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Retron 5 Plays Repro & Homebrews: A list of what works and what doesn't Google Doc linked, please add your tested games

Jun 1, 2014 at 12:54:41 PM
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Sorry if this has been mentioned in another thread but I just got mine hooked up.

Hammerin Harry and Ufouria PAL carts work great.

Mr. Gimmick PAL does not. It thinks a SNES cart is in backwards and says there is a power issue? Bummer.

Yeah my Chuck Yeagers doesnt work either ....but Fix it Felix does albeit unrecognized by the system.

Jun 1, 2014 at 3:01:58 PM
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I'll be testing a lot more homebrew/reproductions tonight. Here's eight NES I tried out last night.

Working
Battle Kid: Fortress of Peril
Drac’s Night Out
Sunman
 
Did not work
Dragon Feet – “No Cart Inserted”
Study Hall – “No Cart Inserted”
Super Mario Bros. Special – “No Cart Inserted”
Virus Cleaner – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Excitebike – “No Cart Inserted”

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Jun 1, 2014 at 6:14:25 PM
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Originally posted by: GibbyVA

I'll be testing a lot more homebrew/reproductions tonight. Here's eight NES I tried out last night.

Working
Battle Kid: Fortress of Peril
Drac’s Night Out
Sunman
 
Did not work
Dragon Feet – “No Cart Inserted”
Study Hall – “No Cart Inserted”
Super Mario Bros. Special – “No Cart Inserted”
Virus Cleaner – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Excitebike – “No Cart Inserted”
Glad to see Battle Kid working. That's impressive.

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Jun 1, 2014 at 6:46:46 PM
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32 more NES homebrew & reproductions tested. R5 was 0/32 on these. That's all of my HB/Repro atm, minus nwc/ncc/glider which are sealed and I don't feel like opening them just to test, with the results I just got.

So far Battle Kid 1 is the only homebrew I've had work.
 
Not Working
2 in 1 Geminim/Siamond – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2011 – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2012 – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2013 – “No Cart Inserted”
Action 53 – “No Cart Inserted”
Airball – “No Cart Inserted”
Assimilate – “No Cart Inserted”
Battle Kid 2: Mountain of Torment – “No Cart Inserted”
Chuck Yeager’s Fighter Combat – “No Cart Inserted”
Chunkout 2 – “No Cart Inserted”
Donkey Kong Pie Foundry – “No Cart Inserted”
Dragon Leap – “No Cart Inserted”
Free Fall – “No Cart Inserted”
Gemventure – “No Cart Inserted”
Happy Camper – “No Cart Inserted”
Homebrew World Championships 2012 – “No Cart Inserted”
Mike Ditka’s Big Play Football – “No Cart Inserted”
Mystic Pillars – “No Cart Inserted”
Nomolos: Storming the Castle – “No Cart Inserted”
Pirate Booty – “No Cart Inserted”
Sara Parker’s Pool Challenge – “No Cart Inserted”
Sneak ‘n Peek – “No Cart Inserted”
Super Maruo – “No Cart Inserted”
Super NeSnake 2 – “No Cart Inserted”
Tecmo Super Bowl 2014 – “No Cart Inserted”
The Grind – “No Cart Inserted”
Ultimate Frogger Championship – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Castlevania – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Duck Hunt – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Hogan’s Alley – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Super Mario Bros. – “No Cart Inserted”
War on Wheels – “No Cart Inserted”

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Edited: 06/01/2014 at 06:50 PM by GibbyVA

Jun 1, 2014 at 6:57:36 PM
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Originally posted by: GibbyVA

32 more NES homebrew & reproductions tested. R5 was 0/32 on these. That's all of my HB/Repro atm, minus nwc/ncc/glider which are sealed and I don't feel like opening them just to test, with the results I just got.

So far Battle Kid 1 is the only homebrew I've had work.
 
