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Your thoughts on Pat the Nes Punk's "Will Anyone Care about NES Collections in 100 Years?" Your reaction?

May 20, 2016 at 5:27:53 PM
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Originally posted by: BertBerryCrunch

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If you didn't mention Pat, then this thread likely wouldn't have been a braindead opinion. People just have a hard time accepting topics Pat came up with, regardless of validity.

As for the actually meat and potatoes of the topic, I feel only a few. Collecting, in of itself, is a niche hobby. The scope of one's collection is always varied. The majority of Americans, and the world in general, don't collect as a hobby. You might encounter pack rats and hoarders, but those that consider themselves collectors in their fields are certainly not around every corner.

The one thing you need to realize, is that NES is a product of the time. We collect because of attachment. Most that collect ancient artifacts or silent film reels, do so because it feels a scope of learning and education, most of us that collect games do so for nostalgia and entertainment.





so you don't think there's any educational/historical value to collecting games? I agree there won't be nearly as many people interested but I feel like people will collect them more so because they're curious of how video games started and evolved. Video games is still a very young medium and it's inevitable that they'll be completely different from how they are now in a hundred years but there will be people who are curious as to how it started and roms alone won't give you the whole experience





Is that what I said? I beleive we can learn quite a bit from our past, but NES collecting is not primarily done for that purpose. I don't collect for educational reasons, only for entertainment. As I stated above, most people do not collect videogames as a hobby for educational reasons. Meaning, in this time, not 100 years from now. Most people that collect items from deep history do so for the knowledge and education, obviously not for entertainment. Just like future collector may look at NES games and want to learn more about them, as opposed to wanting to enjoy a nostalgic peice of his own history, like most of us do today.

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May 20, 2016 at 5:32:39 PM
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I know that in 3 years the oldest Christmas lights I have will be 100 years old.

I'll still put them on my tree, and no doubt continue to have my friends believe I will die in a light-related fire.

So, by my own logic, yes, I think some people will still care. I don't care to speculate what "value" if any an NES collection would have, other than nostalgia for great grandpa's toys.

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May 20, 2016 at 6:15:09 PM
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In 60 years, almost all of the people who grew up with the NES in the 80's will be dead or not in a state to play the games.

In 100 years any remaining NES games will either be in a museum or belong to a very small handful of preservationists. Electricity and TVs won't exist in their current form and any of these physical games will be carefully preserved and likely not used in the traditional sense.

May 20, 2016 at 6:27:18 PM
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Not to get too morbid but most of the population here will die between 2040-2060. How many will still have their collections at that point? Let's say 50% to be kind.

What will your kids and grandkids do with you crap when you die? Assuming we still even use the current A/C power system, maybe 10% will keep your gaming stuff. Again, being very optimistic.

Fast forward another 60 years. What connection will their descendants have with your stuff? Virtually zero.

Hate to say it, but 99.9% of your collections are ending up in a landfill eventually. Just a few retro techno enthusiasts and some museums will have the physical consoles in 100 years.

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May 20, 2016 at 6:28:08 PM
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Oops, quiet451 beat me to it...

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May 20, 2016 at 6:40:11 PM
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If video games are to be considered anything like other collectibles, then they will always matter until the end of mankind. Art, coins, stamps, novels and books, jewelry/antiques, and many other "collectibles" have surpassed the 100 year mark and continue to remain on the radar of people around the world. NES is more likely than some of the other consoles but me thinks all video games will hold a neverending interest amongs our species. Once video games go digital only, which may or may not ever happen (there's good reasons why, too), that will make "physical games" a thing of the past and somewhat "antiquey". Sport cards and comics are pretty much closing in on 100 years and we all know that the oldest and most desired stuff is selling for all time highs.


Edited: 05/20/2016 at 06:41 PM by XYZ

May 20, 2016 at 6:42:41 PM
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Humanity in 100 years? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT

May 20, 2016 at 6:52:12 PM
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Who really knows.

100 years before the NES was 1885 which introduced some items that would be relevant as "collectible" today, such things as (according to wikipedia) the first true Automobile (the Benz Motorwagon), Dr Pepper, Bicycle Playing Cards, Good Housekeeping Magazing,

May 20, 2016 at 7:03:23 PM
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You didnt have to grown up with nes to appreciate it, wanting to play challenging 8 bit classic games with great gameplay in their original form, or otherwise, will last beyond a 100 years from now. People will find a way to play the games in a physical form, in the future.

