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The decline of video game stores? Recent closings in my hometown.

Aug 6, 2018 at 11:51:05 AM
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Originally posted by: dra600n
 
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It is VERY rare that I can walk into a Gamers and find something I'd like to buy. Part of this is because my collection is already so massive, but the other part of this is their selection. They used to have cases filled with retro games, and now sometimes you can walk into a location and they have literally less than 30 NES games, less than 15 original Game Boy games, etc. However, they still get trade ins all the time. So what's the deal? Well, check out "GoGamers" on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/go.gamers/m.html?_nkw&_armrs=1&...

 
The reason that they sell on ebay is because they dont have to pay taxes on those sales.

 



Of course they do. Whether or not they actually do is another story, but you absolutely have to pay taxes on online sales.

I know that they are "supposed to" but I know that they dont because as of now they can get away with it.
 

Aug 6, 2018 at 11:51:38 AM
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Originally posted by: Silverspoon

Originally posted by: beardcore84

Originally posted by: dra600n

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It is VERY rare that I can walk into a Gamers and find something I'd like to buy. Part of this is because my collection is already so massive, but the other part of this is their selection. They used to have cases filled with retro games, and now sometimes you can walk into a location and they have literally less than 30 NES games, less than 15 original Game Boy games, etc. However, they still get trade ins all the time. So what's the deal? Well, check out "GoGamers" on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/go.gamers/m.html?_nkw&_armrs=1&_ipg...

 
The reason that they sell on ebay is because they dont have to pay taxes on those sales.

 



Of course they do. Whether or not they actually do is another story, but you absolutely have to pay taxes on online sales.

That's not the only reason. There are a declining number of people coming into their stores. Something for a collector, lets say a copy of Worms Aramageddon, might sit in their shop for a while until the right person walks in. Meanwhile, if you put it on eBay for the right price it can sell within 24 hours. So there are other advantages to it as well.

I'd be curious to know if they actually pay those taxes or not. I also find it kind of moot because if the game is $10 plus tax in the store they charge the tax and pay it, but if it's 10 online with no tax, they don't pay it, so either way its the samr $10 in their pocket. Well, depending. It's interesting to consider.
 

Not paying taxes was the goal of moving their sales online.  I worked at their corporate office when Ryno came up with the plan.  He cant tell you the difference between SMB DH and Panic Restaurant as far as collecting and value go.




That might be his reason, but that's awfully stupid of him saying that. Tax evasion is tax evasion.

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Aug 6, 2018 at 11:51:55 AM
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Originally posted by: Silverspoon

Originally posted by: beardcore84

Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: Silverspoon

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It is VERY rare that I can walk into a Gamers and find something I'd like to buy. Part of this is because my collection is already so massive, but the other part of this is their selection. They used to have cases filled with retro games, and now sometimes you can walk into a location and they have literally less than 30 NES games, less than 15 original Game Boy games, etc. However, they still get trade ins all the time. So what's the deal? Well, check out "GoGamers" on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/go.gamers/m.html?_nkw&_armrs=1&...

 
The reason that they sell on ebay is because they dont have to pay taxes on those sales.

 



Of course they do. Whether or not they actually do is another story, but you absolutely have to pay taxes on online sales.

That's not the only reason. There are a declining number of people coming into their stores. Something for a collector, lets say a copy of Worms Aramageddon, might sit in their shop for a while until the right person walks in. Meanwhile, if you put it on eBay for the right price it can sell within 24 hours. So there are other advantages to it as well.

I'd be curious to know if they actually pay those taxes or not. I also find it kind of moot because if the game is $10 plus tax in the store they charge the tax and pay it, but if it's 10 online with no tax, they don't pay it, so either way its the samr $10 in their pocket. Well, depending. It's interesting to consider.
 

Not paying taxes was the goal of moving their sales online.  I worked at their corporate office when Ryno came up with the plan.  He cant tell you the difference between SMB DH and Panic Restaurant as far as collecting and value go.
 

