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Your thoughts on Pat the Nes Punk's "Will Anyone Care about NES Collections in 100 Years?" Your reaction?

May 20, 2016 at 2:14:38 PM
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Eh, maybe Pat's been getting better at topics. If he and Ian went back to talking more wrasslin', I'm sure there would be fewer threads.

May 20, 2016 at 2:14:41 PM
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I think there are a lot of cool things like trading cards, comics, old film posters and 16 mm films, bizarre collectable toys, that are really sought after collectable, and worth owning from 100 years ago. Also you can't compare really compare the eras to begin with.

May 20, 2016 at 2:16:46 PM
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Originally posted by: pixelsmash
I think there are a lot of cool things like trading cards, comics, old film posters and 16 mm films, bizarre collectable toys, that are really sought after collectable, and worth owning from 100 years ago. Also you can't compare really compare the eras to begin with.
I don't think that was ever in question, but it's also a lot fewer people collecting them than when most of those things were more "in."

Except maybe comics, but those are still printed today.

 

May 20, 2016 at 2:18:09 PM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa
 
Originally posted by: pixelsmash
I think there are a lot of cool things like trading cards, comics, old film posters and 16 mm films, bizarre collectable toys, that are really sought after collectable, and worth owning from 100 years ago. Also you can't compare really compare the eras to begin with.
I don't think that was ever in question, but it's also a lot fewer people collecting them than when most of those things were more "in."

Except maybe comics, but those are still printed today.

 

Even with comics, I suspect there are probably quite a few series from our parents' and grandparents' generations that are of no interest to current collectors.

(with series of comics maybe standing in as an analog for specific generations of video game devices)
 

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May 20, 2016 at 2:53:30 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
 
Originally posted by: Tulpa
 
Originally posted by: pixelsmash
I think there are a lot of cool things like trading cards, comics, old film posters and 16 mm films, bizarre collectable toys, that are really sought after collectable, and worth owning from 100 years ago. Also you can't compare really compare the eras to begin with.
I don't think that was ever in question, but it's also a lot fewer people collecting them than when most of those things were more "in."

Except maybe comics, but those are still printed today.

 

Even with comics, I suspect there are probably quite a few series from our parents' and grandparents' generations that are of no interest to current collectors.

(with series of comics maybe standing in as an analog for specific generations of video game devices)
 
Yeah, but you really can't compare eras when it comes down it.

May 20, 2016 at 2:58:01 PM
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Do we really need a thread for every single one of Pat's braindead opinions?

May 20, 2016 at 3:02:04 PM
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Everyone here is assuming we;ll have the option of plugging the NES into the wall and turning it on. Electricity is relatively new to us as a society and I imagine in 100 years we will be on a different version of it which will not be compatible with legacy electronics. So you have a plug coming out of the NES, where do you plug it in? Nowhere, houses won't have outlets any more.

May 20, 2016 at 3:03:55 PM
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Originally posted by: pegboy

Do we really need a thread for every single one of Pat's braindead opinions?


No, I won't make anymore for any Youtubers/Youtube videos. I just mentioned this earlier. It just so happens I decided to make this one.

May 20, 2016 at 3:09:13 PM
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Didn't watch the video, but I could see it going a few ways. Very hard to predict. Lots of things could happen in between. My guess will be....... Yes. A very very small amount of people will care and still have collections.

May 20, 2016 at 3:14:19 PM
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Lots of interesting conversation, then, since Pat was referenced, the inveitable:

Get off my lawn!

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May 20, 2016 at 3:18:15 PM
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Originally posted by: pixelsmash

Originally posted by: pegboy

Do we really need a thread for every single one of Pat's braindead opinions?


No, I won't make anymore for any Youtubers/Youtube videos. I just mentioned this earlier. It just so happens I decided to make this one.





If you didn't mention Pat, then this thread likely wouldn't have been a braindead opinion. People just have a hard time accepting topics Pat came up with, regardless of validity.

As for the actually meat and potatoes of the topic, I feel only a few. Collecting, in of itself, is a niche hobby. The scope of one's collection is always varied. The majority of Americans, and the world in general, don't collect as a hobby. You might encounter pack rats and hoarders, but those that consider themselves collectors in their fields are certainly not around every corner.

The one thing you need to realize, is that NES is a product of the time. We collect because of attachment. Most that collect ancient artifacts or silent film reels, do so because it feels a scope of learning and education, most of us that collect games do so for nostalgia and entertainment.

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May 20, 2016 at 4:14:49 PM
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Originally posted by: gamer78

Everyone here is assuming we;ll have the option of plugging the NES into the wall and turning it on. Electricity is relatively new to us as a society and I imagine in 100 years we will be on a different version of it which will not be compatible with legacy electronics. So you have a plug coming out of the NES, where do you plug it in? Nowhere, houses won't have outlets any more.

Yeah, but that won't happen overnight, so one would assume that adapters of some sort would be readily available.
 

