Yeah, last time I used gift paypal tacked on like 2% or whatever anyway. If I'm eating fees either way might as well take the safe route

If you pay with a credit card, you'll be charged a fee even if it is a gift payment.

Anything that isn't a bank transfer or paypal balance (ie, credit card or billmelater)

I can see both sides of this. If the "gift or pay fees" clause is hidden then that is a bunch of bull, but I always put it in my listings. I always feel like I have a price in mind and if the buyer wants to pay via gift, I will give them the 3% discount instead of having it go to paypal. I think its all about how you go about it. Maybe I am wrong, but I always thought giving the buyer a chance to save that 3% is a good thing. Am I going about it wrong and should I just charge the full amount (3% more)? Just out of curiosity...

Also, the people that say gift or 4% are a joke when paypal only charges 2.9% I just move on and don't even look at what they are selling if I see that.

Once again my neanderthal friend Dragoof has made a valid point.. I agree asking the buyer to pay the fee's is against paypals policy and just makes the seller look like a cheap ass.. I just dont buy from people that do that.. If there gonna nit pick about 3% there going to cheap out on shipping materials or tracking etc.. I too believe it should be a new rule on NA..

agreed

i will occasionally add the fees on my own when i pay someone for an item, but i definitely dont deal with people who demand it.

Funny--this just happened to me earlier this week. I sent the seller payment, promptly, and received a message after about not gifting the payment.

He never said it had to be gifted. Little feedback was available. I was already paying a slightly premium price--I guess sending payments as a gift is just expected by most.

It does not affect me at all since I don't use paypal, but I do think it makes the seller look like a douchebag. I would not even think about buying from them...even if it was one of the 2 games I needed.

Fees belong to the party receiving the money. There's nothing else to add up to this. Any kind of negotiation should start on this ground, and not the opposite.

I agree with dra600n, the seller should be covering the fees and more importantly it should be an established standard for dealing on the site, so then no seller gets bitched out for having slightly higher prices than the next guy in order to cover his fees.

Agree completely. As long as it's laid out before the transaction is accepted by both parties or whatever, then there's no problem with this. If the buyer didn't want to have to pay the PayPal fee, he wouldn't buy the item, and if the seller didn't want to have to pay it, he wouldn't sell it. So a mutual agreement about the PayPal fee is necessary on a case-by-case basis unless the payment is gifted.

Agreed with Dragoon, I come from a car forum where sellers were banned if found forcing users to pay eBay fees on top of the selling price.

But on the flip side, as annoying as it is for sellers to try to extort paypal fees, I also find it annoying when buyers have a sense of entitlement to NA discounts. If I have something on eBay at $20 + shipping, don't get annoyed when I decline your offer of $15 shipped. There's nothing wrong with making an offer on something, I sure do it myself, but I'm not offended when the seller declines. That has been my biggest peeve lately...

Thanks for all the opinions and discussion guys.

We are working now to revise the FAQ and make an announcement regarding this situation.

using debit card here is at buyer cost with a monthly fees. unlimited use is 22,95$ but it can start with 25 transactions/month fees for 5$. credit card however is at sellers cost and is included in the price.

KFC actually tried charging me an extra 50 cents for using my debit card as well, I was like WTF?  Used up the last of my cash for my chicken and now it honestly deters me from choosing KFC over Arbys.

I think the seller has to pay a fee for debit and credit. The cost to the buyer is between the buyer and the bank, and varies depending on what bank you're at, your account, if you're a student, etc. 

The only time a bank gets involved with using your debit card (at least in my experience) is when you're withdrawing $$ from the ATM - you get hit with the terminal fee (between $1.00 and $4.00, the higher being at the casinos) and then the bank will charge $1.00 per transaction through it (at least my bank does). If I use a bank owned ATM, all fees are waived.

I got hit with an $8.75 charge at the Casino in Detroit. I was like "daaaayyyyummm"

You shoulda called 9-1-1 and told them that there's a robber hiding in the ATM machine! I know at Foxwoods, the ATM fee is $4.00, or maybe it was $5.00. Either way, I've always learned to hit up my banks ATM since there's one 5 minutes from there, and it's on the way lol

Yeah, definitely a good call.  Needless to say, I havent used their ATM since.  It actually is a good thing its so high because I have had a couple times that I ran out of the money I brought and thought to myself, "I should hit the ATM" and the outrageous fee has deterred me, probably saving me a few hundred dollars haha

If you always insist on paying non-gift, why not just mentally add 4% to the price? Why make everyone pay the higher amount?

If gift payments become unwelcome, then I can no longer sell anything on this site. The difference between gift and non-gift is not just the fees for me. With gift, I can ship using first class mail. With non-gift, I am required to charge and use expedited parcel, which costs double the amount ($7 vs $15). Some people are willing to pay double the shipping cost for the peace of mind, but it prices cheaper games out of the market. 

Most people on here never ask me to pay for the fees but I do it anyway. I like NA and the prices on here are very fair. Paying an extra 3% is no biggie to me for a guy cutting me a great deal.

Gifting has always been unwelcome:

http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...

I've actually walked away from a few sales due to the demand for the fees. Some of them were even $2. I don't ask anyone for fees, and neither should anyone else. They are called seller fees, not buyer fees. I always say gift appeciated but by no means required.

I'm not following this..  Unless it's different in the great white north, you can't print shipping from a gift transaction unless you just use the generic shipping page.  But you can technically use that for all transactions.

I agree that requesting extra for fees makes the seller look like a cheapskate.  But, I think we shouldn't govern that.  The buyer isn't being forced to make the purchase, as you can always cancel transactions and walk away.  I feel it would be better to stay away from forbiding it and recommend that people not do it just like gifting payments.

I always request that people send payment as goods.  In fact, if you've ever bought from me you've probably seen..
Please send payment as goods!! 

It actually is a hassle to me when I get gifted payments.  I'd rather eat the fees and have the luxury of using multi-order shipping then save a few and have to copy+paste names and addresses.  Guess I'm lazy..
Plus I don't want paypal breathing down my neck.