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Mr. Gimmick NTSC?

Feb 9, 2011 at 7:19:02 PM
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Originally posted by: Armageddon Potato

Maybe instead of a community dump we could do a community purchase(assuming it's for sale?) Once we buy the game we could dump it/make repros/whatever to recoup some of the expenses. Once it's dumped/repro'd/etc maybe auction the cart off to benefit NA? For $20 you'd be making the NTSC version possible, and be able to get a repro(maybe a discount on repros for those who donated $20), plus you'd be benefitting NA... and get a cool new icon next to your name!(right???) =)


Well there is a lot of planning that would be involved in something like this. Also, before it goes any further, Dream hasn't stated how much he is selling it for. It might not be feasible.

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Feb 9, 2011 at 7:20:51 PM
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Originally posted by: tanikwish

Originally posted by: Armageddon Potato

Maybe instead of a community dump we could do a community purchase(assuming it's for sale?) Once we buy the game we could dump it/make repros/whatever to recoup some of the expenses. Once it's dumped/repro'd/etc maybe auction the cart off to benefit NA? For $20 you'd be making the NTSC version possible, and be able to get a repro(maybe a discount on repros for those who donated $20), plus you'd be benefitting NA... and get a cool new icon next to your name!(right???) =)


Well there is a lot of planning that would be involved in something like this. Also, before it goes any further, Dream hasn't stated how much he is selling it for. It might not be feasible.


I totally agree.

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Or you can try to figure out why it is glitching and fix it in the code like they did.

Feb 10, 2011 at 12:55:39 AM
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The NTSC version of Mr. Gimmick (US NTSC) requires an expensive donor board for repros (Batman Return of the Joker) so it's very time consuming unless someone makes their own board. There is a reason bunnyboy won't make the thing, it's labor intensive and not cheap.

I mean, you guys are talking about repros, I am just talking about dumping the cart and you guys have at it your own way. I don't really want to sell the cart but I am thinking $500 for a dump would cut it and you guys can figure out if you can make repros and check for any differences other than the one obvious one when you first turn on the game.

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Feb 15, 2011 at 4:11:40 AM
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I own an original PAL Ufouria and it works beautifully on my toploader. I'd be extremely willing to invest in a repro of Mr. Gimmick, if but for the wonderful music in that game alone. I think ROM carts make interesting additions to a collection as long as the production values are reasonable, and I'm okay with losing an uncommon game for something that is otherwise fairly unattainable on American shores. I can find another Felix the Cat or Uninvited eventually. Where am I going to get an NTSC Mr. Gimmick?

Consider my interest in a Mr. Gimmick project noted. I love my Recca '92 Summer Carnival; Mr. Gimmick would be a fantastic add too.

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Feb 15, 2011 at 4:44:14 AM
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I'd be down.

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Feb 15, 2011 at 9:07:25 AM
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Originally posted by: 3GenGames

Or you can try to figure out why it is glitching and fix it in the code like they did.


I like this idea. I am sure are a few people that would love this challenge.

If it can be done, people can use it on the Powerpak or let them get the expensive Batman donor cart and send it to somebody for the conversion. 

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Feb 15, 2011 at 12:00:06 PM
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I'm pretty sure that I could not only reproduce Mr. Gimmick (NTSC), but I could do so without the use of donors. If this one is still around after Yeager gets out there, I would be willing to do a run if there were enough interest.

Feb 15, 2011 at 2:51:06 PM
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Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

I'm pretty sure that I could not only reproduce Mr. Gimmick (NTSC), but I could do so without the use of donors. If this one is still around after Yeager gets out there, I would be willing to do a run if there were enough interest.


are you going to tinker with it to make it run properly on the NTSC machines, or are you just going to reproduce the carts once the roms are complete?

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Feb 15, 2011 at 3:21:09 PM
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Depending on price, I would definitely be down for buyin a repro copy. I never played the game, but watched a few vids on youtube and it looks and sounds pretty amazing!

Feb 15, 2011 at 3:24:07 PM
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I want one!

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Feb 15, 2011 at 3:28:20 PM
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Originally posted by: RASK1904

I want one!


They got to fix the rom first. Then we can get excited about the repro. 

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Feb 15, 2011 at 3:42:30 PM
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I want one!

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Feb 15, 2011 at 4:29:39 PM
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Originally posted by: MasonSushi

Originally posted by: BeaglePuss

I'm pretty sure that I could not only reproduce Mr. Gimmick (NTSC), but I could do so without the use of donors. If this one is still around after Yeager gets out there, I would be willing to do a run if there were enough interest.


are you going to tinker with it to make it run properly on the NTSC machines, or are you just going to reproduce the carts once the roms are complete?


