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The fullset killers: "That" Game...

Jul 9, 2018 at 3:22:29 PM
DarkKobold (11)
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Is it just me, or do so many fullsets seem plagued by just one game? Even obscure as all get out consoles have that one obscure game that is nigh impossible to get, and even when you do, it costs a butt-load of money. It always seems to be magnitudes more expensive and more rare than any other cart in the set. Why does it seem like nearly every fullset has one? What ones did I forget? Tell me your thoughts.

A list of the ones I know: 
NES (US) - Stadium Events
Genesis - Outback Joey
SNES - Mountain Bike Rally/Speed Racer/Comp Carts (MACS if counted)
Sega Master System - James Buster Douglas
3DO - Dinopark Tycoon
Amstrad GX4000 - Chase HQ II
Super A'can - Rebel Star
Turbografx 16 - Magical Chase
Saturn - Dayton Netlink Edition
32X (worldwide) - Darxide
Vectrex - Minestorm II (Mr. Boston if you count it)

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Coleco Telstar Arcade - #4 Cartridge
PSP - Hilton Hotel (not actually a game)
Magnavox Odyssey - Percepts
Fairchild Channel F - #19 Checkers (Democarts if included)
NES (Licensed, Worldwide) - Hong Kong Mahjong
PS3 - NBA Elite 11 (may not be retail release)
Magnavox Odyssey 2 - Powerlords
Atari 5200 - Bounty Bob Strikes Back
Intellivison - Spiker
Action Max - Blue Thunder
Game.Com - Wheel of Fortune 2
Emerson Arcadia 2001 - #12 Red Clash (Italian exclusive 3D Attack for worldwide)
Cassette Vision - Grand Champion
32X+CD (worldwide) - Surgical Strike (Brazilian Tectoy Exclusive)
Atari 2600 - Just give up. It's fucking impossible.

I didn't include Jack Bros, Shantae, Sculptor's Cut, Mega Man GG, and etc, because they don't fit the "magnitudes" part.
 


Edited: 07/10/2018 at 04:12 PM by DarkKobold

Jul 9, 2018 at 3:39:15 PM
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Atari 2600 has a few, which makes it even more impossible.

Jul 9, 2018 at 3:39:57 PM
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The Coleco Telstar Arcade's #4 cartridge is also extremely hard to find.

Atari 2600 has a few, like Gamma Attack and Red Sea Crossing.

Jul 9, 2018 at 4:09:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Tulpa

The Coleco Telstar Arcade's #4 cartridge is also extremely hard to find.

Atari 2600 has a few, like Gamma Attack and Red Sea Crossing.
I just straight up consider Atari 2600 as 'impossible' because of the limited number of copies of Red Sea Crossing and Extraterrestrial. I don't think any one person has a complete Atari set, thanks to those dammed games.
 

Jul 9, 2018 at 4:13:34 PM
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I don't think the original game king has one, does it? I'm missing a few games from a full set, but I don't think they are rarer or more pricey than the rest

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Jul 9, 2018 at 4:24:35 PM
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Originally posted by: fcgamer

I don't think the original game king has one, does it? I'm missing a few games from a full set, but I don't think they are rarer or more pricey than the rest
TBH, I think you might be one of the only people on the planet who'd actually know that. I've got a sizable Game King collection now, but I can't begin to imagine fullsetting it. Additionally, there are so many published multicarts, a true rare would slip under our noses.

There also could be one for the Supervision, the Gamepark 32, the Gamate, etc. I just don't know those collections very well.