May 20, 2016 at 4:20:15 PM
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Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78

Everyone here is assuming we;ll have the option of plugging the NES into the wall and turning it on. Electricity is relatively new to us as a society and I imagine in 100 years we will be on a different version of it which will not be compatible with legacy electronics. So you have a plug coming out of the NES, where do you plug it in? Nowhere, houses won't have outlets any more.

Yeah, but that won't happen overnight, so one would assume that adapters of some sort would be readily available.
 


NTSC tuners = obsolete
analogue cellular devices = obsolete
any music medium prior to CD = obsolete

It only takes about 10 years to go from introduction to obsoletion so as long as the switch happens in the next 90 years, there won't be any adapters available.

May 20, 2016 at 4:21:33 PM
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Originally posted by: Teknoskan






If you didn't mention Pat, then this thread likely wouldn't have been a braindead opinion. People just have a hard time accepting topics Pat came up with, regardless of validity.

As for the actually meat and potatoes of the topic, I feel only a few. Collecting, in of itself, is a niche hobby. The scope of one's collection is always varied. The majority of Americans, and the world in general, don't collect as a hobby. You might encounter pack rats and hoarders, but those that consider themselves collectors in their fields are certainly not around every corner.

The one thing you need to realize, is that NES is a product of the time. We collect because of attachment. Most that collect ancient artifacts or silent film reels, do so because it feels a scope of learning and education, most of us that collect games do so for nostalgia and entertainment.









so you don't think there's any educational/historical value to collecting games? I agree there won't be nearly as many people interested but I feel like people will collect them more so because they're curious of how video games started and evolved. Video games is still a very young medium and it's inevitable that they'll be completely different from how they are now in a hundred years but there will be people who are curious as to how it started and roms alone won't give you the whole experience

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May 20, 2016 at 4:30:56 PM
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Originally posted by: gamer78
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78

Everyone here is assuming we;ll have the option of plugging the NES into the wall and turning it on. Electricity is relatively new to us as a society and I imagine in 100 years we will be on a different version of it which will not be compatible with legacy electronics. So you have a plug coming out of the NES, where do you plug it in? Nowhere, houses won't have outlets any more.

Yeah, but that won't happen overnight, so one would assume that adapters of some sort would be readily available.
 


NTSC tuners = obsolete
analogue cellular devices = obsolete
any music medium prior to CD = obsolete

It only takes about 10 years to go from introduction to obsoletion so as long as the switch happens in the next 90 years, there won't be any adapters available.

They indeed make adapters for the first and third items on your list.   Cellular is a different ball of wax.

But there are so many things that are plugged into the wall that I would have a hard time believing over a ten year span that there wouldn't be some type of adapter available.

 

May 20, 2016 at 4:33:23 PM
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This reminds me of several times in the Peanuts comic strip when a character would remark, "500 years from now who'll know the difference?"

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May 20, 2016 at 4:41:45 PM
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Originally posted by: BertBerryCrunch
so you don't think there's any educational/historical value to collecting games? I agree there won't be nearly as many people interested but I feel like people will collect them more so because they're curious of how video games started and evolved. Video games is still a very young medium and it's inevitable that they'll be completely different from how they are now in a hundred years but there will be people who are curious as to how it started and roms alone won't give you the whole experience
Same argument can be made for wax cylinders.

You have a small number of collectors who have a collection of them, and can bust them out for five minutes to show them off.





But the music itself can be had without the need for all that. It's available through a browser.





Which do you think people will be doing more of 100 years from now? Seeking out a Victrola and the cylinders and some dude who knows how they work, or just firing up the game in their super computer?

 


Edited: 05/20/2016 at 04:43 PM by Tulpa

May 20, 2016 at 4:46:49 PM
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Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78

Everyone here is assuming we;ll have the option of plugging the NES into the wall and turning it on. Electricity is relatively new to us as a society and I imagine in 100 years we will be on a different version of it which will not be compatible with legacy electronics. So you have a plug coming out of the NES, where do you plug it in? Nowhere, houses won't have outlets any more.

Yeah, but that won't happen overnight, so one would assume that adapters of some sort would be readily available.
 


NTSC tuners = obsolete
analogue cellular devices = obsolete
any music medium prior to CD = obsolete

It only takes about 10 years to go from introduction to obsoletion so as long as the switch happens in the next 90 years, there won't be any adapters available.

They indeed make adapters for the first and third items on your list.   Cellular is a different ball of wax.

But there are so many things that are plugged into the wall that I would have a hard time believing over a ten year span that there wouldn't be some type of adapter available.

 

Agreed.

There are only so many practical alternatives to how houses are wired up, from a standpoint of physics. (at least on the scope of 100 years time)

"worst case scenario" for current devices, we either switch everything to DC power (due to some kind of distributed power production and big home batteries like PowerWall) or even further we go to some kind of wireless power transmission (unlikely, IMO, given the limitations of what that entails).

In either case, having a simple DC-to-AC inverter (a tried-and-true thing that has existed pretty much as long as cars have had cigarette lighters built in) is a straightforward solution that isn't going to cease to exist in the next 100 years.

They might get more expensive, due to low volume of production, as old devices die off for good.  But they'll exist.
 

