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I have a dream... and other changes at retrousb for 2013

Oct 21, 2013 at 5:11:49 PM
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Originally posted by: Lincoln

Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: Lincoln

Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Originally posted by: Lincoln

is it possible to output 3d compatible video to so you could play the famicom 3d games on a 3d tv?
I don't think the types of 3d are compatible.  Famicom uses shutter glasses to do alternating left/right frames, while 3d tv does alternating color or polarized frames.  If there is a shutter glasses tv then it should be easy, but someone will have to buy one for me  



The TVs mechanism for display should be independent of the content delivered to it. There are several types of 3d displays but they all work with the same blue rays. You just have to provide an appropriate stream. I don't know the technical workings if HDMI but if you're this far I would think its within reach. Does the news do 60 fields or a full 60 frames every second? If its frames that's one of your hurdles out of the way - you can split them to the approapriate channel and set whatever needed flag in the stream. If its frames I'd guess you would double every line first to fill in missing top/bottom field lines. I don't know if you could detect when 3d mode is activated. Might have to use a physical button on the unit or controller in conjunction with selecting 3d mode in game.

The Famicom/NES Method of 3D is by using the red and blue glasses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_3D) while 3D movie theater glasses (assuming the same for home TV's) use passive 3D, or active 3D, which uses polarized lenses.

It would work because the Famicom games are programmed for the red/blue anaglyph 3D, so the HDMI nes would need to do the video conversion before it passes it to the TV, at least I believe so.

 



Famicom games for the most part use full color alternating fields in conjunction with active shutter glasses. This works to good effect on old cart TVs. The red/blue system was the dumbed down version for the NES. That could probably be made workable but I'm not so concerned with that.

Ah, so it uses the same setup as the Master System? Probably doable, but might cost a bit extra, and buying bunny a 3D TV



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Oct 21, 2013 at 5:34:02 PM
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Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: Lincoln

Originally posted by: dra600n

Originally posted by: Lincoln

Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Originally posted by: Lincoln

is it possible to output 3d compatible video to so you could play the famicom 3d games on a 3d tv?
I don't think the types of 3d are compatible.  Famicom uses shutter glasses to do alternating left/right frames, while 3d tv does alternating color or polarized frames.  If there is a shutter glasses tv then it should be easy, but someone will have to buy one for me  



The TVs mechanism for display should be independent of the content delivered to it. There are several types of 3d displays but they all work with the same blue rays. You just have to provide an appropriate stream. I don't know the technical workings if HDMI but if you're this far I would think its within reach. Does the news do 60 fields or a full 60 frames every second? If its frames that's one of your hurdles out of the way - you can split them to the approapriate channel and set whatever needed flag in the stream. If its frames I'd guess you would double every line first to fill in missing top/bottom field lines. I don't know if you could detect when 3d mode is activated. Might have to use a physical button on the unit or controller in conjunction with selecting 3d mode in game.

The Famicom/NES Method of 3D is by using the red and blue glasses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaglyph_3D) while 3D movie theater glasses (assuming the same for home TV's) use passive 3D, or active 3D, which uses polarized lenses.

It would work because the Famicom games are programmed for the red/blue anaglyph 3D, so the HDMI nes would need to do the video conversion before it passes it to the TV, at least I believe so.

 



Famicom games for the most part use full color alternating fields in conjunction with active shutter glasses. This works to good effect on old cart TVs. The red/blue system was the dumbed down version for the NES. That could probably be made workable but I'm not so concerned with that.

Ah, so it uses the same setup as the Master System? Probably doable, but might cost a bit extra, and buying bunny a 3D TV

 

You could always pick up a copy of 3D World Runner


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Oct 21, 2013 at 8:07:53 PM
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If I buy you a 3D TV can I get the first HDMI AVS off the production line

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Oct 21, 2013 at 10:01:26 PM
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Originally posted by: KHAN Games

Point is, someone has to buy him a 3d tv for him to test on!


I'll go to best buy with him and run interference while he tests on all the display models.

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Oct 21, 2013 at 11:54:16 PM
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I think bunnyboy should design his own 3d tv to go along with the new system. Why stop at just designing a new system?

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Oct 21, 2013 at 11:57:21 PM
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Originally posted by: KHAN Games

I think bunnyboy should design his own 3d tv to go along with the new system. Why stop at just designing a new system?

2019, the year after he makes genesis cart shells

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Oct 21, 2013 at 11:58:59 PM
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Why make a TV that you hook a system to when you can make a TV that IS the system?!

Oct 22, 2013 at 8:58:56 AM
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I think Bunnyboy should delay development and release for months, so he can implement 3d and Famicom expansion.

Doesn't everyone like that idea?

Ohh wait, maybe he should just release the console as he envisioned it and how it would be best received?

HMMM..

Tough decision huh?

Oct 22, 2013 at 9:49:55 AM
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This thread contains so much beautiful.

Oct 22, 2013 at 10:32:01 AM
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I'm excited for the finished product :-)

Thanks for putting in so much hard work on this Brian. This will bring a lot of people into retro gaming

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Oct 22, 2013 at 10:47:52 AM
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Originally posted by: willis82

So bunnyboy what do you think about the disk ideas?
How about this, when there is a new FDS case in production I will add what is needed to my system  





Oct 22, 2013 at 11:10:10 AM
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Sent you a concept bunnyboy! Just an idea design wise...

Oct 22, 2013 at 1:17:29 PM
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Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Originally posted by: willis82

So bunnyboy what do you think about the disk ideas?
How about this, when there is a new FDS case in production I will add what is needed to my system  









If you reread my previous post a new FDS case doesn't need to be produced. Since your case is still in the design phase an opening for the disk drive itself could be included. You could have a simple fill plate for the opening for those who wish to forgo a disk drive. This way you would have minimal extra cost to the final product but have a system that's upgrade able for those who wish to. If you need leg work for components like the drive connector to the power board I am willing to help.

