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0-to-X High Scores!!! Who will be the tile pushing master?

Jul 22, 2016 at 1:12:30 AM
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I cracked level 9 again tonight. So far three level 9s and no X Champion yet. Anyway here's a screenshot of my updated roster with username clearly in view. My previous score of 8875 still stands. Second line #2_AJW_8875_9


BRB is one step from elimination of the score table. ARC, whomever you are, you are getting demoted once I finally hit X...  

@user I noticed you recommended keeping the highest ranked tile pinned to one of the corners as a strategy. This is hard to do in practice. Suppose I aim for the lower left tile. Once I have to shift up or to the right, a pesky 0 or 1 appears in an inopportune spot and the high tile meanders into the middle of the puzzle, again. Afterwords it is very difficult to park it back into a corner.

@sologooseproductions are you going to update the leaderboard, or are you only including X or higher ranked scores?

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Edited: 07/22/2016 at 02:53 AM by Kosmic StarDust

Jul 22, 2016 at 1:23:59 AM
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Making Progress. Scored an 8 with 7055 points.



Pretty damn addictive and lovin' the tunes!

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Jul 22, 2016 at 2:52:02 AM
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^^Congrats!  

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Jul 23, 2016 at 1:42:12 AM
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Whats on your console?
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust

Originally posted by: JamesRobot

5573 I can't get past 7. I feel dumb.

Ouch JamesRobot. Keep working at it. Yeah this game gets exponentially more challenging with each level, and I am very methodical with my moves. 9 appears to be my current limit, having only hit it twice so far, but I can hit 8 with regularity. X seems out of reach sadly...

Here's a new way to play. Try to get the lowest score possible. The board must be locked with no matching tiles remaining. Here is my lowball submission, 1255pts...  



i cant get past level 8 but id like to thank sgp for thus game that has no story. I can get into it way easy, the talking in games these days i turn most of em off before the intro. Thanks

Jul 23, 2016 at 4:31:47 AM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust

@user I noticed you recommended keeping the highest ranked tile pinned to one of the corners as a strategy. This is hard to do in practice. Suppose I aim for the lower left tile. Once I have to shift up or to the right, a pesky 0 or 1 appears in an inopportune spot and the high tile meanders into the middle of the puzzle, again. Afterwords it is very difficult to park it back into a corner.

There is some luck involved. However, as a generic strategy to reach some point, to try to keep the highest tile in one of the corners is a pretty good, easy strategy for a newcomer to adopt, up to some point. Then of course, you'll never play a puzzle game mechanically to win, you need to think about each move, else where is the challenge? And again, I'm not a master, I could never go past X+something, and I played the game quite a bit. Someone else will maybe give better advice.

Jul 23, 2016 at 5:26:57 AM
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Originally posted by: hydroMorphoneMat

Whats on your console?
 
i cant get past level 8 but id like to thank sgp for thus game that has no story. I can get into it way easy, the talking in games these days i turn most of em off before the intro. Thanks
I assume you are referring to the big red knob? It's a volume pot for tweaking the expansion audio coming from Powerpak and whatever other NES cart utilizing the extra sound channel. Instead of a 47k resisior, a grounded 10k audio taper pot can adjust the signal from 0-100% Audio feels balanced at the 2/3 position.

Also stories in video games can be good if done right, even in a puzzle game. Khan's The Incident tells a nice rudimentary story between every ten levels that doesn't get in the way of the block pushing. I guess SoloGoose could have made up a story to explain why it is necessary to combine tiles to achieve higher rank, but IMO it isn't necessary.

Sometimes it can make for entertaining reads in the manual though. For instance, Chetiry, a Tetris Clone for Atari 2600 sold in the AA store, gives an elaborate back story about Soviets domination of the proletariat and world superiority by converting broken tetrominoes into long usable beams. Totally irrelevant to gameplay I might add, but humorous nonetheless.

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Edited: 07/23/2016 at 05:28 AM by Kosmic StarDust

Jul 23, 2016 at 5:33:22 AM
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Bro stories in games aint done right. Too much talk re6 perfect examples. Re five was fun cuz i was on drugs and had a online buddy. I can barely play Digaea anymore. Mgs phantom pain is playable cause i can skip Shit. I love mgs4 but the story now, im not sure i can sit through half of it. As im getting older i can watch someone else play but i cant play it. I went back to my sega16 user name. Segas morw arcade. Nintendo is where my social is. Sega is imo less story

Jul 23, 2016 at 6:42:05 AM
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Story gives the game purpose. I cannot for the life of me figure out why I am combining tiles to generate higher values.