Not Working
2 in 1 Geminim/Siamond – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2011 – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2012 – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2013 – “No Cart Inserted”
Action 53 – “No Cart Inserted”
Airball – “No Cart Inserted”
Assimilate – “No Cart Inserted”
Battle Kid 2: Mountain of Torment – “No Cart Inserted”
Chuck Yeager’s Fighter Combat – “No Cart Inserted”
Chunkout 2 – “No Cart Inserted”
Donkey Kong Pie Foundry – “No Cart Inserted”
Dragon Leap – “No Cart Inserted”
Free Fall – “No Cart Inserted”
Gemventure – “No Cart Inserted”
Happy Camper – “No Cart Inserted”
Homebrew World Championships 2012 – “No Cart Inserted”
Mike Ditka’s Big Play Football – “No Cart Inserted”
Mystic Pillars – “No Cart Inserted”
Nomolos: Storming the Castle – “No Cart Inserted”
Pirate Booty – “No Cart Inserted”
Sara Parker’s Pool Challenge – “No Cart Inserted”
Sneak ‘n Peek – “No Cart Inserted”
Super Maruo – “No Cart Inserted”
Super NeSnake 2 – “No Cart Inserted”
Tecmo Super Bowl 2014 – “No Cart Inserted”
The Grind – “No Cart Inserted”
Ultimate Frogger Championship – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Castlevania – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Duck Hunt – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Hogan’s Alley – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Super Mario Bros. – “No Cart Inserted”
War on Wheels – “No Cart Inserted”
Ouch.

Have you applied the update patch yet? Retron released a firmware update few days ago.



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Edited: 06/01/2014 at 06:57 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Jun 1, 2014 at 6:59:00 PM
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Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Ouch.

Have you applied the update patch yet? Retron released a firmware update few days ago.

 

Yup. That's the first thing I did after bringing it home.


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Jun 1, 2014 at 7:04:33 PM
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Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Glad to see Battle Kid working. That's impressive.
Thats cute you think running a 5 year old game with one of the most basic mappers and even runs on nesticle is "impressive"  

Jun 1, 2014 at 7:37:45 PM
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Originally posted by: GibbyVA

32 more NES homebrew & reproductions tested. R5 was 0/32 on these. That's all of my HB/Repro atm, minus nwc/ncc/glider which are sealed and I don't feel like opening them just to test, with the results I just got.

So far Battle Kid 1 is the only homebrew I've had work.
 
Not Working
2 in 1 Geminim/Siamond – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2011 – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2012 – “No Cart Inserted”
8-Bit Xmas 2013 – “No Cart Inserted”
Action 53 – “No Cart Inserted”
Airball – “No Cart Inserted”
Assimilate – “No Cart Inserted”
Battle Kid 2: Mountain of Torment – “No Cart Inserted”
Chuck Yeager’s Fighter Combat – “No Cart Inserted”
Chunkout 2 – “No Cart Inserted”
Donkey Kong Pie Foundry – “No Cart Inserted”
Dragon Leap – “No Cart Inserted”
Free Fall – “No Cart Inserted”
Gemventure – “No Cart Inserted”
Happy Camper – “No Cart Inserted”
Homebrew World Championships 2012 – “No Cart Inserted”
Mike Ditka’s Big Play Football – “No Cart Inserted”
Mystic Pillars – “No Cart Inserted”
Nomolos: Storming the Castle – “No Cart Inserted”
Pirate Booty – “No Cart Inserted”
Sara Parker’s Pool Challenge – “No Cart Inserted”
Sneak ‘n Peek – “No Cart Inserted”
Super Maruo – “No Cart Inserted”
Super NeSnake 2 – “No Cart Inserted”
Tecmo Super Bowl 2014 – “No Cart Inserted”
The Grind – “No Cart Inserted”
Ultimate Frogger Championship – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Castlevania – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Duck Hunt – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Hogan’s Alley – “No Cart Inserted”
VS. Super Mario Bros. – “No Cart Inserted”
War on Wheels – “No Cart Inserted”



Aren't those all Retro USB games? Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't we known for a while that those games wouldn't work because of some incredibly weird mapper used on them to keep them from being dumped and sold on other websites?

