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FA: Excellent NES Stuff... 35 CIB Games, 2 Sealed Accessories, and Rad Racer w/(yellow) Mail-in 3D Glasses Auction Ends March 16th 2010 @ 11:00PM (NintendoAge time) High Bids - various

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Mar 14, 2010 at 11:25:40 PM
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Okay here are my bids:

$20 Baseball (black box)
$60 CluClu Land (black box)
$50 Donkey Kong Jr (black box)
$40 Gumshoe (black box)
$35 Gyromite (black box)
$25 Hogan's Alley (black box)
$45 Ice Climber (black box)
$55.00 Kid Icarus (silver box)
$40.00 Metroid (silver box)
$20.00 Mach Rider
$45.00 Slalom (black box)
$20 Super Mario Bros. (black box)
$30 Urban Champion (black box)
$50 Wrecking Crew (black box)

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Mar 14, 2010 at 11:29:05 PM
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I want to finish my BB collection!

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Mar 15, 2010 at 1:56:44 AM
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$20 on zelda 2

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Mar 15, 2010 at 12:21:19 PM
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No offense Brion, but you seem to be making this (way) more complicated than it need be.

Mar 15, 2010 at 1:13:00 PM
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The little side conversation really didn't have anything to do with the basics of the Auction.

I was requested to add PM Bidding and originally said yes, which I was then told no you cant, which then I found out I could if I wanted. But in the end chose not to to ease bidding at the end of the auction.

However that lead to the basic question of "Is there a way that Anonymous bidding could be performed in the forum?"  Which lead to a couple of suggestions.. which I was then told No, that won't work to the Second account thing and to check the FAQ. Didn't find anything directly related to that option so I wanted clarification (for all), Then I found out that that was true (but not well documented).. so for anonymous Auctions w/o PM bidding it can really only be done through a Friend.

I was just trying to get answers for things so all the bidders and members looking into this forum knew what options they had for bidding. 

It's not really all that complicated as that is the complete explanation and results in a few sentences - It was more complicated with the first Auction that I was guilty of not setting up enough rules and there were no actual forum rules in place either so everyone had their own ideas of things which lead to a basic Auction section and a revision of everything regarding the auction.

Brion

Mar 15, 2010 at 2:10:36 PM
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I'll  Bid $18.00  on 1942


Mar 15, 2010 at 3:33:12 PM
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I have one big question. If I am going to bid on several items and they all end at once, How will I be able to bid at the last second for all of them? I mean they all end at the same time so several bids will flow in at once. When bidding at the last second it will be hard to look for all of the items last bid and post all of my bids. So what should I do?

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Mar 15, 2010 at 3:34:34 PM
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Originally posted by: PrimitiveGaming

I have one big question. If I am going to bid on several items and they all end at once, How will I be able to bid at the last second for all of them? I mean they all end at the same time so several bids will flow in at once. When bidding at the last second it will be hard to look for all of the items last bid and post all of my bids. So what should I do?


Bid higher, earlier.

Mar 15, 2010 at 3:51:24 PM
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^Yep. This is one reason many here do not do a multiple item auction like this. There is no way to know if you're outbid in the last seconds, and so your only recourse is to bid high enough earlier that nobody will want to outbid you, or you can place another bid over your own on items you think you may lose on, though potentially only outbidding yourself and paying more than you'd have to.

Brion: My guess behind the fact that there is little clear definition behind the rules of Auctions is that this is not meant to be an ebay-substitute. Frankly, there's no need for it to be one, either, simply because sites like www.gamegavel.com... do that very well. This is meant to be sort of a fun alternative to the strict auctions of other sites when you don't want to go through the hassle of listing there and paying fees, and want a userbase bidding on your stuff who you know. If/when the NA Marketplace comes into being (that still the running name for it?), this section will close down. You're new here, so you wouldn't know this, but it's really just mean to be a temporary solution until that time. It's not meant to be perfect.

Mar 15, 2010 at 5:31:58 PM
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Nope didn't know about that, I guess that would take away all of the Auction and Buy Sell threads wouldn't it.. I understand.. I sort of thought (since I didn't know something else was being worked on) that this was what this section was to be and of course with that it would make sense to make everything as clear as possible for everyone...

No for the other thing...

primativegaming came up with a valid point that I hadn't thought about.. So how does a 30sec time extension on each bid placed close to the end of the auction this will allow it to extend over the time limit a little but would also allow for a little time to re-bid (keeps sniping from occuring). Granted I am going to have to do some calculation on bid times that exceed the time limit to figure out the final bid but it does give everyone a shot at getting what they want.

