hope PS4 is something of a return to form. PS3 was a misstep, but PS1 was a quality console and PS2 is the best console so far IMO.

I'm curious which three absolutely must have games were on the PS4 that convinced you to pay $400?

I own almost every system at this point up until the current gen. I so far have a 3ds and really like it a lot. I want a vita for one specific game. I have absolutely no reason to want an xbox one or ps4 right now since there is nothing exciting released not already on ps3 or x360. Now the wii u is an awesome system and I would love one. I just haven't got around to it yet but I have played it and the graphics are beautiful and the controller is amazing. Now that you can play wii games on the screen I am more tempted than ever. There's a slew of good games that I've tried personally like zelda, wonderful 101 and zombi u.

Actually it was because Sony wanted the rights for every game produced for the SNES CD, including Nintendo's own games.  Nintendo didn't want that and told them to sod off.

I haven't yet purchased a Wii U... but I do have a Xbox One.

The reason I bought my Xbox One first was entirely because of Killer Instinct. Fighting games are my favorite genre and I've been waiting for a new KI for 17 years. The fact that Double Helix did an amazing job with it doesn't hurt, either.

I totally plan to buy a Wii U and a Playstation 4, though. Wii U really didn't launch with anything I'm dying to play, nor did the PS4. I'm currently building credit at my local Mom 'n Pop store for a PS4 and will likely shell out for a Wii U when Donkey Kong and Smash Bros are released. Fucking love Donkey Kong.

Gaming is an expensive hobby when you're not a fanboy. I love Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo and want to experience all their games. I just have to make decisions which I want to buy first... because I will end up with them all.

Well to me Nintendo will forever be "kid friendly". Not to say adults don't like it but a lot of Nintendo's games and characters are aimed at getting kids to play. It worked back in the 90's when I was growing up, my mom thought Kirby was a great non violent game for a little girl. Microsoft is aimed at young males, 15-30. Sony is aimed at an older group 20-40 and isn't just aimed at males. Lots of female gamers seem to choose the Playstation over Xbox.

As for me Nintendo kinda failed with the Wii. Motion controlled gaming...yeah because I really wanna move around like a crazy person when I'm gaming. Oh and the motion sensor sucks ass. I have to be like inches away from it before it picks up what I'm trying to do. Maybe I got a faulty one? But anyways after the Wii flopped so hard for me I gave up on Nintendo's consoles...I'm still using the handhelds. A few of the games for the DS actually got me to stop hating the DS and thinking it was a pile of shit. And as such I ended up getting the 3DS as a Christmas gift to myself. In the hopes there will be good games for it to. So far Paper Mario Sticker Star is the only one I enjoy out of my 7 3DS games...well maybe Cubic Ninja too.

But I guess I've pretty much given up on all the next gen consoles or this gen...whatever. The PS3 was ok..nothing mindblowing like the PS2 was, and I hate Xbox so no 360. But the price is really putting me off on ever owning a PS4. Unless it really drops in price I won't get it. I'm sticking to just PC gaming and I'm happy. Then again i'm a retro gamer at heart. Nintendo's last great console will always be the N64 to me, and the handheld will be the GBA. Once they started doing disc games...eh I kinda lost interest. Not saying the Gamecube was as bad as the Wii, it had some good games on it.

I'm not exactly the greatest person to talk about the Wii or Wii U, since I hate them. Well I hate the Wii and I'm just not gonna try with the Wii U.

Give me an accurate controller that I can rely on and I'll consider buying Nintendo's next system. NES' controller is great. SNES' controller is fantastic. N64's controller was kind of a bust with the easy-to-wear-out joysticks, but Gamecube was great.

Then we get to the Wii. I know they're loved by many, but those wiimotes were a huge turnoff for me. Having a screen (which will just eventually break) for the WiiU controller adds nothing for me. I think some of us are just tired of Nintendo trying to be special at the expense of what we want. As a result I haven't gotten their console since Gamecube.

Make a solid, reliable, well-made, non-gimmicky product. ...THEN experiment with peripherals. Don't make the foundation of your platform an experiment.

