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Tipping in the food service industry

Sep 23 at 2:25:44 PM

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The idea of tipping an amusement park operator is quite funny. On a normal busy day, people get in a ride by the dozens at a time, get placed all together in five minutes, the operator press a few buttons and everyone go for a 2 minutes ride and get out promptly after. Should they leave all a buck to the operator as a customs and these guys would make like $200+ per hour just to be there.

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Sep 23 at 2:29:04 PM

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Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: guitarzombie

Originally posted by: DoctorEncore

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I tip because I feel I have to. I think its stupid and should be done away with completely with all areas. You have to tip your barber, but not this guy, but you tip your door man but not this person? Its RIDICULOUS.

I would prefer if the cost was just baked into the service or product I am purchasing, but the tip factor does encourage better service. Conversely, how about the employer create a monetary reward system to encourage better service? Oh wait, this is America and that would cost more for the business. Let's just pass the cost of paying your employees a living wage directly to the customers!

Good service should be your incentive to KEEP working, else you get fired. I had this discussion with a bandmate and he said the same thing and I said 'Good! You'd still end up paying the same and in some restaurants they include it anyway'.

To be fair, good service should be the incentive for the customer to keep going back, not the employee. A good work environment + fair wages = incentive to keep coming back (though, there are several "incentives" to return, such as fear of getting fired and not being able to pay your bills).

Also, raising to minimum wage wouldn't increase a $13 to $18. Such exaggeration. At least pre-tax.

Let's do a breakdown between Connecticut and Oregon.
CT: Min Wage: $10.10/hr, tipped min wage is $6.38
Oregon: $11.25 min wage, tipped staff is tipped at the state minimum wage ($11.25).

Oregon Restaurant: http://www.stonecliffinn.com/images/2019%20%20Summer%20Dinne...
CT Restaurant of similiar menu and rating: https://mohegansun.com/content/dam/mohegansun/PDF/dining/men...

Prices are very similar. Similar customer rating. Why is the cheaper labor state as expensive as the more expensive minimum wage state? I will contend that CT requires sales tax, but not a 10%+ disparity that would justify the increase.

Funny that the state min wage wait staff in Oregon doesn't have prices 30-40% higher than CT's who get paid $6.38/hr + tips.

Seems the 9 states that don't have a separate minimum wage pay are comparable in prices everywhere, so I fail to see that argument that prices would need a 20-40% increase.

Why do you figure that waiting tables is or should be a minimum wage entry level job? It's not. Bussing and hosting are the entry level minimum wage jobs in front of house applications. One doesn't serve or bartend typically unless they build seniority in the company or have good experience on their job application.

Servers and bartenders are not going to work for less than 18 bucks an hour, perhaps more depending on the local. This is where your argument falls flat. If you pay them less than that, you can expect less work output/smaller sections, and them bringing in less revenue. They are salespeople and need to be well compensated to expect them to be effective. I feel you underestimate how much staff it takes to execute a proper dinner service.

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Sep 23 at 2:39:22 PM

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Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: Boosted52405

Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: Boosted52405

Originally posted by: dra600n

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Going out to eat is an experience, or it should be. The experience is to sit on your ass, enjoy time with your company and to be served - resulting in a enjoyable time and a break from the neverending grind of life. We all know waiters depend on tips, so do your part when you can. If you were in their shoes for one reason or another, you would want to be tipped too.

Going to a theme park (Six Flags, Disney, etc) are all an "experience". You paid for your entry ticket that allows you to ride all the rides. Do you tip the operator after each ride? What about at the local carnival? Do you tip them carnies? They needsta eat too, ya know.

The good experience is required to get the customer to come back, it's not up for the customer to ensure that happens (though they don't have to be dicks, either)

While not apples to oranges I get your point. But no, those employees are more properly compensated for their work and they are simply there out of liability and necessity of business operation. They are not vital to having a grand experience, although they can contribute to making it a bad experience. Just like my list of societal norms, we could derive thousands of apples and oranges to nitpick and compare back and forth in this regard.

