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NintendoAge 2013 Weekly Contest Presents: Bad Dudes Contest ends Sunday, 6/30/13 at 10 PM NA time

Jun 29, 2013 at 12:25:28 AM
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Originally posted by: rdrunner


I'll pass along a hint that I learned last fall (where have you gone, Miss Clawful?): For extra points against the third boss (the green, splitting ninja), use charged punches


 

Charged Punches???    Wow.  Totally forgot about that move asuming I ever knew it.


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Jun 29, 2013 at 12:58:07 AM
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Originally posted by: rdrunner


I'll pass along a hint that I learned last fall (where have you gone, Miss Clawful?): For extra points against the third boss (the green, splitting ninja), use charged punches.  They will immediately trigger his split move, rather than requiring the usual three hits.  This will produce more ninjas than you would normally have to fight.  Each of these enemies is worth 1,000 points, so it adds up!
 

Cool stuff Tom, but that's borderline racking points IMO

Yeah, we all miss Megan in these contests


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Jun 29, 2013 at 3:17:40 AM
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Originally posted by: guillavoie

Originally posted by: rdrunner


I'll pass along a hint that I learned last fall (where have you gone, Miss Clawful?): For extra points against the third boss (the green, splitting ninja), use charged punches.  They will immediately trigger his split move, rather than requiring the usual three hits.  This will produce more ninjas than you would normally have to fight.  Each of these enemies is worth 1,000 points, so it adds up!
 

Cool stuff Tom, but that's borderline racking points IMO

Yeah, we all miss Megan in these contests
 

Yeah,that's a gray area point rack-wise. I probably will avoid this as I don't want any future scores possibly invalidated.You da man Tom! I'll probably give this one more go tonight and call it good either way.



Edited: 06/29/2013 at 03:20 AM by gutsman004

Jun 29, 2013 at 6:55:26 AM
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Originally posted by: guillavoie

Originally posted by: rdrunner


I'll pass along a hint that I learned last fall (where have you gone, Miss Clawful?): For extra points against the third boss (the green, splitting ninja), use charged punches.  They will immediately trigger his split move, rather than requiring the usual three hits.  This will produce more ninjas than you would normally have to fight.  Each of these enemies is worth 1,000 points, so it adds up!
 

Cool stuff Tom, but that's borderline racking points IMO
 

Yeah, I'd say that intentionally creating more ninjas to get a higher score would qualify as point racking. Unfortunately we're probably back in "Terra Cresta scoring loop" territory now that it's been posted.


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Jun 29, 2013 at 10:26:13 AM
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Originally posted by: guillavoie

Originally posted by: rdrunner


I'll pass along a hint that I learned last fall (where have you gone, Miss Clawful?): For extra points against the third boss (the green, splitting ninja), use charged punches.  They will immediately trigger his split move, rather than requiring the usual three hits.  This will produce more ninjas than you would normally have to fight.  Each of these enemies is worth 1,000 points, so it adds up!
 

Cool stuff Tom, but that's borderline racking points IMO
 
Wow, this is unexpected.  Megan used this technique in past contests, so I assumed it was legit.

I can defend this technique.  Two things make this move different from what I would consider to be illegal point racking for this contest:

1. The amount of splits you get against this boss depends entirely on what move you use.  Obviously, the charged punch gets you the most.  However, you also get extra splits by fighting him without a weapon.  For example, in the Stage 7 rematch, you get two splits if you use a weapon, but you get three if you use punches, kicks, or jump kicks.  You're forced to get the extra split if you're unarmed at this point.

2. Point racking is about doing something over and over for a long time (ex: Standing still and running out the clock).  This is not it.  Even with the charged punches, you're only able to get a few extra splits out of the boss.  Worst case, during the fight in Stage 3, you get three extra splits (worth 12,000 points total, minus a few thousand points for getting a smaller timer bonus from taking longer). 

Point racking in general is an extremely vague term.  During my referee days, I had to spend a lot of time wrestling with the concept.  It was a rather painful experience.  In the end, I concluded that the more you a game makes you have to think about these things, the less fun it becomes, and the less you should be concerned with setting a high score on it. 

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Edited: 06/29/2013 at 10:40 AM by rdrunner

Jun 29, 2013 at 11:16:07 AM
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Update: Just in case, I have posted an additional score that does not use the charged punch against the third boss. 702,300.

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Jun 29, 2013 at 11:57:47 AM
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Sounds more like legal and legit pressing than racking to me also, since it isn't indefinite

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Jun 29, 2013 at 12:02:27 PM
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A quick question : What is considered point racking for bad dudes?

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Jun 29, 2013 at 12:55:53 PM
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Originally posted by: rdrunner

Originally posted by: guillavoie

Originally posted by: rdrunner


I'll pass along a hint that I learned last fall (where have you gone, Miss Clawful?): For extra points against the third boss (the green, splitting ninja), use charged punches.  They will immediately trigger his split move, rather than requiring the usual three hits.  This will produce more ninjas than you would normally have to fight.  Each of these enemies is worth 1,000 points, so it adds up!
 

Cool stuff Tom, but that's borderline racking points IMO
 
Wow, this is unexpected.  Megan used this technique in past contests, so I assumed it was legit.

I can defend this technique.  Two things make this move different from what I would consider to be illegal point racking for this contest:

1. The amount of splits you get against this boss depends entirely on what move you use.  Obviously, the charged punch gets you the most.  However, you also get extra splits by fighting him without a weapon.  For example, in the Stage 7 rematch, you get two splits if you use a weapon, but you get three if you use punches, kicks, or jump kicks.  You're forced to get the extra split if you're unarmed at this point.

