^This. I've run into the same problem, such as a seller not leaving feedback and giving items that were not as described. As the buyer, you are then forced to decide if you will give them positive feedback or not and risk a retaliatory.
 

If you're running into this pickle, you can still PM any mod for assistance and we'll do what we can.

Just because the HOS went away doesn't mean that we're no longer helping out in transaction issues, definitely get a hold of one of us when needed.

 

I am fine with the HOS being gone, I've never really used it for seeing who not to deal with, and word gets around anyway. I always check feedback before dealing with anybody and so far it's worked out for me. And if a transaction goes south, I have no issue speaking to a mod about it. Once it was mentioned that the feedback system is getting revamped it no longer made sense to keep the HOS IMO. Remember mods are helping out, not getting paid. Why should their work be unnecessarily harder than it already is?

You do realize that at one point everyone in this thread was a new user with zero feedback.  That being said, I've never seen anyone openly discriminate on here based on feedback numbers. 

If you're worried about dealing with someone, check out their feedback, I do it on the rare occasion that I buy something on here, if I don't know them. 

We (the mods) are still going to do everything we can to help with NA transactions, and I'd encourage everyone to be honest with their feedback.  Feedback that is purely retaliatory will be dealt with. 

I do know that everyone started somewhere. I'd assume there are people that are cautious of dealing with someone who is unknown. Especially when high dollar items are concerned. I'll be fine, I was just saying that would be the only thing that could concern me.

just don't go making offers on stadium events and you'll be fine  if you want to trade you'll be expected to send first. If you're buying just start small. Or if you're selling, also start small. Do you have feedback on eBay or other forums? You could anyways point to that. You'll build some feedback in no time.  

Perfect! Exactly this

Yeah, I buy on ebay a bit.  I also know Brock_Landers outside of this board and have bought/sold with him before.

What sucks is that I am going for $100 range games at the moment, ha.  Not the highest end games but just enough to be wary.

pretty sure my first buy here was 150  compared to some of the transactions taking place here that's nothing 

Buying you should be okay, just make sure you're using normal Paypal and you're covered.

Get lots of pics too, or at minimum a board pic.

 

I've never opened a cart before. You need a special tool for that, right?

http://m.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=...

I'll probably get one of those sets soon. I've got some expensive ones like Hagane that I have no reason to believe are fake... but it would be nice to know. But anyways, thanks for the responses guys.

Also if you can't find legit board pictures for any of your expensive games like hagane you could always post in the help wanted section and I'm sure someone will help :-)

This is my only concern with the whole thing. Not complaining or saying bring back hos - it's dain and the mods site to run and it's their call. Maybe an easier alternative to this issue could be discussed though. The issue I have is when someone does a FS thread listing a game at certain price. If someone else accepts their offer, it should be binding (assuming it fits any of the other terms they listed like user must have x amount of feedback). If you list a sought after game for sale at 100 bucks, that offer should be binding, or the fs thread becomes a pretty illegitimate market place. For example, someone shouldn't be able to opt out on a buyer who accepted that offer because an in person buyer offered more the next day. More importantly, if the community knows there's no recourse until theres a transaction in place, a late to the party buyer could offer 110 to make sure the guys who accepted first get screwed. Yes, a seller should have the right to field offers, but that's what FO is for. In the same sense that if you list something on eBay or anywhere else at a certain price, you are bound to deliver when that offer is accepted, that needs to be respected in any legitimate sales thread. It is the most basic principle of contract law.

In law school, first lesson in contract law is offer + acceptance + consideration = contract. Consideration is basically some consequence/loss offered in the event a party backs out. That's where hos came in. You screw someone when there is an agreement - it jeopardizes your future potential to do business here. I've been on the crap end of this here more than once and the hos provided a fair consequence. Multiple buyers and seller who included shipping in price went to closest buyer geographically rather than first to accept offer. Multiple buyers and seller chose to sell to a friend who replied two days after i accepted the offer. Etc. If there is no consequence for failing to honor offers of clear terms, this marketplace becomes one where sellers have too much leveraget and no rules to follow. These things can be reviewed/enforced by mods looking at pms. If that's too much, eliminate FS and allow only FO as FS is entirely disingenuous.  

The consequence is they get banned if they do a bunch of stuff like that. Trust me, we will know. 

Unless a transaction is in effect, people can choose to list it how they wish. 

Edit: Let me clarify. Since NA makes no money off transactions, we really have no recourse against people that abuse the systen (other than banning) so people that take advantage are subject to our rules. 

Once again, unless a tranaction is in effect people can do as they wish (within reason). If you tell someone a high value item is theirs, and they tell you they are selling an item to make sure they have enough to pay you, and at the 11th hour you decide to take more money we will address that when it happens.