The point is, servers economically rely on tips and should be compensated for a good job - although it's not required by law. By accepting their service, you should be honorable enough to accept and take part of the societal norm. If not, simply cook for yourself or do carry out if you don't want to be considered rude by the society surrounding you. If being considered rude does not bother ya, then party on brother lol.

They're paid minimum wage. That's not compesated more for their work. Even if a server doesn't make enough tips to cover min wage, the business has to pay the difference.

And of course they're vital to the grand experience! What fun is it to walk around a bunch of rides you can't ride?

The point is, folks are making excuses for servers to make low wages. Nobody should be relying on tips for a living.

Oh dra600n if you think a ride operator at a theme park is comparable to the integration of a server at a full-service restaurant, then we are leagues apart .

I cannot disagree with the bolded statement as a standalone statement, but unfortunately it's reality and part of our society.

You're purposefully ignoring the points - I understand you're very quick to dismiss others viewpoints based on previous interactions with you. I didn't say they were comparable in what their job duties are, but comparable to the "they're responsible for my entertainment" "argument". They're just as important to the entertainment and functionality of said theme/amusement park just as a server is to a restaurant as both are there to ensure patrons are having a good experience. They provide the same significance to the business. One is tipped, the other isn't. That was my point. They're providing a service just like the other. There is no real argument for why it is the way is except for "it's just that way".

Why would you think that a person who controls literally the attractions of an amusement park not an integral function to the business like a server? Do you think an amusement park would thrive if nobody operated them? It seems you feel this way about your previous statement, so I just want to make sure I understand you as you want to be understood, so that we can definitely be "leagues apart" on this

I certainly wasn't trying to ignore any point, I simply think your argument is an orange compared to an apple. I do disagree that they are comparable. A machine operator first of all, is paid at least minimum wage, and tipping is not a societal expectation - at all. Furthermore, from an experience standpoint, they essentially control the line and push buttons - that is it. Once you pass the operator, there is traditionally 0 interaction with them - the experience in your example is 99.9% the rides/attractions. Yes they are necessary and important to business function, but they in no way make or enhance a customer's experience. If you want to lump them under an umbrella of "providing a service" then you could argue that with almost anything.

On the flip side, a server I'd say contributes to at least 30% or more of the experience - maybe closer to 50%. They can legitimately make it a great or a bad experience, all based on their performance.

With your argument, you could question tipping people checking out your groceries, or the guy that delivers your amazon packages, I mean we're debating the societal norm here right?

And to be fair, as you think I'm ignoring your point, I believe you first ignored my theoretical question on page 3 and did not respond as hoped on my list of societal norms like holidays etc. You just shared what you support and don't support, not the why part .

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Sep 23 at 2:40:06 PM

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Originally posted by: kguillemette

Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: guitarzombie

Originally posted by: DoctorEncore

Why do you figure that waiting tables is or should be a minimum wage entry level job? It's not. Bussing and hosting are the entry level minimum wage jobs in front of house applications. One doesn't serve or bartend typically unless they build seniority in the company or have good experience on their job application. Servers and bartenders are not going to work for less than 18 bucks an hour, perhaps more depending on the local. This is where your argument falls flat. If you pay them less than that, you can expect less work output/smaller sections, and them bringing in less revenue. They are salespeople and need to be well compensated to expect them to be effective. I feel you underestimate how much staff it takes to execute a proper dinner service. I can pull an old p&l statement from my files if you want.

The question is why do YOU, as a business owner, find it acceptable to pay them the lowest minimum wage, and make it so they aren't full time employees? I didn't say they are "only minimum wage employees", I'm suggesting the pay start getting fixed by putting them at the very least, the state minimum wage. If you feel they're above minimum wage, that's on the business owner to pay, not force some archaic custom on the customer because you feel they aren't worth the pay yourself.

I feel you shouldn't assume what I do or do not know about restaurant management.

Also, why are you dodging the question on why one restaurant can afford a higher wage and have near identical prices?