I will more than likely be on to be able to say SOLD on those items so that if someone doesn't see that they bid past the 30sec increment  bidding doesn't continue forever, but I doubt that would happen.

This one before listing I am going to give a few hours for comment so that I don't go through the same sort of NO Way you cant do that thing again... I think it is a decent idea though.

Brion


Edited: 03/15/2010 at 05:40 PM by Brion Sohn

Mar 15, 2010 at 5:52:22 PM
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Originally posted by: Brion Sohn

Nope didn't know about that, I guess that would take away all of the Auction and Buy Sell threads wouldn't it.. I understand.. I sort of thought (since I didn't know something else was being worked on) that this was what this section was to be and of course with that it would make sense to make everything as clear as possible for everyone...

No for the other thing...

primativegaming came up with a valid point that I hadn't thought about.. So how does a 30sec time extension on each bid placed close to the end of the auction this will allow it to extend over the time limit a little but would also allow for a little time to re-bid (keeps sniping from occuring). Granted I am going to have to do some calculation on bid times that exceed the time limit to figure out the final bid but it does give everyone a shot at getting what they want.

I will more than likely be on to be able to say SOLD on those items so that if someone doesn't see that they bid past the 30sec increment  bidding doesn't continue forever, but I doubt that would happen.

This one before listing I am going to give a few hours for comment so that I don't go through the same sort of NO Way you cant do that thing again... I think it is a decent idea though.

Brion
This isn't going to work. All you would effectively be doing is pushing the close time of your auction back 30 seconds, so then people would just try to snipe in that window and the same frustration would take place. 

The only way to really fix this problem and to allow people to truly bid their maximum bid for your stuff is to emulate eBay and tell the bidders that you will sell each item for $1 over the highest bid of the 2nd place bidder. That way people can bid higher and hope to maybe get a bit of a deal here and there. It works well for you because people can freely bid their maximum whenever they please without worrying about it and thus it will encourage more bids and higher bids. It works for the buyers because they have a chance to get a bit of a deal and not pay their absolute maximum price for every item they win. Some food for thought.




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Mar 15, 2010 at 5:54:12 PM
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In my opinion just stagger the end times. If you are allowed to, just put next to all of the items an end time thats 5 min in between like:

Game 1 9:00
Game 2 9:05
Game 3 9:10

That way we have time to bid on each without it being confusing and we can know who won legitly!

Just a thought though!

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Mar 15, 2010 at 5:55:37 PM
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Forget that. Lets just put in our final bids at the last second. Hope that the amount that you want to pay is the amount that you can get the item for and call it good. If you didn't have a ton of items to bid on that might be a decent idea.. with this much stuff I think the less confusion the better.

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Mar 15, 2010 at 6:13:45 PM
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end time is set on all of the auctions.

People are getting frustrated with something new every time, so please, stop.

NO MORE MAKING UP RULES AS YOU GO ALONG! Especially since these items all end tomorrow.

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Mar 15, 2010 at 6:23:14 PM
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The way I was thinking is that the 30 second bump in endtime would only effect those items that got a last bid within 30seconds of the end time all others would end at the specified time

Therefore say only donky Kong Jr. got a bid at 10:59:45 the end of that item would then be pushed to 11:00:15 if it got another bid at say 11:00:00 on the dot then it would push to 11:00:30 but that would only be effective for that game as all the others ended at 11:00:00. You would not be able to bid on say Metroid at 11:00:05 just because Donkey Kong Jr now is open till 11:00:30. Metroid already closed at 11:00.. Sniping cannot occur with this because the end is when a bid is not placed for 30 seconds after the last one. Basically Auction Overtime to work out the disputes. he who wants it most gets it.

So graphically it would be something like this: (this example taken from the current bid list) with random biding which in no way is to represent actual bids


0 - ($50.00 - minimum) Duck Hunt (black box) * (Not Sold @ 11:00:00)

4 - ($50.00 - PrimativeGaming) Donkey Kong Jr (black box)

     $55.00 @ 10:59:45 - bump 11:00:15

     $58.00 @ 11:00:05 - bump 11:00:35

     $65.00 @ 11:00:30 - bump 11:01:00 (winner SOLD!)