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Jun 1, 2014 at 7:48:03 PM
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Originally posted by: drclaw411

Aren't those all Retro USB games? Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't we known for a while that those games wouldn't work because of some incredibly weird mapper used on them to keep them from being dumped and sold on other websites?
No, None of these are from Retro USB

Action 53
Assimilate
Chuck Yeager’s Fighter Combat
Dragon Feet
Dragon Leap
Free Fall
Happy Camper
Mike Ditka’s Big Play Football
Super Mario Bros. Special
Super Maruo
Tecmo Super Bowl 2014
The Grind
Virus Cleaner
War on Wheels

Now whether bunny helped on some of the ones sold here on NA, I don't know.



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Jun 1, 2014 at 8:16:37 PM
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Other than the VS system carts, Pirate Booty, and Action 53, none of those use anything special. They are standard mappers used by tens to hundreds of production games with no dumping protection.

Jun 1, 2014 at 9:34:52 PM
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Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Glad to see Battle Kid working. That's impressive.
Thats cute you think running a 5 year old game with one of the most basic mappers and even runs on nesticle is "impressive"  



oh snap, trolling. I am glad BK works cause I just bought it from you.

Jun 1, 2014 at 9:52:43 PM
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Originally posted by: JordyRamone

Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Glad to see Battle Kid working. That's impressive.
Thats cute you think running a 5 year old game with one of the most basic mappers and even runs on nesticle is "impressive"  



oh snap, trolling. I am glad BK works cause I just bought it from you.

Yeah Brian, that one was a bit below the belt, don't ya think? Nesticle, Lulz...

As a business owner, it is not wise to insult your customers. I have bought items from you in the past, and I plan on getting the HDMI NES to supplement my Retron5 in the homebrew department, where it is severely lacking.

Probably the only reason why Battle Kid runs is because enough fanboiz whined to Hyperkin to make it happen. No offense those who created it, but that game is retarded difficult.

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Edited: 06/01/2014 at 09:57 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Jun 1, 2014 at 10:24:30 PM
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OK, just finished up testing the rest of my HB/Repro stuff that isn't sealed. Now I'm gonna just enjoy some gaming.

SNES
Working
Bobby’s World (RetroUsb)
BS Excitebike
BS The Legend of Zelda Map 1 & 2  – “Unknown cartridge” – Plays fine
Classic Kong (Piko) – “Unknown cartridge” – Plays fine
Donkey Kong Competition Cartridge (RetroUsb) – “Unknown cartridge” – Plays fine
Secret of Mana 2  – “Unknown cartridge” – Plays fine
Super 4 in 1 (Piko)
Super Back to the Future Part II  – “Unknown cartridge” – Plays fine
Super Mario World: Return to Dinosaur Land
Terranigma  – “Unknown cartridge” – Plays fine
 
Loaded with problems/errors

Nightmare Busters (Super Fighter Team) – “Unknown cartridge” – Black Screen/Locks up the Retron 5
 
Did not work
16-Bit Xmas 2011 (RetroUsb) – “ERROR: Failed to Dump ROM”
16-Bit Xmas 2012 (RetroUsb) – “No Cart Inserted”
Astrohawk (Piko) – “No Cart Inserted”
Mr Bloppy Saves the World (Piko) – “No Cart Inserted”
Super Noah’s Ark 3D (Piko) – “No Cart Inserted” (The original SNA3D doesn’t work either)
 
Genesis
Working
Fix it Felix Jr. – “Unknown cartridge” – Plays fine
Time Trax

Sega Master System
Did not work
Bread and Butter – “No Cart Inserted”

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Edited: 06/05/2014 at 03:44 AM by GibbyVA

Jun 1, 2014 at 10:42:46 PM
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Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Yeah Brian, that one was a bit below the belt, don't ya think? Nesticle, Lulz...

As a business owner, it is not wise to insult your customers. I have bought items from you in the past, and I plan on getting the HDMI NES to supplement my Retron5 in the homebrew department, where it is severely lacking.
That wasn't an insult, I called you cute!  Would you prefer handsome?  