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Sep 23 at 2:50:10 PM

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Sep 23 at 3:03:39 PM

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Originally posted by: Boosted52405

I certainly wasn't trying to ignore any point, I simply think your argument is an orange compared to an apple. I do disagree that they are comparable. A machine operator first of all, is paid at least minimum wage, and tipping is not a societal expectation - at all. Furthermore, from an experience standpoint, they essentially control the line and push buttons - that is it. Once you pass the operator, there is traditionally 0 interaction with them - the experience in your example is 99.9% the rides/attractions. Yes they are necessary and important to business function, but they in no way make or enhance a customer's experience. If you want to lump them under an umbrella of "providing a service" then you could argue that with almost anything.

On the flip side, a server I'd say contributes to at least 30% or more of the experience - maybe closer to 50%. They can legitimately make it a great or a bad experience, all based on their performance.

With your argument, you could question tipping people checking out your groceries, or the guy that delivers your amazon packages, I mean we're debating the societal norm here right?

And to be fair, as you think I'm ignoring your point, I believe you first ignored my theoretical question on page 3 and did not respond as hoped on my list of societal norms like holidays etc. You just shared what you support and don't support, not the why part .

Just because you don't interact with ride operators does not mean they add 0% to your entertainment. That's the majority of the entertainment. And what about the street performers that work there (i.e., character workers) that absolutey DO interact with patrons? If you have a ride operator that's fucking off, you can definitely have a bad experience, or a character performer having a bad day can easily make a vistor have a bad experience. Are you honestly telling me you would go to an amusement park if the rides were closed down and it was just some shops and misc games opened instead?

And yes, that was the point. You don't tip the characters or ride operators, who provide the entertainment because it's not the social norm. Just because tipping is the "societal norm" doesn't mean it's right.

Originally posted by: Boosted52405

And to be fair, as you think I'm ignoring your point, I believe you first ignored my theoretical question on page 3 and did not respond as hoped on my list of societal norms like holidays etc. You just shared what you support and don't support, not the why part .

It's just how I feel. No deep meaning behind it. It's just what I found works best for me and the folks close to me. Some things you could infer deeper if you wanted, it's not like I hid any emotions behind it. No need to senselessly derail the thread away from tipping.

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Sep 23 at 3:12:56 PM

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It's an unrecognized concept in the east. I worked for a japanese company years ago and when I'd go on business trips, my manager (Japanese) would pay with the company card when we'd go out. Not once did he ever leave a tip. Even on some pretty hefty bills. A few times me and some of the other guys (American) felt bad and left some cash for the server out of our own pocket. It wasn't him trying to be cheap. It's simply not a custom that they partake in.

I honestly wish the US would abolish the archaic system of tipping. Restructure the dining industry to pay servers a fair wage. The finer the establishment, the higher the wage, (and thus the better the service that is to be expected). Those that are skilled and take pride in their work will find jobs at good restaurants, those that provide lesser service will find jobs at cheaper chains. Patrons will no longer be subject to the social pressure of a defunct system, and employees will know what they'll earn on a given night without relying on the generosity of the patrons.

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Sep 23 at 3:15:49 PM

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Originally posted by: dra600n

Just because tipping is the "societal norm" doesn't mean it's right.

Oh, well worded that way, I agree

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I'm wondering if there is a bit of misunderstanding in the debates here, between whether someone believes in the tipping system and whether it is good/bad, or whether they know the way the 'system' is now, and still CHOOSE not to tip.

I imagine a lot of people think we should do away with the concept and change the wage structure, which is completely fine. And I imagine that the HUGE majority of those people still tip now, even begrudgingly. I'd imagine it is a very very slim majority of people who actually choose not to tip at all, because they disagree that much with the system. Those are the people who I think are a bit selfish given the way everything works now. But if the poll here tells us anything, that's a very very small percentage of people.

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Originally posted by: Br81zad

It's an unrecognized concept in the east. I worked for a japanese company years ago and when I'd go on business trips, my manager (Japanese) would pay with the company card when we'd go out. Not once did he ever leave a tip. Even on some pretty hefty bills. A few times me and some of the other guys (American) felt bad and left some cash for the server out of our own pocket. It wasn't him trying to be cheap. It's simply not a custom that they partake in.