As a matter of fact, many of the Nintendo published games on Wii that would appeal to long time gamers use or can use little to no mandatory motion control. Xenoblade, Smash Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 plus New Super Mario Bros Wii, Sin and Punishment (uses IR / lightgun control, NOT motion), Rhythm Heaven, Punch Out, Pikmin NPC (uses IR pointer), Metroid Prime Trilogy (IR), both of the new Kirby's, Fire Emblem, Donkey Kong Country Returns (except for a couple dumb moves)….

I have been a huge fan of Nintendo for years, but it hurts to say I'd buy a PS4 any day, and have literally no interest in a Wii-U. The games are good, but it just seems like Nintendo is gearing for their fan base to be (mostly) 5-15 year olds. I have a few 3DS systems, and I think it is better game-wise than the Wii-U. Online play isn't as good as the other systems, and most of the good games seem to just be the same ones over and over again with a few new levels, characters, etc. At least I can look fondly at my NES, SNES, N64, and all Game Boys and hope they can bring back days like that again...

It seems like Nintendo is not even trying that hard anymore. They released a bunch of hand held DS versions quickly then banked on the success and made the WiiU witch was huge and bulky. I feel like they are releasing systems to fast and are giving them little thought. BUT on the flip side i did read they were sitting on 4.4billion in cash!

I love my Wii U. I think a lot of people hate on it because it's not a SNES and didn't have the gimmick success that the Wii had. People who choose not to play it 'just because' I think are missing out. I pretty much love all gaming though.

I really want to play Killer Instinct, but that alone definitely doesn't justify the price for an Xbone. I think current console gaming is in trouble, not so much Nintendo. The evolution of the systems is starting to plateau or they're just glorified computers/media devices. We'll see, I guess. I'll continue to play all the games I love, ignore the ones I hate, and ride the wave.

A lot of people hate on it because the online is shit, and there's very few titles that are worth justifying the purchases. Also, let's not forget those of us who bought the Wii only to realize the copious amounts of shovelware that came out with very few decent quality titles. Nintendo stopped caring about the masses a long while ago, and while the Wii was a success in terms of hardware sales, it's a complete failure in terms of software.

People who choose not to play it aren't choosing that "just because". If I'm going to sink any money into something, I expect there to be a decent list of titles that I'm going to enjoy. I personally haven't enjoyed a Mario game since Super Mario World (not counting Mario RPG or Mario Kart), and anything else I want to play that might be on the Wii or Wii U is out on other consoles with a significantly better library of games. Keep in mind, this is my opinion, but a lot of others feel the same way.

In the 6+ years the Wii was out, I think I bought all of 3 games. Those 3 games didn't justify the purchase, and those 3 games wore off quickly within a few weeks/month, and it's been collecting dust for the last few years. Why would people want to waste their money? If you enjoy the Wii or Wii U, more power to you and to those who enjoy it, but it's not something that will appeal to the masses until Nintendo changes things around and really starts focusing on it. Even then, it's too late for me to even bother giving it a shot.

Hell, the Nintendo Fanbois kept saying "wait til this game comes out" and "wait til that game comes out". Well, those games have already been released, and sure, it picked up sales slightly, but how long are these people going to keep saying "wait til this game comes out" before they finally take off their rose tinted glasses and realize it's not going to get better for this console?

I'm surprised you'd only find 3 games you (briefly) enjoyed on the Wii.

I wasn't a huge enthusiast for the system, but there were easily 15 games that I enjoyed the hell out of.  That is a pretty solid attach rate for any system.  

And I know there were definitely 5 - 10 more games I probably would not have regretted buying, if I'd ever gotten around to it.



That said, I don't really see the hook for any modern consoles, except for the indie game marketplace, which I get my fill of on the PC.

It's hard to see what the next real leap is unless it is wearable displays for a VR experience.  But until that leap happens, seems like things have really been planing out over the last 3 console cycles.

This has been agreed cool harded, while free. Nintendo's online is utter shit.


From a Wii owner.

Wii U is suffering not just the stuff about bad advertising, bad naming, third parties bailing and demanding hardware first then games which is stupid...it's Nintendo f'ng WII that did it.

