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AVS on 4k TVs How does it look?

Jan 4, 2017 at 12:14:01 PM
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I was considering buying an AVS or an Analogue NT, but I'm currently leaning towards the AVS. However, I was wondering how it would look on my TV. I would hook it up to a 4k 65'' screen (or is it 55'', I forget...). I saw that in bunnyboy's setup the AVS looked great in his 4k screen, and wanted to know if other users of 4k TV have the same experience or if different models can look any different.

Can anyone share their experience?

 

Jan 4, 2017 at 12:17:18 PM
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I play mine on my JS9500 no problem. Looks great.

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Jan 4, 2017 at 12:31:29 PM
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The great thing about the NES's original 240 resolution and the 720 resolution of the AVS is that they both scale by integers into a 4k TV's 2160 vertical resolution.

Jan 4, 2017 at 12:36:03 PM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa

The great thing about the NES's original 240 resolution and the 720 resolution of the AVS is that they both scale by integers into a 4k TV's 2160 vertical resolution.



so it would look about the same? I mean these games are pixelated by nature, so there's not much more a 4k could do to make it look better, the main draw of the AVS is how sharp your image looks on an HD TV, right?

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Jan 4, 2017 at 12:43:03 PM
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Originally posted by: BertBerryCrunch
 
Originally posted by: Tulpa

The great thing about the NES's original 240 resolution and the 720 resolution of the AVS is that they both scale by integers into a 4k TV's 2160 vertical resolution.



so it would look about the same? I mean these games are pixelated by nature, so there's not much more a 4k could do to make it look better, the main draw of the AVS is how sharp your image looks on an HD TV, right?
It doesn't have to extrapolate pixels like from 720 to 1080 (which don't scale into each other by integers.) 240 x 3 = 720, and 720 x 3 = 2160, so the pixels simply scale by a factor of 3.

Going from 720 to 1080 isn't necessarily bad, but it depends on your TV's scaler at that point.

 

Jan 4, 2017 at 2:25:02 PM
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But in a 4k TV would there be a significant difference between the AVS outputting at 720p and an Analogue NT, for instance, outputting at 1080p?

Jan 4, 2017 at 2:27:21 PM
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Originally posted by: DuarteDF

But in a 4k TV would there be a significant difference between the AVS outputting at 720p and an Analogue NT, for instance, outputting at 1080p?
Would probably depend on the particular TV (not all TVs scale the same.)

 

Jan 4, 2017 at 2:45:38 PM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa
 
Originally posted by: DuarteDF

But in a 4k TV would there be a significant difference between the AVS outputting at 720p and an Analogue NT, for instance, outputting at 1080p?
Would probably depend on the particular TV (not all TVs scale the same.)

It shouldn't matter as both 720p (1280 x 720) and 1080p (1920 x 1080) scale perfectly to 4k (3840 x 2160), 3x for 720p and 2x for 1080p.  In both instances, each machine is working with the same original number of pixels, so I don't think there'd be any real difference so long as the TV is actually exactly 4k.  I recall seeing some monitors and TVs in the early days of 1080p coming onto the scene that technically had more pixels (I don't recall the exact numbers, but say 2000 x 1100 just for throwaway reference) and, I supposed, could show 1080p content, but didn't have a 1:1 pixel ratio with the 1080p standard.

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Jan 4, 2017 at 2:51:59 PM
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Originally posted by: darkchylde28
 
Originally posted by: Tulpa
 
Originally posted by: DuarteDF

But in a 4k TV would there be a significant difference between the AVS outputting at 720p and an Analogue NT, for instance, outputting at 1080p?
Would probably depend on the particular TV (not all TVs scale the same.)

It shouldn't matter as both 720p (1280 x 720) and 1080p (1920 x 1080) scale perfectly to 4k (3840 x 2160), 3x for 720p and 2x for 1080p.  In both instances, each machine is working with the same original number of pixels, so I don't think there'd be any real difference so long as the TV is actually exactly 4k.  I recall seeing some monitors and TVs in the early days of 1080p coming onto the scene that technically had more pixels (I don't recall the exact numbers, but say 2000 x 1100 just for throwaway reference) and, I supposed, could show 1080p content, but didn't have a 1:1 pixel ratio with the 1080p standard.
That's true, I forgot 1080 and 2160 are integer scaled.   Though 240 and 1080 are not. I wonder what type of scaler the Analogue NT uses.

 


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Jan 4, 2017 at 3:04:10 PM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa

That's true, I forgot 1080 and 2160 are integer scaled.   Though 240 and 1080 are not. I wonder what type of scaler the Analogue NT uses.

I'm probably completely wrong here and fully admit that I'm out of my depth speculating here, but I was under the impression that in standard terms, neither the NT nor the AVS use one, at least not anything that would be off the shelf.  I assumed that both systems did their hoodoo as part of the custom code and unique hardware combinations that Kevtris and bunnyboy threw into each (the Hi-Def NES that's used in the NT for Kevtris and the AVS itself for bunnyboy).  As I believe I understand it, everything is done within those unique sets of electronics and not through any sort of off-the-shelf solution that could be easily compared/contrasted against other such hardware.  Anyone who has the technical expertise to advise, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (or pat me on the head if I managed to connect all the dots correctly, lol).

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Jan 4, 2017 at 9:03:14 PM
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Originally posted by: darkchylde28
 
Originally posted by: Tulpa
 
Originally posted by: DuarteDF

But in a 4k TV would there be a significant difference between the AVS outputting at 720p and an Analogue NT, for instance, outputting at 1080p?
Would probably depend on the particular TV (not all TVs scale the same.)

It shouldn't matter as both 720p (1280 x 720) and 1080p (1920 x 1080) scale perfectly to 4k (3840 x 2160), 3x for 720p and 2x for 1080p.  In both instances, each machine is working with the same original number of pixels, so I don't think there'd be any real difference so long as the TV is actually exactly 4k.  I recall seeing some monitors and TVs in the early days of 1080p coming onto the scene that technically had more pixels (I don't recall the exact numbers, but say 2000 x 1100 just for throwaway reference) and, I supposed, could show 1080p content, but didn't have a 1:1 pixel ratio with the 1080p standard.

I see, that makes sense. Thanks a lot for the input!
 

Jan 9, 2017 at 11:10:10 PM
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On my Sony, 4K TV (55 inches) it scales extremely well, and looks excellent.

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Jan 11, 2017 at 3:27:18 PM
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Originally posted by: avlon

On my Sony, 4K TV (55 inches) it scales extremely well, and looks excellent.

Cool, thanks!

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