Ummm. Japanese actually consider tipping insulting and rude, as high level of service very much given thing in Japanese culture so the idea of taking "extra money" for it is offensive.. so you might not want to do that in the future, even if it feels bad to your American sensibility..

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Originally posted by: Aatos

Ummm. Japanese actually consider tipping insulting and rude, as high level of service very much given thing in Japanese culture.. so you might not want to do that in the future, even if it feels bad to your American sensibility..

Maybe I should clarify, the company I worked for was Japanese owned and based in the US. All upper management was Japanese.

Considering that all of these trips were in America, I can guarantee you that the servers were not offended that we left them a modest portion of what they'd normally get for good service.

Edit: One girl at a bistro in Detroit was visibly upset and came to me to ask if she had done something wrong because she wasn't tipped on a $250 tab. Really awkward situation.

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Originally posted by: Br81zad

Originally posted by: Aatos

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood "in the east" to mean you were in Japan. Then it's really the opposite, the Japanese upper management should've done their homework on the US tipping culture.

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Let my soda run out..........bring my food to me cold..........Donn't check on me very much......Make we wait for my check and then take it and take forever...etc............

Does all of this actually happen though? What kind of garbage dumps do you go to? What area is this in?

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Well, to be fair, i appear to be dodging it because quite frankly, I dont have time to look it over right now. I have a family and just a very busy life. I am unable to devote more than a couple minutes at a time this this discussion.

I assumed you don't know much about restaurant management because you equated McDonald's to a full service restaurant. That was unfair and I apologize.

I also feel that I value servers very highly. If I were the GM of a restaurant, I would put them in a position to make as much money as possible. I certainly would not cap them off at a simple wage. If i were forced to, that number would be certainly be far higher than minimum wage, as you have implied they are worth.

I feel we are to far apart in viewpoints to reach any understanding of each other, so I shall plead no contest to you.

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Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: Boosted52405

1. Celebrate Holidays - any and all of them
2. Have Birthday Parties/Gifts for our Kids
2. Buy Xmas Presents for our loved ones
3. Buy gifts for people celebrating life events
4. Help a neighbor
5. Open the door for a stranger
6. (probably 10,000 examples we could derive here)

I mean, this list literally has nothing to do with tipping, but it is a fun thought experiment. Also, you have #2 listed twice.

1. I celebrate Thanksgiving and Christmas, and not for their "intended" meanings. For me, it's just spending time with the family. As a young adult, I hated Christmas (see answer to #2, the 2nd one)

2.1 I don't see birthdays as a big deal, but I still get folks presents as they like to celebrate their birthday.

2.2 As a young adult, I hated Christmas. Having a somewhat decent sized family to buy gifts for when you don't make much is incredibly stressful. After a certain age, I stopped wanting Christmas gifts as well (late teens), though I never "enforced" it because I do know folks like my gram and mom just wanted to make us all happy.

3. Unless they're close friends, I don't buy coworkers birthday presents or anything like that. I chip in to get a "group gift" for the boss at Christmas time, but only because she gets us all a gift card to Amazon every year, so I just feel like I'm paying for my own gift. My coworker who puts that on says that you don't have to pay, but you all know what that equates to.

4. I don't typically talk to my neighbors (mainly because they're all significantly older and spend most of their time inside), but if they asked for a hand with something, and if it were something I was capable of in a non-financial way, then sure, most likely I would lend a hand.

5. The only time I hold the door for someone is if they're literally right there, or I see their arms or full, or when asked. Peoples arms aren't broken, and I'm not going to stand there, waiting for someone to just slowly mosy on over. If someone holds it for me, 9 out of 10 times I say "thanks" and urge them forward so they're not taking up personal space / standing in the doorway.

Y'all keep citing examples from other industries where we don't historically tip even though they don't make a ton of dough, but it's not apples to apples.