Haha, oh nice, I missed that you were also from Nebraska. We probably know a lot of the same people. 

Yep, good ole Ryno... mismanaging Gamers into the ground. haha.


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Aug 6, 2018 at 12:06:08 PM
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Every game store in my area is long gone. Some do pop open once in a while and they hardly ever last a year. The only consistency is flea market resellers.

I see some very interesting points being made in the thread however : how many brick-and-mortar stores have a proper online front? I'll tell you: not many. I'm often shopping around for uncommon stuff so I have to really broaden my searches and I can't even begin to count how many businesses I find online that are both active via a website and social media, but that just don't have an online store. What's even the point?

I'm no business owner, but you can bet your multicolor gaming asses I'd have an eBay store listed on my website and facebook/IG/twitter accounts. It makes no sense not to. Especially when I see "collector stores"'s websites. Like, yeah, get all your people together to play Magic and what not, they might buy figurines and packs while they're around, but you need to be selling as much as possible even when not many people come in on regular days. No?


Edited: 08/06/2018 at 12:07 PM by WhyNotZoidberg

Aug 6, 2018 at 12:25:39 PM
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My local brick and mortar has been surviving off of the local junkies stolen trade in for a few years now.

I'm not even kidding. It could be an anomaly but this guys customer service is pretty course. I've witnessed some pretty shady sales. I feel like the place takes advantage of strict no return policies to sell items that are barely holding on for dear life, repaired by someone who thought they knew what they were doing, or just straight up selling stuff that doesn't work and had never been tested. I know I've boight at least 5-10 nes games that we're obviously never even looked at. Just priced and put on the shelf for sale.

Anyway back to my crack head theory. The area is crawling with meth heads. And almost every time I go in there I see it. Im not trying to judge btw ive struggled with addiction. The store is always getting those lots and I know he pays out next to nothing. I friend of mine use to work there.

Just this week suikoden 2 in there. jewel case is wrecked but the papers and disc are clean. That's just one example. Wacky races. Contra force.... he gets good stuff. I say "I know you made a come up on this" and he just grins ear to ear.

The store is a MESS! Shit everywhere. Consoles,games,movies, accessories... everything. The quality of product is shit too! Like clean up that jewel case for the suikoden. Nope. Dirty carts. Scratched discs. Manuals missing pages.

It has amazed me for about 3 years now the place is still there.

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Aug 6, 2018 at 1:03:39 PM
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My general area within 15 minutes from me only has 3 retro gaming stores and 1 of them I know is barely making it. It's just like what Mr. Wunderful said high rent. Other factors like you mentioned dealing with online. I hear people who come into these stores all the time "oh I can get it online for cheaper." I also believe that the demand in games especially retro games has declined. People locally aren't really looking for retro anymore and if they are they are looking to pay a very cheap price. This has also translated to online as well as the market place like Ebay has declined. Stuff is been selling for less than what it has a year ago and it's just going to get worse. In fact retro stuff that was selling back a year ago may not be even selling now. People mentioned not paying taxes for online sales. That will change in the near further. It's going to be required that people online pay sale tax no matter where you live not just in state transactions.

Aug 6, 2018 at 1:14:41 PM
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Originally posted by: jonebone

Originally posted by: Lonsta
 
Originally posted by: Silverspoon
 
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Better off just going with an online presence only and run it out of your house, no rent to pay.

Bingo!  I figured that out early on so I left the brick and mortar scene early enough to succeed online.
 


But how do you get stock then? I can't even buy large lots on eBay anymore of desirable stuff (NES, SN, N64) because they literally go for as much as I'd sell each game for individually.
Exactly.  Selling games is the easy part.  The hard part is finding inventory at reasonable prices so you can sell and earn the profits.  Making a sustainable living wage by being an online only reseller without a storefront is very hard today.  Unless you are a "big box" store like DKOldies, JJGames or LukieGames that have built their supply chains and get a lot sold to them direct through their websites.  For the Joe Schmoe starting out he can't compete with that. 





