If community dumps are horse turds, how would such unreleased games ever be released? Obviously besides people like yourself who releases them for free!

Well I hope we're setting the example and that others will follow suit!

+1

We're going to agree to disagree here.

It is completely unfair to "expect" people to BUY an unreleased proto and RELEASE IT FOR FREE. So the guys in there that think that is ok, why don't YOU GUYS buy protos and release them for free because spending thousands of dollars to do it sure is a pain in the ass.

The reason WHY community dumps came about it because the value of the game goes down once it is dumped. It's a fact with protos.

Also, keep in mind releasing games for $50 a pop on stuff none of us have the rights to is just as bad. AS much as we all like to support homebrews, we don't have the rights to begin with. And the $200-500 "limited edition" versions of games that we don't have rights to? If you guys don't see how that is just as bad as "dumping for dollars" just because it's on physical media I'm not really sure you guys really understand this concept.

Take this for example: $1500-2000 for a dump of Mike Tyson vs me deciding to "release 50 copies" of an unreleased Genesis game with case/manual that I STILL owe money to Mark/Matt because well, it hasn't sold out and now that it is dumped people don't want to pay for it.

Logic and truth: once the game is dumped, that's it. I know that the guy that had California Raisins offers at $3000, dumped it for free, and then couldn't sell it for $500-600 if I recall correctly. Great that it was dumped, but business-wise that was silly. Lost $2500 so people could play it for free, people would "forget" and then everyone EXPECTS more free shit later on. This is precisely why I loathed dumping for so long. Personally I could care less if things are dumped or not, but the people that still expect the games to be free need to just give me their house, their car, their collection, because, well, you know, I just want it, and you should give it away.

Now if people want to see games dumped, heck, I'll sell anything but people don't want to pay even "fair" prices sometimes, they want it dumped for free.....or expect me to know how to do it...as much as Mark/Matt have dumped stuff they STILL get asked to do stuff for free. I am sure there are things like in my collection they just WON'T dump.


Now about this Resident Evil game....it's not public knowledge where the game came from, but I can assure you he is taking a hit on the cost (by a LARGE margin) and the game pretty much is complete and authentic. There's something I didn't "dump" but you guys should know Resident Evil stuff is very much in demand.

There really is no "right from wrong" here, 95% of the people posting in here don't even own protos or care about them (jonebone yes I know you own a proto =P) so when people "post" their logic about what they expect it makes no sense, even down to the perceived "value" of a proto.

Rarity is highest when you deal with protos. That is basic logic. You guys will use that in terms of released games to get high dollar amounts, but we all know how volatile these things are...I've had 10-12 Genesis protos dumped for cash, and I've traded numerous things from my NES collection back and forth to GET THEM dumped, but even with all this (and the fact most of you probably don't realize 25-30 unreleased NES protos on the web came from stuff I have, and at least 10-12 Genesis and who knows how many disk system games) but no one remembers that kind of stuff because, well, I don't really advertise it.

I just think it's kind of funny what "bothers" people in general, dumping for money, making repros without licenses, I mean, it is what it is, it's all the same thing, lol....

Just know that to keep with topic at hand, the dude paid a hell of a lot more than 2K for that RE proto.

Some people think there are more important things than money, DreamTR. I've released several unreleased games on my site (including a couple I purchased myself), and I don't ask for anything, because I think that having the data preserved is more important than money. And by preservation, I mean more than just having the ROM image distributed, I mean going through and checking for changes.

Obviously, you intend to have some monetary gain on your prototypes at some point. That is fine, but really, if you don't want pestering from people, you should keep your collection private.

Badinsults: You can preserve the data on your own hard drive. And about "going through and checking for changes", with the amount of protos I have, that's impossible. You need to be familiar with both final and standard versions of the game, and have time on your hands. The sheer volume of stuff I have plus the fact I own a business, have a family, etc just would never compute, that is why when people ask for changes on these games they don't realize how crazy that actually sounds....

And about my collection being private...it IS private. There is an old list of stuff from years ago that is extremely outdated from drx's site....no one knows what I have or don't have anymore these days unless I bring it up in forum but I have no website with lists of my stuff or pics. If people want to "preserve" or get this stuff "saved" no one has anyone to blame but themselves because I have stated numerous times people can do that if they come to my place....some stuff is saved, some stuff isn't....

No one ever "pesters" me by asking about stuff, no one ever asks me to dump things for free anymore, I am merely commenting about people that seem to "expect" it to be done.

I know things are more important than money. History of these things is important. Why do you think I acquired/saved so many of these from being thrown away/trashed? I just think that the expectation of someone who got all these to give them away is rather silly.

I just know there is a wealth of stuff here hanging out for people to have years and years of pictures/info, etc but I'm not the one to be doing it so if someone else wants to take that on...bring some money by, get a plane ticket and get started = P

Well said on both ends. I know very little about protos(value, rarity, exc.)but i say to each his own. I appreciate a free rom dump as much a the next guy but i also understand and respect that most owners of protos would expect some kind of compensation for all they have investested(money and time to aquire). I like to have a physical copy of many of the games myself, even if there is a rom for it but lots of people won't spend the cash if its already dumped. As soon as i get my tax check in early February i plan to donate a bit to help get resident evil gbc released. It's not like just 1 of us has to give $2000 or more like the original owner shelled out. If every resident evil/gameboy fan here just donated $5-10, the money would be raised super quick. Seriously, are you telling me that there are not 2000 resident evil fans worldwide willng to spend just $1 each to have a new vintage resident evil for everyone to play? That's all it would take and a few bucks isn't really much to ask if your a real fan of re or gb. Im going to support this project because i want to play it myself,lol, and in hopes that if it succeeds there may be future rom release fundraisers for games that otherwise would never see the light of day. All this being said, i still support both free and community dumps because in the end everyone is happy. New retro games for the community are great, any way we can get them. Thanks guys!

Discussed on 1up.com:

http://www.1up.com/news/ransom-ga...


Oh, and they apparently released the rom. Check OP's link.

Just pointing out the abuse of terminology, here.

"Homebrews" are unique games made by individuals who actually do own the IP and have rights to do whatever they want with it.

Proto dumps and hacks (i.e. everything commonly called "reproductions") are NOT homebrew games.

http://www.assemblergames.com/for...

"PacoChan" released an IPS Patch for the dumped rom, which corrects a number of bugs that prohibited you from moving along in the game.