2. Point racking is about doing something over and over for a long time (ex: Standing still and running out the clock).  This is not it.  Even with the charged punches, you're only able to get a few extra splits out of the boss.  Worst case, during the fight in Stage 3, you get three extra splits (worth 12,000 points total, minus a few thousand points for getting a smaller timer bonus from taking longer). 

Point racking in general is an extremely vague term.  During my referee days, I had to spend a lot of time wrestling with the concept.  It was a rather painful experience.  In the end, I concluded that the more you a game makes you have to think about these things, the less fun it becomes, and the less you should be concerned with setting a high score on it. 

To be 100% honest, I was just joking around cause I personally have a hard time to judge what I feel is racking points or not when I'm playing. I never intended to discredit your technique for real, but I think this issue is putting in perspective the fact that the rules are a bit ambiguous for this week.


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Jun 29, 2013 at 1:24:51 PM
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Originally posted by: rdrunner

Wow, this is unexpected.  Megan used this technique in past contests, so I assumed it was legit.

There wasn't a no point-racking rule in place when she participated. From your explanation, though, I don't see much of a problem with it.

Originally posted by: rdrunner

Also, make sure you kill all of the fire ninjas.  Those are also worth 1,000 each, but they won't spawn unless you scroll the screen at the right moments.

What I was wondering about is this comment. Is there a finite number of fire ninjas, or is it possible to make them respawn indefinitely by scrolling the screen? 




Jun 29, 2013 at 3:22:33 PM
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Fire ninjas are limited. They spawn in specific places, but they only appear when there are a certain number of enemies on the screen (the lower the better).

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Jun 29, 2013 at 4:44:54 PM
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Jun 29, 2013 at 11:39:12 PM
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Originally posted by: rdrunner

Originally posted by: guillavoie

Originally posted by: rdrunner


I'll pass along a hint that I learned last fall (where have you gone, Miss Clawful?): For extra points against the third boss (the green, splitting ninja), use charged punches.  They will immediately trigger his split move, rather than requiring the usual three hits.  This will produce more ninjas than you would normally have to fight.  Each of these enemies is worth 1,000 points, so it adds up!
 

Cool stuff Tom, but that's borderline racking points IMO
 
Wow, this is unexpected.  Megan used this technique in past contests, so I assumed it was legit.

I can defend this technique.  Two things make this move different from what I would consider to be illegal point racking for this contest:

1. The amount of splits you get against this boss depends entirely on what move you use.  Obviously, the charged punch gets you the most.  However, you also get extra splits by fighting him without a weapon.  For example, in the Stage 7 rematch, you get two splits if you use a weapon, but you get three if you use punches, kicks, or jump kicks.  You're forced to get the extra split if you're unarmed at this point.

2. Point racking is about doing something over and over for a long time (ex: Standing still and running out the clock).  This is not it.  Even with the charged punches, you're only able to get a few extra splits out of the boss.  Worst case, during the fight in Stage 3, you get three extra splits (worth 12,000 points total, minus a few thousand points for getting a smaller timer bonus from taking longer). 

Point racking in general is an extremely vague term.  During my referee days, I had to spend a lot of time wrestling with the concept.  It was a rather painful experience.  In the end, I concluded that the more you a game makes you have to think about these things, the less fun it becomes, and the less you should be concerned with setting a high score on it. 

It's a cool technique, but for the purpose of this contest and the rules I've put forth, it would be considered point racking.  This technique was valid the last time we played Bad Dudes because point racking was allowed.  I wanted to change things up a bit this time and prohibit any sort of point racking/pressing so everyone could play the game naturally.  Yeah, my wording was a bit ambiguous and vague.  What I was looking for, and I probably should have worded it this way, was no intentional point racking.  I feel using the charged punch technique is a form of point racking since you can get more splits out of the boss.  I'll accept the second score where the charge technique was not used, but not the first score.  When I change up the rules a bit for games, I always learn something new about them, and with Bad Dudes, I learned a no point racking rule is probably not the best way to go.  Hope there's no hard feelings on this ruling?

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Edited: 06/29/2013 at 11:40 PM by bimmy_lee

Jun 29, 2013 at 11:57:01 PM
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No chance I have hard feelings against you bro

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Jun 30, 2013 at 12:03:23 AM
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Jun 30, 2013 at 1:14:23 AM
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For Tom,either score has him in first place,so it's a win/win. Hoping I can get one more score in before the deadline.

Jun 30, 2013 at 1:33:50 PM
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Jun 30, 2013 at 1:51:51 PM
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Jun 30, 2013 at 1:54:22 PM
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Originally posted by: guillavoie

No chance I have hard feelings against you bro


I love you guillavoie 

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Jun 30, 2013 at 2:37:30 PM
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No worries, Bimmy. Your contest, your call.

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Jun 30, 2013 at 3:33:30 PM
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119,400. Probably end up being a participation point this week. didn't have alot of time to play but actually, it isn't as bad I thought it was when I played it as a kid (Once you get the pattern down for the hit detection). I love the knuchucks.

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Jun 30, 2013 at 6:24:08 PM
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Originally posted by: bimmy_lee

Originally posted by: guillavoie

No chance I have hard feelings against you bro


I love you guillavoie 

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Jun 30, 2013 at 6:25:26 PM
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