In the U.S. there's minimum wage and "tipped" wage. Anyone who works at Six Flags or Disney makes at least minimum wage. So should traveling carnival workers. Now, I'm sure the latter all don't, but it's not up to the consumer to make sure companies are holding to the law. That's a different beast entirely. I'm not going to tip my landscaper on the basis that he might not be getting paid according to the law. Now, if minimum wage itself isn't enough to live on, again, that's something else. A completely different argument.

With servers, however, they don't earn minimum wage. And it's legal because they earn a "tipped" wage. They earn, in some cases, way less because they hold a position where tips historically make up a large portion of their earnings. The minimum "tipped" wage is $2-something per hour. Not nearly enough to live on. Naturally, some restaurants pay more. But the average places we're all eating at on a regular basis are very likely paying closer to that $2-something figure. This, of course, all depends on where you live. It does vary by state. I'm in Maryland where they get $3-something per hour.

And to those who assume servers are raking it in, I'd think again. Realistically, at most "casual" places, individual servers are pulling down just $2k to $3k per month.

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Originally posted by: behemos

Y'all keep citing examples from other industries where we don't historically tip even though they don't make a ton of dough, but it's not apples to apples. In the U.S. there's minimum wage and "tipped" wage. Anyone who works at Six Flags or Disney makes at least minimum wage. So should traveling carnival workers. Now, I'm sure the latter all don't, but it's not up to the consumer to make sure companies are holding to the law. That's a different beast entirely. I'm not going to tip my landscaper on the basis that he might not be getting paid according to the law. Now, if minimum wage itself isn't enough to live on, again, that's something else. A completely different argument. With servers, however, they don't earn minimum wage. And it's legal because they earn a "tipped" wage. They earn, in some cases, way less because they hold a position where tips historically make up a large portion of their earnings. The minimum "tipped" wage is $2-something per hour. Not nearly enough to live on. Naturally, some restaurants pay more. But the average places we're all eating at on a regular basis are very likely paying closer to that $2-something figure. This, of course, all depends on where you live. It does vary by state. I'm in Maryland where they get $3-something per hour. And to those who assume servers are raking it in, I'd think again. Realistically, at most "casual" places, individual servers are pulling down just $2k to $3k per month.

Yes, but there's 9 states that don't have a tipped minimum wage, which is where my argument is coming from, Oregon being 1 of them. It hasn't affected the price or quality of their food, either, as they align with the prices of states that do have a tipped minimum wage. Getting rid of the tipped minimum wage would be, IMO, the right step forward in eliminating tips and getting servers a fair wage.

I understand that it's not apples to apples for what they do (carnies vs servers), but literally anyone can do both jobs with zero education and minimal training.

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Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: behemos

Y'all keep citing examples from other industries where we don't historically tip even though they don't make a ton of dough, but it's not apples to apples. In the U.S. there's minimum wage and "tipped" wage. Anyone who works at Six Flags or Disney makes at least minimum wage. So should traveling carnival workers. Now, I'm sure the latter all don't, but it's not up to the consumer to make sure companies are holding to the law. That's a different beast entirely. I'm not going to tip my landscaper on the basis that he might not be getting paid according to the law. Now, if minimum wage itself isn't enough to live on, again, that's something else. A completely different argument. With servers, however, they don't earn minimum wage. And it's legal because they earn a "tipped" wage. They earn, in some cases, way less because they hold a position where tips historically make up a large portion of their earnings. The minimum "tipped" wage is $2-something per hour. Not nearly enough to live on. Naturally, some restaurants pay more. But the average places we're all eating at on a regular basis are very likely paying closer to that $2-something figure. This, of course, all depends on where you live. It does vary by state. I'm in Maryland where they get $3-something per hour. And to those who assume servers are raking it in, I'd think again. Realistically, at most "casual" places, individual servers are pulling down just $2k to $3k per month.

Oh, I 100% agree the right thing to do is to nix tipped minimum wages. Then, it truly would be an instance where you might tip only if you get amazing service. Just like how I'll tip furniture moving guys or my barber. It would make things more equal across the board, no doubt.