     $70.00 @ 11:01:05 - to late

0 - ($25.00 - minimum) Dragon Warrior (Not Sold @ 11:00:00)

1 - ($10.00 - Hogieman) Faxanadu (SOLD @ 11:00:00)

     $12.00 @ 11:00:02 - to late


I don't want to emulate eBay here because Proxy bidding is insane to keep track of as all bids would have to be PMS and then I would have to keep track of who placed a higher bid ect.. and you as a bidder would have to trust me in that I was doing it right. Too much involved with that.

The Time bump would keep everything out in the open as any one on the forum could then track the bidding and the time and see who the last bidder was. I have seen time bump on other auctions on the site and it seemed to work OK.

I don't really like the staggered end times but that is an option as well.. I'm guessing by what I learned through all of the back and forth that these little details are up to me but I do like the feedback.

Brion

Mar 15, 2010 at 6:25:21 PM
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OK well, I was writing all of that while other posts occurred before. So far consensus is leave it alone.. 


Edited: 03/15/2010 at 06:29 PM by Brion Sohn

Mar 15, 2010 at 6:28:56 PM
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gotcha,
end time stands at 11:00 PM NA time tomorrow. No time extensions as it wasn't initially brought up when you posted.

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Mar 15, 2010 at 6:30:18 PM
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Brion, I think it is time you stop changing your auction rules. They all end at the same time, and no time bumps.

Mar 15, 2010 at 6:31:47 PM
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No problem... You heard it guys... Since it wasn't there originally you will have to take your best shot at it.. I can agree with that...

Next time if there are multiple parts of an auction i'll have to remember these things...


Brion


Edited: 03/15/2010 at 06:33 PM by Brion Sohn

Mar 15, 2010 at 6:35:49 PM
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Originally posted by: burdger

Brion, I think it is time you stop changing your auction rules. They all end at the same time, and no time bumps.


Funny thing is nothing has changed.. it is all the same except for the grandfathering which really made no difference at all ... 

Basically just been more of a discussion..

OH and I figured out shipping rates for certain things...



Edited: 03/15/2010 at 06:36 PM by Brion Sohn

Mar 15, 2010 at 9:06:04 PM
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Originally posted by: Brion Sohn

I don't want to emulate eBay here because Proxy bidding is insane to keep track of as all bids would have to be PMS and then I would have to keep track of who placed a higher bid ect.. and you as a bidder would have to trust me in that I was doing it right. Too much involved with that.



This is not true. All bids would still be made publicly. And the game would sell to the winner for $1 over the top bid from the second highest bidder.

But obviously now that the mods have chimed in, you should just keep the auction as is.



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Mar 15, 2010 at 10:09:52 PM
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Originally posted by: Contra__Man

Originally posted by: Brion Sohn

I don't want to emulate eBay here because Proxy bidding is insane to keep track of as all bids would have to be PMS and then I would have to keep track of who placed a higher bid ect.. and you as a bidder would have to trust me in that I was doing it right. Too much involved with that.



This is not true. All bids would still be made publicly. And the game would sell to the winner for $1 over the top bid from the second highest bidder.

But obviously now that the mods have chimed in, you should just keep the auction as is.

Ummm. That is how it is currently as a bidder can bid $1.00, or more, than the last bidder and they will be on top and Win.. Allowing over a $1.00 incremental bid just cuts down on the total number of posts because it can be a jump from $40-$45  (1 additional Post) or it could be a jump as $40, $41, $42, $43, $44, $45 (5 additional posts) either way it is the same. Just takes longer at the $1 bids. I guess if you are really trying to get it at the lowest amount possible the $1.00 back and fourth would be the way to do it.

Brion

Mar 15, 2010 at 11:03:01 PM
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Originally posted by: nesguy

you can place another bid over your own on items you think you may lose on, though potentially only outbidding yourself and paying more than you'd have to.

I just want to make comment on this as I know what nesguy is saying.. 

Protective bids will be considered NEW bids at the bid amount. You will not be allowed to revert to your prior bid, even if no one else bids between your bids (outbidding yourself). This is due to the fact that a protective bid can be used as a means to keep other bidders away. If you are going to do this then you will be required to honor the protective bid.

This is basically exactly what nesguy said but it is official from me.

Brion



Mar 16, 2010 at 12:13:07 PM
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You are missing my point and not understanding what I'm saying. My point is that if you were to allow winning bidders to only pay just over the amount of the 2nd highest bid (like eBay), then you would encourage higher maximum bids from the buyers who really want a particular item. 

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Mar 16, 2010 at 1:19:18 PM
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Jesus squeeze us! Please just bid. No more talking!

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