Or dropping oddly shaped blocks of four to form solid rows,

Or throwing pills in a jar pretending to be a doctor,

Or clearing rows and columns of cookies, only to be consumed by a weird dinosaur who wears a saddle,

Or playing as a guy in a mushroom hat, throwing bombs to annihilate animals in a forest, while an evil plumber antagonizes me,

Or dropping pillars of jewels,

Or shooting Marbles skywards to form clusters of like colors which then fall offscreen,

Or swapping tiles to match three of anything horizontally, vertically, or diagonally,

Or matching bubbles farted out by a naked chick taking a bath (yes, I went there ),

But I know I cannot, must not stop repeating the same actions ad-infinitum until greeted by the great GAME OVER.

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Jul 23, 2016 at 1:13:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: SoleGooseProductions
 
Originally posted by: Fleck586
 
Originally posted by: Fleck586

10652 with 1X. I will post higher scores soon, hopefully



Lol! I will remind you that you have a pic. Can't figure out how to do it from my phone. Thanks for the welcome! We had a blast. Many pints of Guinness went down nice and smooth.



You're playing to my soft spots, I know what it is like trying to post pictures from a phone. Anyways, now everyone can know that you are the reason why I made a big deal about not stopping at X. Don't get excited and press Start when "Champion" appears  .
 
Originally sent by: Fleck586



This will probably get overlooked down here, but I added a note to the OP. Hold A on Power or Reset to reset the default high scores. This will erase your saves, if that isn't clear.
 
@Fleck: Looks like you were having an awesome game. Why'd you stop?  

@SoloGoose: is there a warning screen before it erases the high score or does it silently wipe them?  
 
Originally posted by: The Hero

Do i need to send my pic again too? Oh man someone got 10,000 I was happy just to get to 9 and call it quits.
What was your score Hero? Seems like we're equaly yoked. We got nothing on those beta testers though, using emulators with save states!  

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I did this like in 2 days But really didnt feel like going any farther! Too much work to do!

Jul 23, 2016 at 6:27:30 PM
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Welcome to the cloud nine club, Hero!  

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Jul 24, 2016 at 2:30:10 AM
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Yes! 9 with 8755 points. Lovin the game! I'm completely addicted.


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Jul 24, 2016 at 3:02:31 PM
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My skills are improving. Hitting level 9 with regularity now. Also tied my previous high score twice this afternoon...


Won't be long now untill I hit "X".  

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Edited: 07/24/2016 at 04:45 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Jul 24, 2016 at 5:25:15 PM
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If you guys manage to reach an X anytime soon, you reached it way faster than me.  

Jul 24, 2016 at 5:39:12 PM
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Originally posted by: user

If you guys manage to reach an X anytime soon, you reached it way faster than me.  
Outside of the beta testers, only one person who bought the NA version game has posted a confirmed level X score, and that individual has yet to post again (though he swore he could reach x2.) Level X is a tough nut to crack! When I finaly reach X, I'm probably gonna sign my initials as XXX!  

Also I'm curious how the scoring works. It seems as I progress to higher level, lower teir matches become worth less, until they fail to advance the score at all. Also the fact I and others have a tendancy to score the same final score multiple times, lends me to believe the point values scored for matching tiles aren't at all random.

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Edited: 07/24/2016 at 06:27 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Jul 24, 2016 at 6:24:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust

Here's a new way to play. Try to get the lowest score possible. The board must be locked with no matching tiles remaining. Here is my lowball submission, 1255pts...  
Just beat my own record. Game over on stage 2 with 633 points?!  

I am obsessed with this game, LOL!  

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Edited: 07/24/2016 at 06:26 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Jul 24, 2016 at 6:39:28 PM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust

Originally posted by: user

If you guys manage to reach an X anytime soon, you reached it way faster than me.  
Outside of the beta testers, only one person who bought the NA version game has posted a confirmed level X score, and that individual has yet to post again (though he swore he could reach x2.) Level X is a tough nut to crack! When I finaly reach X, I'm probably gonna sign my initials as XXX!  

Also I'm curious how the scoring works. It seems as I progress to higher level, lower teir matches become worth less, until they fail to advance the score at all. Also the fact I and others have a tendancy to score the same final score multiple times, lends me to believe the point values scored for matching tiles aren't at all random.