And yes, anyone can be a server. Don't need to know squat. But, at least here in MD, I feel it's fair to tip them for serving me based on the fact that they do make a tipped minimum wage. Were that to change, I wouldn't feel the need to tip outside of excellent service.

Either way, I feel that not tipping as a blanket practice isn't necessarily the best way to go about things.

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Tipping is a bullshit holdover from the reconstruction-era when service jobs which had previously been done by slaves now had to employ free men. This was just a way to get away with not having to pay them, (they worked exclusively for tips depending on the generosity and magnanimity of their rich white patrons.

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Originally posted by: gunpei

Does all of this actually happen though? What kind of garbage dumps do you go to? What area is this in?

I have had poor service many times at many places. Though its not that often.

I really like places that take my leftover food from the table on the plate and pack it up for me and bring it back.

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Seriously though how are this many people relating tipping to slavery?

Some of you guys must have had some bad service.

Eaten out hundreds of times and could only think of two bad "service" instances, and they were both because they were short handed.

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It's easy for me.

Tipping is not automatic. If poor service is given, a lower tip, if any will be left. If it was that terrible, I would ask to speak to a manager.

Average service, average tip (everyone has their own %). I would not ask to speak to the manger as it was just average service.

Good service is rewarded by tipping appropriately. If service is phenomenal, I would ask to speak to a manager.

To those who never leave a tip? Good for you for sticking to your reasons. Anyone who claims to automatically tip on every check? Good for you for sticking to your reasons. The two extremes will probably never change their ways, so why bother argue.

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If you don't tip you're just cheap.

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I hate doing take out orders
Every time they have that - no tip/tip% menu when paying and I think to myself if I was on their side I'd pack up my food and leave ( which is a great idea for some fast food / dine in place , do it yourself order ).

The food is already cooked / in a container and you basically bag it
I don't like to tip for that but feel pressured to do so
At most I leave a buck or two

When my wife is around she wants to tip a bunch and i just give her a look >.> (really)
But she does it anyways.

I wonder if the majority of ppl that deal with those quick stuff takeout orders think they deserve a tip

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Sep 25 at 3:23:06 AM

arch_8ngel (68)

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Originally posted by: punkr13

The food is already cooked / in a container and you basically bag it
I don't like to tip for that but feel pressured to do so
At most I leave a buck or two

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I wonder if the majority of ppl that deal with those quick stuff takeout orders think they deserve a tip

Nobody working a counter and ringing up takeout should expect or receive a tip.

They are a cashier. No different than the person working a register at Taco Bell, or the register at a retail establishment.

Just because food is involved, it doesn't automatically mean a tip should be.

Tipping when you dine in, there is some level of on-going attention from a server.

But for takeout, it is a very quick transaction, that legally probably shouldn't even be executed by a person that has a tip-reliant wage structure.
(should be a salaried or non-tipped-hourly doing the work)

There is no social expectation that you tip in that situation, and participating in that kind of tipping is normalizing something that shouldn't be.

Feel guilty that you DO tip for takeout. Not the other way around

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Edited: 09/25/2019 at 03:23 AM by arch_8ngel

Sep 25 at 8:39:13 AM

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I used to work as a server, and I definitely always appreciated 15-20% tips. We got paid 2.50 and hour, and that was taken in taxes, so tips were all your money. Trust me, it is pain in the ass work, and you do not make nearly enough even with good tips.

That being said, I think the idea of tipping is stupid. It shouldn't even exist. As far as I know, it came about during prohibition, when you would leave a "tip" to get some under the table drinks. Ever since then, it just kind of stuck. That's why you won't see it in other countries. It serves no purpose now, and restaurants should have to pay their employees regular hourly rates just like everyone else.

The fact that restaurants have gotten by like this for so long kind of pisses me off... Not only that, but why the F is there even a tip jar sitting out at Chipotle!? Why is there a tip option at Penn Station!? This kind of thing drives me up a wall.