Just have to offer decent trade in credit, trade with locals etc.

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Aug 6, 2018 at 2:02:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Bonanza125

My general area within 15 minutes from me only has 3 retro gaming stores and 1 of them I know is barely making it.
Yeah, I only ever frequent Game Dude with any regularity. Is that Game Portal in Burbank any good?

 

Aug 6, 2018 at 2:14:15 PM
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Originally posted by: ALTQQ
 
Originally posted by: jonebone
 
Originally posted by: Lonsta
 
Originally posted by: Silverspoon
 
Originally posted by: ALTQQ

Better off just going with an online presence only and run it out of your house, no rent to pay.

Bingo!  I figured that out early on so I left the brick and mortar scene early enough to succeed online.
 


But how do you get stock then? I can't even buy large lots on eBay anymore of desirable stuff (NES, SN, N64) because they literally go for as much as I'd sell each game for individually.
Exactly.  Selling games is the easy part.  The hard part is finding inventory at reasonable prices so you can sell and earn the profits.  Making a sustainable living wage by being an online only reseller without a storefront is very hard today.  Unless you are a "big box" store like DKOldies, JJGames or LukieGames that have built their supply chains and get a lot sold to them direct through their websites.  For the Joe Schmoe starting out he can't compete with that. 



Just have to offer decent trade in credit, trade with locals etc.


I wish it was that easy...

Aug 6, 2018 at 2:14:36 PM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa
 
Originally posted by: Bonanza125

My general area within 15 minutes from me only has 3 retro gaming stores and 1 of them I know is barely making it.
Yeah, I only ever frequent Game Dude with any regularity. Is that Game Portal in Burbank any good?

 

Depends on what you are looking for. It has a small selection of NES, SNES, Genesis stuff but has a decent amount of Gamecube & PS2 stuff. They don't sell any newer stuff. There is also Game Realm in Burbank as well.
 

Aug 6, 2018 at 2:20:27 PM
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We had a store open near by where I live. I can't say for how long it will be open considering its always empty when I drive by. Last store that I remember closing near me was a play n trade. They never had a lot of good stuff, nobody ever traded in cool stuff. I bought a lot of games for a good price there. And I was there for the liquidation because they had some good stuff left including a display case for cheap.

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Here in Vegas I noticed that the stores now lack new inventory and are much slower then before.

I just got back into collecting and I decided to hit up the old stores I would frequent. I believe people have other avenues when it comes to selling their games. With apps like Mercari, offer up and letgo and gamestores giving either crap store credit or very little cash people selling would rather go those other avenues. This also makes collectors or resellers not go to game stores.

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Aug 6, 2018 at 4:58:57 PM
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Originally posted by: sadikyo

I think they are talking about the seller paying *income* taxes on profit for the business. dra600n was just pointing out that the income is taxable income and reportable, whether it is sold online, in a store, or out of a garage. Now, compliance is probably pretty low with online sales, as a lot of people skirt the rules unless they get a 1099, but it's all taxable income .

Exactly. Also, states are cracking down on this and are starting to enforce online taxes on more larger outlets. Most states have already started doing this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/cu...

If you're not hitting the PayPal (or whatever processors) limit for getting a 1099, then you're probably fine. Otherwise, you'll most likely just get hit with a penalty fee and a fine from your state for not reporting and paying your sales tax on time.

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Aug 6, 2018 at 7:04:16 PM
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I think local video game stores are declining too. My local game stores' stock doesn't move and they don't get much new stuff in. In addition, one of the owners has indicated nobody buys handheld games anymore because they have tablets. It's gotten to the point where I'm considering cashing out whatever game store credit I have while I still can. You never know when your local store will move or go out of business, as has happened to others here recently.

