Originally posted by: SoleGooseProductions
Originally posted by: behemos
I'm a writer. If I didn't take criticism (and listen to it when it improves my work), I'd be out of a job.
I don't believe in the idea of unwanted criticism. Good critiques can come from the most surprising places. So to push aside critiques because you didn't specifically ask for them is short-sighted. It's a refusal to get better. It's fear that someone might have a better idea than you. If you want to grow in your field, you have to be willing to improve.
I agree with user. Ignoring criticism is horribly insecure. Of course not all critiques are good. Some are terrible. But to simply ignore all things that come at you either means a) you think you're perfect, or b) you're insecure. Neither is a good train of thought.
TL;DR - Some of y'all be too sensitive. Public forums aren't safe spaces.
The whole point of the OP was to ask that people maybe consider the
other. You like unsolicited and any and all criticism, it helps you out, great. The point is to think before speaking, and take into account someone other than yourself. It's not about fear, it's about respect and decency.
Public forums are what we make them. Most of us here in the Brewery are friends, have talked privately at one time or another, or have even met each other. We value each other's opinions and thoughts, and respect their work, but in some cases perhaps there is a more appropriate way to dole them out. I'm cursing that "Recent Topics" button right now, since if you have not been reading many of the recent posts this comes across as a "make the whole internet better" thread and not a simple request to clean up some of the garbage behaviour that has been taking place recently. The Brewery is only as strong as those who are actively involved in it, so it is exactly what we make of it. It can be a safe place, or it can be a place where people do not even bother to post because they see a bunch of children and can do without that. They show up to post "Buy this game" and not to honestly participate. What brings people in, and what keeps them out?
Originally posted by: Ichinisan
People shouldn't start a discussion if they don't want people to discuss openly. Only allowing positive comments is absurd.
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I read about 25% of your posts at this point man, since the rest are flippant, nihilistic nonsense. You have a wealth of knowledge about things and could really contribute, but you have to care about something once in a while. Criticism and discussion that stems from genuine concern is easy to spot, but so is the opposite. Jerbilly always appeared that way. He'd bring stuff up, make seemingly irrelevant comments, talk in weird circles, whatever, but under it all was a real concern to call people to a point where they examine their actions and reflect. He believed in change and community, and I am sure that he still does wherever he is at.
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As for lancuster...? You showed up and trolled threads to the point that most of us thought that you were a banned user under another name. You get what you give, and changing that can be an uphill battle.
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Well, I went on a hike earlier and had resolved to ask that the topic be locked when I got back, before seeing the results, but Kyle and Chris, your comments leave me feeling like it should stay open. Discuss, decide what you want this place to be, whatever. As for me, I'm going to take a break from the internets for a while I think. I'll be back, because I do care about this community and feel a responsibility as an active member, but everyone needs a break sometimes.
""" The whole point of the OP was to ask that people maybe consider the other. """
And this includes the OP himself.
You cannot force the whole community to share your same views.
And being friends, does not mean being bind to hypocrisy.
Best way to avoid people telling you that your graphics are incoherent, it is to avoid publishing a product in which the graphics are incoherent. If you deliberately do so, be prepared to the criticism and how you want to face it and deal with it, justifying and explaining your designing choice.
The most disappointing aspect of all this, it is the worrying level amount of conflict of interest reigning into this brewery, to the point that a member stating a technical opinion about a work, gets called out in this way.
I care about keeping my member status within this brewery as well, but I can't help thinking that, unless some childish mentalities will go extinct soon, my contribution in future will be smaller, my presence more occasional than before, and my projects being developed and proposed in here will be rarer.
""" it's about respect and decency. """
vs.
""" A bit more of coherence, at least in some broad basic style choice, would help the game look better. """
Where is the lack of respect, where is the lack of decency?
After several hours, I still feel sad about this, I probably need a break too.
No matter what, I want to still consider you a friend.
Edit: misspelling correction.