The Wii may have sold a 100M units, but how many games? The attach rate is a flaming joke and worse yet, was the reasons behind that. You make a system with the appeal of a Jacks TV Game with the sports pack in the box which most only cared about, then because they're non gamers flash makers and shovelware trolls put out a heap of garbage in such cheap priced mass quantity it snuffed out the odds of a good real game selling. Retail will stock what they get in, but they only have X amount of space. Go look at the turd pile at Gamestop and see how easy it is in the used bin to find a gem in that mess. There's so much they're stacked sideways and on top of each other, it hides anything of good value unless you know it's there. Nintendo alienated developers and actual game players with the system. Wii U is taking a beating over that too.

I have around 15 games for the Wii system, I could maybe eek it up to 20, but I doubt I will anytime soon because for the life of it pre-WiiU I used it probably 1/3 of the time I had it because it was depressing, a downer, and any shimmering beacon of goodness was few and far between or sullied by some buggy forced shitty motion controls that made it a dog when it shouldn't have been. I'd still like to have that Kirby old games package, but I can't justify wasting money on a Wii game at this rate.

I doubt it will get much better than the N64 era for the Wii U and it will take work and years to get there. The name is awful and confusing, their advertising outside of Christmas 2013 is non-existent, the packaging sucks enough to confuse people too, it has the concept of it being a Wii accessory with its own games, third party mostly walked, and they appear to be doing nothing to counter that. I'd only think true sustained advertising, bribing third parties or buying up some small ones, and taking a loss on the system lowering it another $50 or more would help but I don't see any of it happening as they're as stubborn as they are stupid with the system.

Not including Wii Sports (only played bowling, and that became boring after a few weeks), I had Twilight Princess (got tired of using the wii mote, so I ended up with the Gamecube version), Guitar Hero 3 (the input lag killed it, as did the lack of DLC on the Wii), and I had Super Paper Mario, which got really boring after a few stages. All ended up being traded for a 360 + original xbox + 40 games + a year of live + brand new guitar hero 3.

I played Punchout Wii, and it was fine, but I got bored with it, I didn't care for the Mario Kart on the Wii, and I couldn't stand the New SMB Wii. Past that, I'm sure there might be a game or 2 that I would absolutely love, but it's not worth setting up a console for a game or 2 to play. There's a nice split of RPG's on the 360 and PS3 to appease my RPG fondness, Rockband + Guitar Hero's on the 360 (and PS3, though I didn't get a PS3 until last year) and the plethora of DLC, and many other games that never made it over to the Wii or Wii U that I had my eye on since the consoles were launched.

Nintendo has the potential to make some real amazing first party titles, but they haven't been doing anything that makes me think "I have to play this". The only exception is Zelda: ALBW, which I was getting ready to splurge for a 3DS until a member on here hooked me up with a 3DS and some games on a fantastic deal, and honestly, ALBW will probably be the only 3DS game that I even want to play.

I might be one of the few, but I refuse to get into motion controls (Wii, PS Move, or Kinect) until there's an actual VR system behind it, when I actually feel as though I'm a part of the world I'm seeing. Might be a few years away, but it'll be here sooner than we think, I believe, especially with devices like the Oculus Rift and the 3DS, we'll start seeing cheaper, but better devices coming out in the upcoming years. On top of that, they've been really studying the brain and how to trigger devices through thought as well as mapping out thoughts and dreams, so we'll really see some amazing tech within the next 10 years, if not sooner.

Best bargain bin title I've ever seen on any system was Pinball Hall of Fame for the Wii...

You don't mention Mario Galaxy. Both of those were solid.
Mario Kart was actually a pretty good rendition if you avoided the silly steering wheel controls.

A Boy and His Blob was good.
Wario Land was actually an excellent platformer.


The resurgence of light gun games (with vastly improved accuracy to the old days) was actually pretty great, as well.
If you didn't try any of those, you really missed out. They really showcased the new way of pointer-reckoning for game control.

This may shock you, and most people here, but I never cared for Mario Galaxy.

