Or maybe some people just want to play the game, in which case WCTM is an affordable substitute.

well then let them have it in their "library" of games, since they are gamers. since the discussion is about a collection, Stadium Events is needed for a complete one. no matter how many ways you try to spin it, Stadium Events is not a variant, its the original, it has a unique license code, and WCTM came out later and has its own license code. it doesnt have the same code as Stadium events with a -1 tacked to the end to denote a revision, and so it is not a variant. they are both seperate entries to the list. 

NES-SD-USA
NES-WH-USA
NES-WT-USA


even Nintendo themselves considers it a unique entry. they published their own official list with release dates and all, but sadly their website only shows Wii-present titles now. i found the PDF being hosted here http://www.nesworld.com/files/nes_games.pdf

so if you dont want to pay that much money for a different label and title screen and just want to run on your powerpad, who really cares? if you want to pay that much so you can check it off of nintendo's official list, who really cares? buy what you want to buy, but dont keep propping up this tired argument.

These threads are lawl. Of course SE counts.

I don't like this argument. I agree with the starting assertion (stadium events is, in fact, a game -- whether or not you want it is up to the individual obviously but it is a definite thing that exists) but Nintendo's list is awful.

Licenced NES games not on Nintendo's list:
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out
RBI Baseball
Gauntlet
Pac Man
Miracle Piano
Cyberball

Nobody says "Even Nintendo doesn't think Miracle Piano is a real game". Of course I know why some of these games aren't on there, but their list is a really shitty metric.

they dont list Mike Tyson because of the obvious fallout surrounding him. they dont list the three Tengen titles because of the legal battles with them. i dont know their reasoning behind Miracle Piano or Cyberball, possibly some other legal issue? isnt cyberball originally a Tengen title? that may be the reason there.

are there any threads being made about those titles not being listed, and thus not counting? then why is there an argument being made about a title that is on the list not counting?

thats all i was getting at.

The only one I can't figure out is Cyberball...know the story with that one?

i just looked it up. its an Atari title, and was originally going to be published under the Tengen name. then they licensed it to Jaleco to get it published as a licensed cart instead of a Tengen cart.

thats why Nintendo doesnt list it. they dont list anything from Atari/Tengen.

why not Miracle Piano?

Mike Tyson's Punch-Out
Nintendo lost their license to use Mike Tyson as a character in their games. Thus meaning it was licensed, but no longer is despite the fact that it's made using official Nintendo hardware, came from Nintendo's factories, and has the Nintendo Seal of Quality.

RBI Baseball, Gauntlet, Pac Man
All Tengen (read: Atari) stuff. This is probably out of spite.

Cyberball
I would have passed it off as another fluke, but seems like Ray hit the nail on the head. This is another Atari title.

Miracle Piano
Most likely a fluke

Yes, but limited availablity just makes it that much harder to obtain. In the end, it was available to purchase off the shelves for a small amount of time, earning the title as the hardest to find licensed public release on the NES. So in my books it counts, but hell with finding it/paying for it XD

Look I'm stunned (yet not too) seeing this dug up again. Face facts, you got two camps on this and really no one is more wrong or right on it. Stadium Events which is also known as World Class Track Meet just happens to all be title screen change variants of the same game and that really is that. Some will see it as something they need to have to be complete, others won't as it's just a variation of the same game with another name. I wish people would just drop it as neither side is going to convince the other. Sure you could dig up dated documents or guides (Official Nintendo Players Guide) which list it, but it's a piece of that specific period in time and WCTM didn't exist then by that name for Stadium Events. Just leave it alone, move along, better stuff to get hot and pissed off about anyway.

god damnit

I know why the tengen games aren't on the list. But they aren't on the list. You can't have it both ways. You can't say Nintendo's opinion of game Y counts and look it's on the list, but Nintendo's opinion of game X doesn't count even though it's not on the same list. It doesn't make sense.

Coming from someone who only needs SE for a set, there is no question that it counts and no decent argument that it shouldn't count.

Anyone that wants to actually play this game should have their head examined. I think of it as a variant myself but for a competionist, I can see the need to get it for a complete set. It is what it is though, it's the same game with a different title, it really all comes down to personal semantics on the issue.

WCTM would be the variant, not SE!!

Wasn't SE recalled though? I would think that WCTM would be the only legit release for the system at that point. Either way, complete on the nes is a moot point, do we count Cheetahmen 2? What about the Tengen games, Color Dreams, official, unofficial, the porn games? I'm not trying to argue either way on the issue, it's something I have no intent on ever owning. It all boils down to the fact that it's the same game with a different title and I can totally understand a collector wanting to own it for the sake of owning it.

Yeah it was recalled because Nintendo bought up the rights to it and the family fitness mat to rename both for their purposes shortly after they hit the market. That's why I said there are going to be two sides to this, arguing is stupid, and the fact is it's a variation of the same game, same code, other than the title screen so for some who are picky they'll want it for a full set, others will feel just having one is a full set. It's like some would count the gray vs black tengen games with the slightly different title screen with the legalese being off, or some of the other titles that saw more than one form of release. It's all about preference and that is the reality of it and also why no one will agree because that preference, it's like an asshole and opinion, everyone has all of them and they stink.

Two different companies so it can't be considered a varaint.

But I do agree that no one wants to buy this game just to play it. It is only to "complete" a list.

I'm not saying I disagree with you about SE but who is to say that the "two different companies" thing automatically stops them from being variants?  If you look on the NA list it even says that a "Major Variant" can be something released by 2 different companies.

Here is the exact text, from this very website:

"You are viewing items that contain major variants. Major variants are typically treated as items that have a significant difference from the original release, such as new publisher, new product code, different artwork, etc."

Now you can go about making arguments about which one is the "variant" or if they are both variants of one another, etc.

Right now, i don't own the game, so it clearly doesn't count towards the set. If I do ever own it, it counts. I plan to bid exactly $6,348.18 on the next auction, so I assume I will own it then, at which point it's a clear necessity for a set.

Pretty simple.

lol nice, i like this analogy.

When i used to own SE "yes it counted", now i dont own SE so "nope dont count towards a complete set its a variant"

i like it. lmao. 

Stadium Events was not recalled, it was discontinued.  A recall means that they make retailers ship back all copies they still had in stock, which, at least from what I could gather from Gamemaster Howard's statement (can't remember what thread it was in, it was posted a few months back...if someone more adept at searching can find it, be my guest), did not happen.  The logical thing that would've happened would've been that Bandai would've paid to have, say, 50,000 copies made.  A run of, say, 10,000 was produced, and after the initial run, Nintendo bought the rights to the game and discontinued production.  What this means is that the 10,000 copies that were shipped off to retailers were the only copies made, and they would've been on sale for a very short period of time before being sold off.  A recall would've been huge news at the time, so for there to be no documentation of a recall anywhere, that just doesn't make sense to me.

I don't own it.  Never have owned it.  Yet I still count it.  Of course, I like to play Conan, so take it for what it is

Yeah, Namco released Pacman in 1993, and additionally, it's available on Virtual Console, as is Punchout featuring Mr Dream, which IMO is the same game as MT's Punchout, just like WCTM/Staduim Events are essentially the same game. Did Nintendo include the Namco released Pacman on the list?

Miracle Piano is an edjucational title with no entertainment value (so it could be considered a "non game" just like a modern day "app" can be a non-game.), and I don't know anything about Cyberball.

Namco Pac Man is indeed on the list.