Vinyl is over a 100 years old and look how well it's doing.


Edited: 05/20/2016 at 07:05 PM by pixelsmash

May 20, 2016 at 7:04:16 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78

Everyone here is assuming we;ll have the option of plugging the NES into the wall and turning it on. Electricity is relatively new to us as a society and I imagine in 100 years we will be on a different version of it which will not be compatible with legacy electronics. So you have a plug coming out of the NES, where do you plug it in? Nowhere, houses won't have outlets any more.

Yeah, but that won't happen overnight, so one would assume that adapters of some sort would be readily available.
 


NTSC tuners = obsolete
analogue cellular devices = obsolete
any music medium prior to CD = obsolete

It only takes about 10 years to go from introduction to obsoletion so as long as the switch happens in the next 90 years, there won't be any adapters available.

They indeed make adapters for the first and third items on your list.   Cellular is a different ball of wax.

But there are so many things that are plugged into the wall that I would have a hard time believing over a ten year span that there wouldn't be some type of adapter available.

 

Agreed.

There are only so many practical alternatives to how houses are wired up, from a standpoint of physics. (at least on the scope of 100 years time)

"worst case scenario" for current devices, we either switch everything to DC power (due to some kind of distributed power production and big home batteries like PowerWall) or even further we go to some kind of wireless power transmission (unlikely, IMO, given the limitations of what that entails).

In either case, having a simple DC-to-AC inverter (a tried-and-true thing that has existed pretty much as long as cars have had cigarette lighters built in) is a straightforward solution that isn't going to cease to exist in the next 100 years.

They might get more expensive, due to low volume of production, as old devices die off for good.  But they'll exist.
 


I agree with nathan and captain, but just a little add is we will never use DC, as it is terrible over distance. Wireless is actually more likely, its even said nikola  Tesla figured it out a long time ago, just never wrote it down. 

With that being said, electricity is electricity no matter where it comes from (chemical reaction, static, mechanical generation etc.) So adapters to the current way we use it would be a 100% guarantee. 

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May 20, 2016 at 7:10:26 PM
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Originally posted by: pixelsmash
Vinyl is over a 100 years old and look how well it's doing.
Yeah, very niche and a shell of its heyday.

Will people play NES games in the future? Sure. Using the physical carts? Nope, there's no need, aside from a couple of people putting a cart in to show how it was done, just like the dude in that first video showing how an old phonograph works. Beyond that, ROMs.


Edited: 05/20/2016 at 07:13 PM by Tulpa

May 20, 2016 at 7:56:52 PM
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Originally posted by: MrWunderful
 
 

I agree with nathan and captain, but just a little add is we will never use DC, as it is terrible over distance. Wireless is actually more likely, its even said nikola  Tesla figured it out a long time ago, just never wrote it down. 

With that being said, electricity is electricity no matter where it comes from (chemical reaction, static, mechanical generation etc.) So adapters to the current way we use it would be a 100% guarantee. 


I wasn't suggesting, at all, that you'd do distance transmission in DC.

But there are plenty of concepts for decentralizing portions of power production (where those sources generally seem to produce DC power), or something where you have a whole-house battery (again a DC source), where within the home DC would work just fine and you'd only have AC up to the battery for instance.



And maybe I didn't learn enough electro-magnetism related physics, but I have a hard time imagining large scale "broadcast" of power transmission that wouldn't have some shared bandwidth with "useful" airwaves and interfere with a lot of stuff we currently take for granted.



(but yeah, the concept of completely losing the ability to power something, when at the end of the day it's all just electricity, is pretty out there)

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Edited: 05/20/2016 at 07:58 PM by arch_8ngel

May 20, 2016 at 10:08:49 PM
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I think Pat is spot on with his opinion. In 100 years, every retro game system and games will be in the public domain and probably we be available in a complete set for a small price. I'm thinking like how early silent film collections can be bought on DVD today. Not many people will care to collect or use the actual hardware or games.

I have a mental picture of an NES collector 100 years from now being one of those stuffy gentleman in tweed jackets from the Antique Roadshow.

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May 20, 2016 at 10:21:40 PM
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Originally posted by: darkchylde28
 
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I didn't even bother reading all the comments. No one really thinks about what shit will be in 100 years. Why not ask talk about something more relevant like 5, 10, or 20 years?