I got it on my sixth time playing the game, which is why I really want to get a 2X and prove my worth. Lol! I've been out of the country and got back last week only to go out of town for work and again this weekend for a 40th Bday party. I haven't had time to play except once and I got a 9, but made a bad move and screwed myself.

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Jul 24, 2016 at 7:03:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Fleck586
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: user

If you guys manage to reach an X anytime soon, you reached it way faster than me.  
Outside of the beta testers, only one person who bought the NA version game has posted a confirmed level X score, and that individual has yet to post again (though he swore he could reach x2.) Level X is a tough nut to crack! When I finaly reach X, I'm probably gonna sign my initials as XXX!  

Also I'm curious how the scoring works. It seems as I progress to higher level, lower teir matches become worth less, until they fail to advance the score at all. Also the fact I and others have a tendancy to score the same final score multiple times, lends me to believe the point values scored for matching tiles aren't at all random.



I got it on my sixth time playing the game, which is why I really want to get a 2X and prove my worth. Lol! I've been out of the country and got back last week only to go out of town for work and again this weekend for a 40th Bday party. I haven't had time to play except once and I got a 9, but made a bad move and screwed myself.
Good luck! I 've been playing almost non-stop. My problem is I'm playing so fast getting to stage 8 or 9, that I don't slow down and plan out my moves and get stuck. Looking forward to seeing your next submission!  

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Edited: 07/24/2016 at 07:03 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Jul 24, 2016 at 7:18:31 PM
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Originally posted by: Fleck586
 
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
 
Originally posted by: user

If you guys manage to reach an X anytime soon, you reached it way faster than me.  
Outside of the beta testers, only one person who bought the NA version game has posted a confirmed level X score, and that individual has yet to post again (though he swore he could reach x2.) Level X is a tough nut to crack! When I finaly reach X, I'm probably gonna sign my initials as XXX!  

Also I'm curious how the scoring works. It seems as I progress to higher level, lower teir matches become worth less, until they fail to advance the score at all. Also the fact I and others have a tendancy to score the same final score multiple times, lends me to believe the point values scored for matching tiles aren't at all random.
I got it on my sixth time playing the game, which is why I really want to get a 2X and prove my worth. Lol! I've been out of the country and got back last week only to go out of town for work and again this weekend for a 40th Bday party. I haven't had time to play except once and I got a 9, but made a bad move and screwed myself.
Happy Birthday!  

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100 * ( BestTile^2 + SecondBestTile) + 10 * (0 to 9 depending on 3rd best tile) + 0 to 9 depending on 4th best tile.

For instance: X 9 8 7 = 10000 + 900 + 80 + 7 = 10987

The last two digits values are stored in a lookup table: like if 4th tile is a 2 and best tile is a 4, the last digit will be (IIRC) 5, while if the 4th tile is a 2 and best tile is an X, then it will be 2. However, high part of the score is always:
100 * ( BestTile^2 + SecondBestTile); so

1,0 = 1xx
2,0 = 4xx
2,1 = 5xx
7,0 = 49xx
7,1 = 50xx
7,7 = 56xx
8,0 = 64xx
9,0 = 81xx
9,9 = 90xx
X,0 = 100xx
and so on. I hope that this makes sense in English.  




 

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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust

Also I'm curious how the scoring works. It seems as I progress to higher level, lower teir matches become worth less, until they fail to advance the score at all. Also the fact I and others have a tendancy to score the same final score multiple times, lends me to believe the point values scored for matching tiles aren't at all random.


I copied these tables I made (from the development thread) for bonuses to score about 3rd best and 4th best tile. I'm not sure they are exactely the same values in the final version of the game, but the concept should still be this one.