Mario Kart Wii wasn't horrible, but it was far inferior than Double Dash, IMO. As for the light gun games, I'm not a peripheral kind of person (with the exception of the Guitar Hero 2 xplorer and guitar hero drum kit, for a few reasons). Even in the days of arcades, I never cared for the shooting games, but that's a whole other topic as to why. All of the games you've mentioned just don't tickle my fancy when it comes to gaming. The Wii and Wii U are both the polar opposites as to the type of games I like to play. Once I saw how many RPG's came out for other consoles after the SNES, I haven't cared about a Nintendo system since. I only got the Gamecube because it came with the Zelda bundle, and I picked up the Gameboy Player and Mario Kart DD for it. That's the most of the Gamecube I cared to explore because the PS2 just had everything else I wanted to play. Same applies with the Wii and Wii U versus the PS3 and 360. The only reason why I bought a PS3 last year was for the RPG's. I don't care about 99% of the exclusive IP's, but the PS3 has a lot of RPG's that aren't on the 360.

Nintendo had showed me they don't care for gamers like me, and showed other types of gamers that they don't care for them either, for the last 3 generations.

In defense of the Wii, Boom Blox. Everyone should play it.

As far as the Wii U goes, it's just too early to say what's going to happen this gen. It just started!

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

But I don't see how a system actually offering first-party 2D platformers is the "polar opposite" of the interests of a guy that I know plays the hell out of 2D platformers on the NES...

Having to shake the controller becomes a deal breaker for me Plus, the Wii motes signal gets lost when sitting on my couch, so I'd have to sit on the floor to play it (or move my couch, or TV, which isn't happening). But like I said, I haven't enjoyed a Mario title since SMW on the SNES, with the exception of Mario Kart DD and Mario RPG. Plus, now that I have a 3DS, aren't all those 2D platformers available on that? There's zero incentive for me to purchase a Wii U (and I doubt I'll get them on the 3DS anyway as they don't interest me).

I'm mainly an RPG gamer first and foremost, then puzzle, then platformer. Besides, what first party 2D platformers are there on the Wii and Wii U that aren't Mario titles? As for the NES 2D platformers, look at which ones I'm playing They aren't Mario titles

How far was your couch from the TV that you were losing the signal?

I'm not suggesting there is an incentive for the Wii U, because I certainly don't own one.
But I had enough stuff to appeal to me on the Wii. (I didn't get a 3DS, though, but it sounds like it would scratch the same itch, though my regular DS was doing just fine)

I haven't enjoyed a console RPG in a LONG time, though. The kind of RPGs I'm into have always been better implemented on the PC.

I'll have to measure it again, but I believe it's something like 25 - 35 feet. I'll do that this evening and let you know for sure.

Well it seems you're not one of the people that didn't buy it 'just becasue'.... you seem to have a lot of reasons, which is fine. I just find it curious that the people who did buy a new Wii U seem to really like it, and the people who didn't, have a very easy time bashing it. That could simply be because the people who bash it simply have no interest in the games or what Nintendo is doing anymore. 

SNES was a completely different era of gaming and people don't seem to understand that. Nintendo ruled the world back then and pretty much every game that came out was on Nintendo (with the few exceptions on good 1st party Sega titles). There is now competition, so those dream days of all these companies going to Nintendo are over and I think the N64 was the system where it became extremely evident that the Nintendo glory days had come to an end. You now have to sift through the consoles and pick out the good stuff. Just like there is tons of shovel ware on the Wii there is tons of FPS/action clones on the PS3/Xbox that are more or less garbage. 

I'm not saying the Wii U is amazing, but it still has some very good games, which is what it is all about for me. I've played through NSMBU, Luigi U, Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101, Wind Waker, portions of Pikmin 3, Duck Tales Remastered, Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge, and still play a little CoD online, too. I liked just about every minute of those games and there are still more to come. Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong (which was one of the best games on the Wii), most likely a Zelda/Metroid, Bayonetta 2, etc. Throw these in with a tablet and some other new features and you have something that is appealing to me as a Nintendo fan, and more importantly, a gamer.