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May 20, 2016 at 4:50:57 PM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa

Originally posted by: BertBerryCrunch
so you don't think there's any educational/historical value to collecting games? I agree there won't be nearly as many people interested but I feel like people will collect them more so because they're curious of how video games started and evolved. Video games is still a very young medium and it's inevitable that they'll be completely different from how they are now in a hundred years but there will be people who are curious as to how it started and roms alone won't give you the whole experience
Same argument can be made for wax cylinders.

You have a small number of collectors who have a collection of them, and can bust them out for five minutes to show them off.


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But the music itself can be had without the need for all that. It's available through a browser.


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Which do you think people will be doing more of 100 years from now? Seeking out a Victrola and the cylinders and some dude who knows how they work, or just firing up the game in their super computer?

 



oh yeah, I agree. I'm just saying there's more to it then nostalgia and there will be a very niche market interested in physical copies of games.

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May 20, 2016 at 4:51:57 PM
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Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: gamer78

Everyone here is assuming we;ll have the option of plugging the NES into the wall and turning it on. Electricity is relatively new to us as a society and I imagine in 100 years we will be on a different version of it which will not be compatible with legacy electronics. So you have a plug coming out of the NES, where do you plug it in? Nowhere, houses won't have outlets any more.

Yeah, but that won't happen overnight, so one would assume that adapters of some sort would be readily available.
 


NTSC tuners = obsolete
analogue cellular devices = obsolete
any music medium prior to CD = obsolete

It only takes about 10 years to go from introduction to obsoletion so as long as the switch happens in the next 90 years, there won't be any adapters available.

They indeed make adapters for the first and third items on your list.   Cellular is a different ball of wax.

But there are so many things that are plugged into the wall that I would have a hard time believing over a ten year span that there wouldn't be some type of adapter available.

 


Not everything from every activity remains collectible, but there are always aspects of them that remain collectible.  People collect some aspect of everything he mentioned.
Not every video game is going to be sought after, but based on current popularity, NES has a good chance at being a survivor.  The best comparison to video games is mechanical games.  These are over 100 years old and are collectibles.
 

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May 20, 2016 at 5:00:13 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Agreed.

There are only so many practical alternatives to how houses are wired up, from a standpoint of physics. (at least on the scope of 100 years time)

"worst case scenario" for current devices, we either switch everything to DC power (due to some kind of distributed power production and big home batteries like PowerWall) or even further we go to some kind of wireless power transmission (unlikely, IMO, given the limitations of what that entails).

In either case, having a simple DC-to-AC inverter (a tried-and-true thing that has existed pretty much as long as cars have had cigarette lighters built in) is a straightforward solution that isn't going to cease to exist in the next 100 years.

They might get more expensive, due to low volume of production, as old devices die off for good.  But they'll exist.

Haven't any of you guys seen the historical documents?  The adventures of Geordi LaForge & Data show that any old tech can be patched up, hooked up and made completely operable again in the future!  And if you aren't well connected enough to get original hardcopies of your own (darn you Kivas Fajo!), you can always replicate new copies or experience perfect holographic reproductions at the press of a button!

Seriously, though, many (most?) of the systems that we're currently talking about actually run, internally, on DC power.  We either plug an AC-to-DC converter into the wall (ala Famicom & Genesis adapters) or the systems themselves have one onboard (NES & possibly SNES), doing that job after receiving power from the brick.  As long as some sort of equivalent power system is still in place (or someone has manufactured an adapter for those with old tech they won't let go of), I think folks should be in good shape as long as the hardware is still operable.

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May 20, 2016 at 5:00:37 PM
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I didn't even bother reading all the comments. No one really thinks about what shit will be in 100 years. Why not ask talk about something more relevant like 5, 10, or 20 years?

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Originally posted by: darkchylde28
 
 
Seriously, though, many (most?) of the systems that we're currently talking about actually run, internall, on DC power.  We either plug an AC-to-DC converter into the wall (ala Famicom & Genesis adapters) or the systems themselves have one onboard (NES & possibly SNES), doing that job after receiving power from the brick.  As long as some sort of equivalent power system is still in place (or someone has manufactured an adapter for those with old tech they won't let go of), I think folks should be in good shape as long as the hardware is still operable.
Oh, no doubt that for DC power systems (i.e. anything with a "wall wart") it will be straightforward for a competent person to find the means to generate an explicit DC voltage at the amperage they require.

That ability will almost certainly only get even easier than it already is today.


 

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May 20, 2016 at 5:05:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Wolfman

I didn't even bother reading all the comments. No one really thinks about what shit will be in 100 years. Why not ask talk about something more relevant like 5, 10, or 20 years?

...because it's fun to speculate?  As people have for years and years?





 

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Originally posted by: darkchylde28
 
Originally posted by: Wolfman

I didn't even bother reading all the comments. No one really thinks about what shit will be in 100 years. Why not ask talk about something more relevant like 5, 10, or 20 years?

...because it's fun to speculate?  As people have for years and years?

 
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Agreed it is fun to speculate, however the fun part is seeing what the actual result is. We won't be around in 100 years. 
 

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