...because it's fun to speculate?  As people have for years and years?

 
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May 20, 2016 at 10:26:26 PM
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I don't think the aliens that are going to take over Earth will give a shit about Human History or the crap we collected, but who knows?

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May 20, 2016 at 10:27:58 PM
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I'll be dead, you'll be dead, everyone you love and care about will be dead. No one will care about NES games, they'll be more concerned about buying a loaf of bread which will cost $100.

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May 20, 2016 at 10:39:35 PM
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I won't be dead.

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May 20, 2016 at 10:55:05 PM
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Assuming we all don't kill each other in some major world war or some disease wipes most of humanity out, I wonder what the population of the Earth will be like in 100 years. Even if a smaller percentage of people collect these old games in the future, you could still be looking at a sizable number of people collecting a limited number of games. If we make contact with aliens and they take interest in them, the bubble will enter a state of infinite expansion, eventually leading to a big freeze in collecting.

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May 20, 2016 at 11:20:06 PM
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Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce

Not to get too morbid but most of the population here will die between 2040-2060. How many will still have their collections at that point? Let's say 50% to be kind.

What will your kids and grandkids do with you crap when you die? Assuming we still even use the current A/C power system, maybe 10% will keep your gaming stuff. Again, being very optimistic.

Fast forward another 60 years. What connection will their descendants have with your stuff? Virtually zero.

Hate to say it, but 99.9% of your collections are ending up in a landfill eventually. Just a few retro techno enthusiasts and some museums will have the physical consoles in 100 years.





Agreed. I cant even get my wife to care about my stuff now. Cant imagine my future family doesnt throw it out

Also im not gonna lie i got giddy when i saw your avatar. Always exciting to spot a stern fan, but more specifically a eric the acktor fan

May 21, 2016 at 12:02:07 AM
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Originally posted by: empire

I'll be dead, you'll be dead, everyone you love and care about will be dead. No one will care about NES games, they'll be more concerned about buying a loaf of bread which will cost $100.

They'll outlaw carbs by 2050.
 

May 21, 2016 at 12:13:22 AM
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Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: empire

I'll be dead, you'll be dead, everyone you love and care about will be dead. No one will care about NES games, they'll be more concerned about buying a loaf of bread which will cost $100.

They'll outlaw carbs by 2050.
 


2050 eh, well shit I should be dead by then. I'll miss carb prohibition.

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May 21, 2016 at 12:55:00 AM
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Sometimes, it's hard to tell how much a certain family inheritance can really tell you anything about your family history. The ones who bonded with it emotionally during their lifetime don't usually pass that sympathy on with their collection. There's more to judging someone's personality traits by what they own than just owning the stuff. What they do instead is give their children more guilt about maintaining possessions they don't really need or use, and if they end up poor or losing it in a fire or house theft then it was all in vain. Pictures, letters and works of art by your ancestors are generally more important in my opinion, which unfortunately in the next generation will be mostly lost or non-existent because everything we do is digital and storage devices fail often. That kind of stuff would in theory say more about your family than 100 sealed copies of Bubble Bobble Part 2. :\

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May 21, 2016 at 2:01:43 AM
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I think it will all be about as relevant as any other entertainment technology from 100 years ago.

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May 21, 2016 at 2:02:14 AM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa
 
Originally posted by: pixelsmash
Vinyl is over a 100 years old and look how well it's doing.
Yeah, very niche and a shell of its heyday.

Will people play NES games in the future? Sure. Using the physical carts? Nope, there's no need, aside from a couple of people putting a cart in to show how it was done, just like the dude in that first video showing how an old phonograph works. Beyond that, ROMs.

Again, disagree. There will always be a need to touch, hold, store and play with the orginal item for the exact same reasons people prefer physical today. 

Vinyl has isnt that niche anymore, it has become mainstream to certain extent. It is a good example of my point.


Edited: 05/21/2016 at 02:03 AM by pixelsmash

May 21, 2016 at 2:10:28 AM
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Originally posted by: PuppyWaffles

I don't think the aliens that are going to take over Earth will give a shit about Human History or the crap we collected, but who knows?



I think aliens would have developed similar hobbies, or have outgrown such desires of they're such technologically advanced to travel lightyears through space to annihilate an inferior species. That or they travelled to seek out Mario and Sonic to form a peace treaty. Cause everyone knows aliens think tv shows and video games are real life.

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