Err, what?  I think you missed something.  Matt was saying that if Dream still had his copy available (NTSC prototype, runs perfectly on US systems) for sale (or the dump for sale) that we could purchase that copy and reproduce it, and without the use of donors.  The ROM doesn't need to be "fixed" as it works perfectly already.

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Feb 15, 2011 at 4:41:10 PM
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oh, i thought he was going to fix the PAL rom like 3GenGames suggested and reproduce that. Speaking of reproducing, why not just reproduce the japanese version? Its already in NTSC format, and I don't think there is any English in the game. That way you don't have to spend your money on the ROM. Just trying to save monies.

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Feb 15, 2011 at 4:50:40 PM
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Originally posted by: MasonSushi

oh, i thought he was going to fix the PAL rom like 3GenGames suggested and reproduce that. Speaking of reproducing, why not just reproduce the japanese version? Its already in NTSC format, and I don't think there is any English in the game. That way you don't have to spend your money on the ROM. Just trying to save monies.

I guess the easiest answer would be preservation?  The more unreleased ROMs that are preserved and distributed, the better

The title screen is certainly different, and there are some game play differences as well (lives and stuff), so it would be cool to play it the way it was intended to be played in the US.


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Feb 15, 2011 at 4:51:17 PM
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After this thread last night I looked around for a jap. version. Couldn't find anything under 99$. Expensive, NTSC unreleased. This is a repro no brainer! Any way you do it. Buy his proto, change the Pal rom, or use the Jap rom. Think the coolest though would be the true NTSC proto rom. Just my .05$

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Feb 15, 2011 at 4:52:58 PM
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Originally posted by: MrMark0673

Originally posted by: MasonSushi

oh, i thought he was going to fix the PAL rom like 3GenGames suggested and reproduce that. Speaking of reproducing, why not just reproduce the japanese version? Its already in NTSC format, and I don't think there is any English in the game. That way you don't have to spend your money on the ROM. Just trying to save monies.

I guess the easiest answer would be preservation?  The more unreleased ROMs that are preserved and distributed, the better

The title screen is certainly different, and there are some game play differences as well (lives and stuff), so it would be cool to play it the way it was intended to be played in the US.


I love that y'all release the roms and make repros. I was just trying to save the money upfront.  Well i support you two getting the game. 


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Yeah, truthfully it'd probably be easier to work for $500 and pay the for ROM from dream then fix the other games code. Plus isn't japan NTSC? Why not use that ROM? Especially if there's no text and the sound chip is supposedly compatible with the sound chip "off the shelf" correct?

Feb 15, 2011 at 8:15:03 PM
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Originally posted by: DreamTR

The NTSC version of Mr. Gimmick (US NTSC) requires an expensive donor board for repros (Batman Return of the Joker) so it's very time consuming unless someone makes their own board. There is a reason bunnyboy won't make the thing, it's labor intensive and not cheap.

I mean, you guys are talking about repros, I am just talking about dumping the cart and you guys have at it your own way. I don't really want to sell the cart but I am thinking $500 for a dump would cut it and you guys can figure out if you can make repros and check for any differences other than the one obvious one when you first turn on the game.


Wouldn't doing this still require the  use of a sound chip like Scucci built, or has the audio been changed for the US NTSC version to compensate for lack of chip.

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Like memblers said, NES boards cost $1.50 each in runs of about 100. 100 boards with the sound chip included on it wouldn't be too much work if someone could produce the boards. I'd be scared about getting the sound chips in quantity.

Feb 15, 2011 at 8:52:03 PM
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Originally posted by: DreamTR

The NTSC version of Mr. Gimmick (US NTSC) requires an expensive donor board for repros (Batman Return of the Joker) so it's very time consuming unless someone makes their own board. There is a reason bunnyboy won't make the thing, it's labor intensive and not cheap.

I mean, you guys are talking about repros, I am just talking about dumping the cart and you guys have at it your own way. I don't really want to sell the cart but I am thinking $500 for a dump would cut it and you guys can figure out if you can make repros and check for any differences other than the one obvious one when you first turn on the game.


For all I know Splatterhouse needed to have a special mapper too and Bunny made that anyway.

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Feb 15, 2011 at 11:17:42 PM
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Originally posted by: 3GenGames

Like memblers said, NES boards cost $1.50 each in runs of about 100. 100 boards with the sound chip included on it wouldn't be too much work if someone could produce the boards. I'd be scared about getting the sound chips in quantity.

finding the sound chips might be difficult



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Feb 15, 2011 at 11:30:37 PM
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Using the JP version means the added sound chip (like Scucci's board) but also a modification to your NES to use the audio. Without that mod you get none of the expansion sound. It only needs very basic soldering but I would bet that is enough to deter most buyers.

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Did they use the extra channels for any sounds/music important, and the extra squares only used to make better music, not different music? If not, the sound chip could be put in every game, only the ones who would care/want to could get the extra sounds, or even two carts: One with and one without the extra sound.