Just wasn't expecting someone who knows technical details to be impressed by something like running BK.  The cart isn't rare, ROM has been around for years, very simple mapper supported by almost every emulator ever written, ancient tools can dump it without problems, and the code itself is basic and doesn't use any tricks that might fool emulators.  And yes, Nesticle from 1997 really does run it!

It is good that it runs, but shouldn't be impressive.  Also wonder if it will run all versions including the LE ones too.  Someone is going to be angry their v1.0 fails...


Jun 2, 2014 at 12:14:22 AM
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@GibbyVA: Pity that none of the Piko games besides "Super 4-in-1" work on the Retron. Piko's "4-in-1" was part of a Kickstarter deal with the Retron5. Also, did you select a game and actually play it on the 4-in-1 cart?

Reason why I ask is the 4-in-1 uses a Bankswitch scheme. I tried dumping it with my Retrode and only got the Bootloader, meaning the menu resets ad-infinitum when you try to load a game. I just wanted confirmation that it is actually possible to load all four sub-games using the 4-in-1 cart with the Retron5.

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Jun 2, 2014 at 7:43:05 AM
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Originally posted by: stardust4ever

@GibbyVA: Pity that none of the Piko games besides "Super 4-in-1" work on the Retron. Piko's "4-in-1" was part of a Kickstarter deal with the Retron5. Also, did you select a game and actually play it on the 4-in-1 cart?

Reason why I ask is the 4-in-1 uses a Bankswitch scheme. I tried dumping it with my Retrode and only got the Bootloader, meaning the menu resets ad-infinitum when you try to load a game. I just wanted confirmation that it is actually possible to load all four sub-games using the 4-in-1 cart with the Retron5.

I played all four games and they work fine. I did forget to mention though.. there are problems if you soft reset in the R5 menu for two of them. This means you have to remove the cartridge and insert it again once you've started them in order to change to one of the other four.

Mazezam - Plays fine, soft reset takes you back to the 4-1 menu screen
N-Warp Daisakusen - Plays fine, soft reset crashes the Retron 5
Skipp & Friends - Plays fine, soft reset gives you a scrambled screen of green/black
UWOL Quest for Money - Plays fine, soft reset takes you back to the 4-1 menu screen

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Edited: 06/02/2014 at 07:44 AM by GibbyVA

Jun 2, 2014 at 8:23:46 AM
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A couple things I'd recommend for the spreadsheet...

Each system should be it's own sheet. Easier to view and navigate instead of scrolling right.

Extra columns for game version. For example, there are Mother 3 reproductions, then there is my Mother 3 reproduction which is a bit different. One may work and the other might not.


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Jun 2, 2014 at 9:47:43 AM
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Originally posted by: drclaw411

 



Aren't those all Retro USB games? Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't we known for a while that those games wouldn't work because of some incredibly weird mapper used on them to keep them from being dumped and sold on other websites?
As far as I know only Study Hall and a few other more recent homebrew games have a totally unique mapper.
(Glider may also fall into that category due to how the reflashable cartridge works, but I dont' know for sure).

So none of the "classic" RetroUSB releases have anything other than fairly common mappers.



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Jun 2, 2014 at 10:42:22 AM
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What mapper does the pirate Konami famicom games use? I'm curious considering the legit games use those VRC chips. It is kind of weird if I remember right seeing that DK original edition isn't running as that's a very basic game.

Jun 2, 2014 at 10:51:23 AM
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Nothing is undumpable. Not NES, SNES, GBA, or even 3DS (though in the latter case, you've got encryption and DCMA bylaw to contend with).

Study Hall and the other recent flash saving homebrews (RetroUSB flashable "UOROM", "UNROM", or whatever it is, which is a totally different beast from the Nintendo boards) have already been emulated and newly assigned iNES Mapper #30. I know this from an inside source. There are beta builds of FCEU which already support the RetroUSB "flash" mapper. Honestly, while the mechanism is completely different, in principle it works almost like the FDS, where the save data is permanently written to the game media itself instead of battery-backed SRAM. For FCEU implementation, the emulator makes a copy of the ROM as a headerless SAV file and writes the changes there.