 

Jul 9, 2018 at 5:04:45 PM
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PSP: Hilton Hotel (if you avoid the "it's not a 'game'" argument).
Wii U: Hyrule Warriors and MarioKart NYC Boxed sets (if you consider special editions as part of the set).
Gameboy: Spud's Adventure/Amazing Tater
Gameboy Color: Shantae

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Edited: 07/09/2018 at 05:06 PM by MrNESGuy

Jul 9, 2018 at 5:06:29 PM
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Virtual Boy: Jack Bros. -- also applies to Shin Megami Tensei/Persona series collections too  

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Jul 9, 2018 at 5:23:20 PM
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As somebody who is among the few to complete several early sets, when you get to collecting for the pre-NES systems, you start to realize that sometimes no amount of money will suffice for buying certain titles, and that time and pure luck are required. You can't hope to buy something that simply can't be found for sale at any price. Also, the size of a system library has nothing to do with how easy and quickly it will be to get every game in it, given how infrequently some titles ever come up for sale.

Magnavox Odyssey: Percepts, as it was a mail away and distributor bonus game that few got. The second wave of 4 games from 1973 are a close second contender. The odds of finding any of these in the wild after nearly half a Century are very slim. Ebay or a fellow collector are your only chances here. Only around 27 games in this set.

Fairchild Channel F: Most will say that #19: Checkers is it, but the real brutal one is the Democart, which was sold via mail order and even given a box. A few Democart 2s exist, but were never sold publicly. 27 games in the US retail set, and good luck.

RCA Studio II: None, really. This is actually the easiest US system to get a full retail set for, even boxed. There's only 10 games to get. The Bingo game is actually just a sales sample that was never sold. The two rarest retail games, Gunfighter/Moonship Battle and Speedway/Tag, turn up several times a year and go for at most around $100-$150 in good shape. Biorhythm goes for just slightly more than a copy would have cost back in the day when adjusted for inflation, and the other 7 can all be had complete for their original retail prices, which given 40 years of inflation means they've actually gotten cheaper over time. This system might also have the highest percentage of games still CIB, if only because they were rarely played back in the day. A complete collection of all games and a boxed system can be had for under $400 shipped.

Magnavox Odyssey 2: Power Lords, though it is "only" a few hundred for a complete copy. Only 49 games in this set.

Astrocade: Possibly the second easiest US system to get a full set for, if you only consider that most of the "third party" releases weren't necessarily licensed. There's still plenty of NOS for the actual main releases. Good luck getting a working system to play them on, though. 26 games in this set.

Vectrex: As said above, Minestorm II, and possibly Mr. Boston. The backstory of Mr. Boston just isn't well known enough to consider it a retail release. 28 games in this set.

Telstar Arcade: As said above, good luck finding Cartridge #4. Loose ones turn up fairly often, but complete copies are rare- far more so than any NES game. Only 3 extra games for this system, but you'll have an easier time completing collections for systems with much more extensive libraries. This was both a retail and mail-order release.

Emerson Arcadia 2001: #12: Red Clash, followed closely by #24: Spiders, and until recently #21: Grand Slam Tennis. Internationally, the Italian exclusive 3D Attack. Don't even bother with this set, as you will never see these games in the wild, and they can go years between Ebay appearances in any condition. To put the challenge into perspective, there are more copies known of Air Raid for the 2600 and more copies of the NES competition carts known than there are of Arcadia 2001 Red Clash. And no, foreign clone versions don't count- you can't substitute the Leisurevision versions and still consider it a complete set. If a few of the surviving copies hadn't been purchased directly from their original owners who happened to get them at retail back in the day, there would be serious grounds for doubting that these had ever even had retail releases. 22 games in the US Arcadia 2001 set.

Atari 2600: The one system that nobody is known to have a complete set for, or even a copy of every game.

Jul 9, 2018 at 5:31:27 PM
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Mah Jong, NBA Elite 11, games so rare people try to exclude them from full set lists  

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Jul 9, 2018 at 5:49:23 PM
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The big 3 SNES carts, and MACS if you want to count them. I just can't see owning one unless I planned on selling it later, which is pretty self-defeating.

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Jul 9, 2018 at 5:56:05 PM
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Atari 5200 - Bounty Bob Strikes Back. I got two at the same estate sale  

Jul 9, 2018 at 6:17:49 PM
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surgical strike 32x cd. only released in brazil.