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Oct 22, 2013 at 1:50:21 PM
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3d doesn't look like its possible.  Famicom does 1 frame right, 1 frame left.  HDMI does 1 frame right+left, using either double clock speed or half the vertical resolution.  Double speed is too fast for my chip, and half resolution would need a frame buffer that I specifically avoided for lag.  Will know if the Famicom 3d glasses work on a normal lcd in a few weeks, but that is probably brand/model dependent because of input lag.

Originally posted by: willis82

If you reread my previous post a new FDS case doesn't need to be produced. Since your case is still in the design phase an opening for the disk drive itself could be included. You could have a simple fill plate for the opening for those who wish to forgo a disk drive.
Sorry missed the edit!  There isn't enough space inside the case for the FDS drive mechanics, so it would have to be a separate enclosure or the entire thing made twice as.  Every piece of plastic costs (literally) thousands in design/prototypes/molds so a simple fill plate is either a pay cut for me or a higher price for everyone.  If there was a chance many people could use it then I would take the hit, but even looking at how many FDS disks are on eBay I don't think thats a big selling point.  BTW I will buy super cheapo FDS disks for testing  

Originally posted by: Mouser

Sent you a concept bunnyboy! Just an idea design wise...
Can't make a cut that big, Famicom slot is in the front!


Oct 22, 2013 at 2:01:43 PM
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It was a cute idea to say the least!

Are you using any fonts on the casing of the unit? If so I highly suggest the font used on the NES / NES 2. It's just a classy font and would be great to see a theme between this and those NES consoles.

Second and last question is what is the plastic quality going to be compared to a NES or NES 2? Similar? Notably different?


Good luck with this as I said in the pm. This is not only an exciting project to witness for what it can do, but the design process should be fun. As a designer (mind you graphic designer), I really appreciate the designs put forth here. Especially the one that seems to be what'll be close to the finalized design. Very close in the general feel of the original NES styling.

Oct 22, 2013 at 4:48:41 PM
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Bunnyboy hit me up off thread (pm or email) I have access to equipment that might help your project, lessen your costs when it comes to designs.

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Oct 22, 2013 at 5:55:46 PM
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Originally posted by: Mouser

Are you using any fonts on the casing of the unit? If so I highly suggest the font used on the NES / NES 2.
Haven't gotten that far yet.  Likely won't have real words, just small logos.  I can try to use that font for label on bottom tho.

Originally posted by: Mouser

Second and last question is what is the plastic quality going to be compared to a NES or NES 2? Similar? Notably different?
Should feel very similar, injection molded ABS.  Probably won't be as smooth as the NES, more of a texture like the carts.  Smooth on large flat surfaces is hard (aka expensive).

Originally posted by: willis82

Bunnyboy hit me up off thread (pm or email) I have access to equipment that might help your project, lessen your costs when it comes to designs.
Do you happen to have a sub 2 mil SLA printer in your house?  

Oct 22, 2013 at 6:10:55 PM
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Originally posted by: bunnyboy

 

Originally posted by: willis82

Bunnyboy hit me up off thread (pm or email) I have access to equipment that might help your project, lessen your costs when it comes to designs.
Do you happen to have a sub 2 mil SLA printer in your house?  

Who doesn't?


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Oct 22, 2013 at 6:12:36 PM
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Not at my house......All I want to say on here

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Oct 22, 2013 at 8:22:32 PM
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Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Originally posted by: Mouser

Are you using any fonts on the casing of the unit? If so I highly suggest the font used on the NES / NES 2.
Haven't gotten that far yet.  Likely won't have real words, just small logos.  I can try to use that font for label on bottom tho.

Originally posted by: Mouser

Second and last question is what is the plastic quality going to be compared to a NES or NES 2? Similar? Notably different?
Should feel very similar, injection molded ABS.  Probably won't be as smooth as the NES, more of a texture like the carts.  Smooth on large flat surfaces is hard (aka expensive).

That's super awesome to hear the quality of the plastic will be that way!  It'll be really awesome for visual and over all feel of quality.

As for the fonts,  I was thinking maybe the general things like Power, Reset or anything like that that's marked on the other two NES's or some accessories.  Whether it's little or no text, I think using the font and replicating the plates and text on the original consoles would be a classy touch to keep in mind.  I would absolutely buy this in a heart beat just to see something that nice design wise!



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Originally posted by: Mouser

As for the fonts,  I was thinking maybe the general things like Power, Reset or anything like that that's marked on the other two NES's or some accessories.  Whether it's little or no text, I think using the font and replicating the plates and text on the original consoles would be a classy touch to keep in mind.  I would absolutely buy this in a heart beat just to see something that nice design wise!
 

I'd still buy it if he had the 'Power' and 'Reset' switches written in crayon, though replicating the original's font would be exceedingly awesome.



Oct 23, 2013 at 2:56:16 PM
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Fotunately my one FDS disk isn't dead!



Oct 23, 2013 at 7:01:47 PM
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Originally posted by: bunnyboy

Fotunately my one FDS disk isn't dead!







NICE! Offer still stands for the help, might save you some coin!



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Edited: 10/23/2013 at 07:02 PM by willis82

Oct 28, 2013 at 1:16:21 AM
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Hi, Bunnyboy.

I'm so glad to have been directed to this thread. We met at PRGE and you played my newly purchased copy of Chojin Sentai Jetman on your fantastic prototype system. Now that I know where to follow development, I'll keep my eye on your progress.

Having seen the quality of your system's output first hand, I am sold.

It was great to meet you at the show, and I can't wait for your system to be available for purchase.

Oct 29, 2013 at 10:08:59 PM
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