However, I doubt Hyperkin could be bothered with their lazy half-assed engineering team to add support for brand new homebrew mappers. They can't even be arsed to get most Camerica carts working, and those were valid US releases; even if unlicensed they still count as part of the library...

@Tanooki DK "Complete" Edition is technically a 2010 VC release from deep within the Nintendo vault, that got leaked in a limited edition Wii bundle, and subsequently dumped by hackers. I believe Brian patched the cart ever so slightly to avoid bus conflicts on real hardware which caused graphical corruption in the "Pie" level. Either way, it uses a dirt simple 74xx161 mapper, CNROM (iNES #3), same mapper DK Classics used. Any of the older RetroUSB releases that utilise the Repropak PCB with the 74xx161 chips are dirt simple mappers. Hyperkin needs to do some heuristics and figure out a way to detect the discrete mapper games in order to run them as "unknown game".

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Edited: 06/02/2014 at 11:00 AM by Kosmic StarDust

Jun 2, 2014 at 10:54:13 AM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: drclaw411

Aren't those all Retro USB games? Maybe I'm wrong, but haven't we known for a while that those games wouldn't work because of some incredibly weird mapper used on them to keep them from being dumped and sold on other websites?
As far as I know only Study Hall and a few other more recent homebrew games have a totally unique mapper.
(Glider may also fall into that category due to how the reflashable cartridge works, but I dont' know for sure).

So none of the "classic" RetroUSB releases have anything other than fairly common mappers.

The only unique part about Study Hall is the self flashable rom for high scores, other than that it is just basic unrom like BK1.  Was developed on and works fine (without saving scores) on emulators that don't have that part. 

Glider isn't self flashable so it acts like unrom except when copynes is in control, but it does have extra chr ram.  Again it still runs in emulators, just has graphics problems if the emulator doesn't add the ram.

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I think the Camerica stuff will get ironed out as they appear to be primarily interested in the period releases, anything after that just seems to be depending on how much people complain and how much data they can get to be arsed to fix it. Personally I have to say, if the worst of it is that some pirate and homebrew stuff is wacky on the thing I'm 100% happy with that as I still have the Sharp. As long as my weird chipped famicom and snes games run I intend to put the DK console most likely back in the box as it has almost no hours on it, and put the rca toploader up too and just keep the controllers out due to personal comfort unless I fall in love with the clickstick but even then bluetooth I'd think would have some input lag being wireless.

Jun 2, 2014 at 11:04:25 AM
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Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Study Hall and the other recent flash saving homebrews (RetroUSB flashable "UOROM", "UNROM", or whatever it is, which is a totally different beast from the Nintendo boards) have already been emulated and newly assigned iNES Mapper #30. I know this from an inside source. There are beta builds of FCEU which already support the RetroUSB "flash" mapper.
I didn't realize this was secret information.

http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.ph...


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Jun 2, 2014 at 11:18:32 AM
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Originally posted by: KHAN Games

Originally posted by: stardust4ever

Study Hall and the other recent flash saving homebrews (RetroUSB flashable "UOROM", "UNROM", or whatever it is, which is a totally different beast from the Nintendo boards) have already been emulated and newly assigned iNES Mapper #30. I know this from an inside source. There are beta builds of FCEU which already support the RetroUSB "flash" mapper.
I didn't realize this was secret information.

http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/UNROM_512
 

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Jun 2, 2014 at 11:33:13 AM
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Well you know maybe their emulator or checker coder is a dimwit going by what he/they can figure out on their own. Perhaps instead of cracking on them, start emailing their tech guy through facebook every one of these things because then there would entirely be zero excuse for any legit homebrew or pirate copy 'repro' from retrousb or whoever to properly work. Yeah it's not the fans and customers job to do the footwork as that shows laziness or indifference, but if it's handed to them the excuses are pretty much gone.