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Jul 9, 2018 at 6:32:43 PM
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Intellivision: Spiker
Action Max: Blue Thunder
Colecovision: Wiz Math
Game.com: Wheel of Fortune 2

Not as rare as some of the previously mentioned titles, but usually the last game needed if looking for fullsets on these systems.

Jul 9, 2018 at 6:45:38 PM
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Originally posted by: nrslam

Intellivision: Spiker
Action Max: Blue Thunder
Colecovision: Wiz Math
Game.com: Wheel of Fortune 2

Not as rare as some of the previously mentioned titles, but usually the last game needed if looking for fullsets on these systems.

Ha, Blue Thunder certaily kills my prestigious Action Max set. You can get the other games for a few bucks a piece. I've had a saved search for over a year and only one $200+ VGA graded copy showed up IIRC.

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Jul 9, 2018 at 8:13:09 PM
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Originally posted by: nrslam

Intellivision: Spiker
Action Max: Blue Thunder
Colecovision: Wiz Math
Game.com: Wheel of Fortune 2

Not as rare as some of the previously mentioned titles, but usually the last game needed if looking for fullsets on these systems.

As someone who collected Coleco, it's odd that there seems to be more copies of WizMath floating around nowadays.  There were zero for sale for the longest time.  Additionally, SuperSketch was the hardest to find for me.
 

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Jul 9, 2018 at 9:21:41 PM
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Originally posted by: DefaultGen

Mah Jong, NBA Elite 11, games so rare people try to exclude them from full set lists  

I forget the exact details of NBA Elite 11, but wasn't it not actually released (as opposed to being recalled)?  We would have to define full set more clearly, but doesn't that make it not part of the official full set of games available to the public?

And as for the original topic, I'm very curious to see if Wii, DS, or GBA ever end up having any killers of their own in 10 years.
 

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Jul 9, 2018 at 9:35:53 PM
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yeah iirc elite 11 was cancelled very late. wouldn't consider it an official release although the copies out there are retail versions.

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Jul 9, 2018 at 10:00:15 PM
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Would like the english release of Trip World especially complete in the box be one worth getting nervous over for this kind of list? I've seen some convincing boots, and I've seen more complete or at least boxed up Japanese versions and I have a loose one from that region, but that UK release seems pretty obscure.

Jul 9, 2018 at 10:21:25 PM
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If you are talking cart only the list is very small
CIB the list jumps

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Jul 10, 2018 at 8:04:37 AM
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And what does the GameCube get? Pokemon box?

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Jul 10, 2018 at 9:04:36 AM
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Honestly I'd consider the SNES to be the DK Comp Cart. I'm down to just that and haven't been able to find one but have seen several EMBR/SR carts popup in the past year and a half.

Jul 10, 2018 at 9:13:45 AM
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I am one game away from having 3 different complete sets. I need Jack Bros for Virtual Boy, Pete Sampras Tennis for Game Gear (Way more rare than Mega Man, but less expensive when it does show up, although that could be changing soon, one sold recently for $70 on eBay that slipped under my radar), and the Speed Racer combo cart on SNES. I plan on getting Jack Bros and Pete Sampras if I can ever find it, but I consider my SNES collection done since I doubt I'll ever spend the money needed to get one of those SNES combo carts.

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Jul 10, 2018 at 9:17:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Brock Landers

The big 3 SNES carts, and MACS if you want to count them. I just can't see owning one unless I planned on selling it later, which is pretty self-defeating.
I don’t really count the MACS but yeah I agree on the big 3 for the SNES. I’d love to have them but just can’t justify it. When they were going for $300 I thought the price was crazy- now I’d jump on one for that price.

 

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Jul 10, 2018 at 10:16:06 AM
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PC Engine has some insane rares. Darius Alpha was 800 copies. Power Leauge, All stars edition was 100 copies. Indo No Honoo" Shishu Seyo! I have no clue how many copies was made, but seems to be the hardest game to find.