2nd best tile on the left column, 3rd best tile bonuses to the score:

     0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  X 2X 3X 4X 5X
 0  00
 1  00 50
 2  00 30 70
 3  00 20 50 80
 4  00 20 40 60 80
 5  00 10 30 50 70 90
 6  00 10 20 30 50 70 90
 7  00 10 20 30 40 50 70 90
 8  00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 90
 9  00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90
 X  00 00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90
2X  00 00 00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90
3X  00 00 00 00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90
4X  00 00 00 00 00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90
5X  00 00 00 00 00 00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90
and so on...
2nd best tile on the left column, 4th best tile bonuses to the score:

     0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  X 2X 3X 4X 5X
 0  00
 1  00 05
 2  00 03 07
 3  00 02 05 08
 4  00 02 04 06 08
 5  00 01 03 05 07 09
 6  00 01 02 03 05 07 09
 7  00 01 02 03 04 05 07 09
 8  00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 09
 9  00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
 X  00 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
2X  00 00 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
3X  00 00 00 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
4X  00 00 00 00 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
5X  00 00 00 00 00 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
and so on...
So, Score = 100 * (best^2 + 2nd best) + 3rd bonus + 4th bonus

e.g: X,9,8,7 = 10000 + 900 + 80 + 7 = 10987

Now, back to practice!      

Edit: formatting.


Edited: 07/24/2016 at 07:52 PM by user

Jul 24, 2016 at 8:06:53 PM
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Originally posted by: user

@Star
100 * ( BestTile^2 + SecondBestTile) + 10 * (0 to 9 depending on 3rd best tile) + 0 to 9 depending on 4th best tile.

For instance: X 9 8 7 = 10000 + 900 + 80 + 7 = 10987

The last two digits values are stored in a lookup table: like if 4th tile is a 2 and best tile is a 4, the last digit will be (IIRC) 5, while if the 4th tile is a 2 and best tile is an X, then it will be 2. However, high part of the score is always:
100 * ( BestTile^2 + SecondBestTile); so

1,0 = 1xx
2,0 = 4xx
2,1 = 5xx
7,0 = 49xx
7,1 = 50xx
7,7 = 56xx
8,0 = 64xx
9,0 = 81xx
9,9 = 90xx
X,0 = 100xx
and so on. I hope that this makes sense in English.  
 
Okay I think I got it. The score is dependant on the four highest ranking tiles at any given moment and does not increment as the result of combining tiles. Got some questions about the lower ranks though.

http://nintendoagemedia.com/_user...
9,7,6,5, score = 8875
(9^2+7)*100 = 8800
+6*10+5 = 8865 ???

http://nintendoagemedia.com/users...
X(10),6,4,2, score = 10652
(10^2+6)*100 = 10600
+4*10+2 = 10642 ???

http://nintendoagemedia.com/users...
X3(12),X2(11),7,6, score = 15554
(12^2+11)*100 = 15500
+7*10+6 = 15576 ???

http://nintendoagemedia.com/_user...
3,3,2,2, score = 1255
(3^2+3)*100 = 1200
+2*10+2 = 1222 ???

The little ends aren't adding up correctly?
 

EDIT. Nevermind. You posted the tables while I was composing. Makes sense now!  

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Edited: 07/24/2016 at 08:16 PM by Kosmic StarDust

Jul 24, 2016 at 8:31:25 PM
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Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust

EDIT. Nevermind. You posted the tables while I was composing. Makes sense now!  
By the way, thinking about it, technically, these tables are game development material, hence likely under SGP copyright (hoestly, I really can't tell if a table of data can be under copyright, but I guess yes). Beau is too much a nice guy to complain about it, but I probably should not publish them without asking permission first. My apologies to Beau about it, the goal was to explain a concept to Star, and I did it without thinking too much.

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Originally posted by: user

Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust

EDIT. Nevermind. You posted the tables while I was composing. Makes sense now!  
By the way, thinking about it, technically, these tables are game development material, hence likely under SGP copyright (hoestly, I really can't tell if a table of data can be under copyright, but I guess yes). Beau is too much a nice guy to complain about it, but I probably should not publish them without asking permission first. My apologies to Beau about it, the goal was to explain a concept to Star, and I did it without thinking too much.
Don't sweat it. I can't keep my mouth shut either. It's why I don't beta test stuff!  

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Jul 25, 2016 at 2:01:42 AM
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8897. I was so close to achieving X I could taste it! (FYI, It tastes like purple.)



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Jul 25, 2016 at 7:59:23 AM
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Getting close! I'll update the scores in the OP as soon as I can get on a normal computer. Keep at it!

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Jul 25, 2016 at 8:34:45 AM
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I played 4 times last night and ended at 9 all four times. Soooooooo frustrating. I had a nice little system going, but got screwed with a badly generated 0 on all 4 games that I couldn't recover from. It was my fault because I left the wrong spaces open, then when the 0 generated, I couldn't get any other tiles over to it to eliminate it, so it just sat in the middle of my line of high numbers and screwed me completely.

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