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Aug 6, 2018 at 9:49:26 PM
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Game x change keeps opening up stores everywhere. I dont know how. They suck balls and changed all their prices to sky high back during the price boom. Have yet to adjust down. Cant find good deals on practically anything. Its just pointless to go

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Aug 7, 2018 at 9:31:57 AM
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Originally posted by: SavePointVG

My store has survived almost 6 years now. We had 3 other stores in the area that have all closed down. We still see a lot of good trade ins and sales, while they aren't how they we're a few years ago they are still enough to provide me and several of my employees a livable wage. Our surviving competition has several stores within 10-15 mins of each other and still seems to thrive but their trade in model is different than ours and we probably pay higher rent having a great location across from the University. Stores like mine are destination locations so having multiple in one area didn't ever make sense to me. I'd be competing with myself , dividing my customers not adding to it and increasing overhead. I have 2 more years on our lease and I know we will survive it but I'm growing tired of retail in general and might persue new goals. We will see where the market is in 2020. A lot more people are in the hobby now and people aren't trading in whole collections as often. That definitely hurts stores like mine and our competitors. It's also very easy to trade your games on FB market places, here on NA and plenty of other places and get more value for your games than trading it to a store. We offer a convenience for people looking to dump large piece of their collections with little to no hassle and it keeps us going.

Here's a recent write up on my shop about who I am, what we are, where we are going   https://clture.org/save-point-video-games/

Another thing that has to help is your store is by far the cleanest and most professional looking one around. Hope you all can keep it going
 

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Originally posted by: SavePointVG

My store has survived almost 6 years now. We had 3 other stores in the area that have all closed down. We still see a lot of good trade ins and sales, while they aren't how they we're a few years ago they are still enough to provide me and several of my employees a livable wage. Our surviving competition has several stores within 10-15 mins of each other and still seems to thrive but their trade in model is different than ours and we probably pay higher rent having a great location across from the University. Stores like mine are destination locations so having multiple in one area didn't ever make sense to me. I'd be competing with myself , dividing my customers not adding to it and increasing overhead. I have 2 more years on our lease and I know we will survive it but I'm growing tired of retail in general and might persue new goals. We will see where the market is in 2020. A lot more people are in the hobby now and people aren't trading in whole collections as often. That definitely hurts stores like mine and our competitors. It's also very easy to trade your games on FB market places, here on NA and plenty of other places and get more value for your games than trading it to a store. We offer a convenience for people looking to dump large piece of their collections with little to no hassle and it keeps us going.

Here's a recent write up on my shop about who I am, what we are, where we are going   https://clture.org/save-point-video-games/


Great article. Sent you a PM about possibly buying out part of my disc based collection. 

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Aug 7, 2018 at 1:16:17 PM
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There's a joint in Phoenix/metro called Fallout Games that just opened a new location, really close to me. So that's some good growth, considering there's maybe 7 places I could drive to on my lunch break if I ate in the car. That includes places that also do books/music/movies. All East Valley locations, I don't even know what's open in Phoenix proper.

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Originally posted by: Brock Landers

Our entire (massive) state has 5 stores. You guys have been spoiled.


Our entire (massive, 5x the size of Nebraska) province has about that same number :/ 

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Originally posted by: Splain

There's a joint in Phoenix/metro called Fallout Games that just opened a new location, really close to me. So that's some good growth, considering there's maybe 7 places I could drive to on my lunch break if I ate in the car. That includes places that also do books/music/movies. All East Valley locations, I don't even know what's open in Phoenix proper.





Somehow I never noticed you were in Phoenix. Im flying down for a concert in November, might need some game haunt recommendations

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There's a joint in Phoenix/metro called Fallout Games that just opened a new location, really close to me. So that's some good growth, considering there's maybe 7 places I could drive to on my lunch break if I ate in the car. That includes places that also do books/music/movies. All East Valley locations, I don't even know what's open in Phoenix proper.



Somehow I never noticed you were in Phoenix. Im flying down for a concert in November, might need some game haunt recommendations

Is the concert at ASU? The closer you are to Tempe, the better your haul will be.
 

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I'll see what I can find

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Comerica

Ah I saw an ad for the show you're going to:


 

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One just opened up 4 days ago here.

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