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"Full set" fakers The harmful effects of the "have it your way" full set collecting style

Aug 20, 2017 at 7:19:57 PM
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Aug 20, 2017 at 7:38:33 PM
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Aug 20, 2017 at 8:16:03 PM
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Pretty sure a full set is Stadium Events, Hoops, yellow label Metroid and the Super Nintendo version of Yoshi's Cookie.

Prove to me that any of those other 'games' were sold in stores. I double dog dare ya.

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Aug 20, 2017 at 9:02:27 PM
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Originally posted by: fcgamer


What I am talking about is stated nicely when people start asking why what is included in a full set matters so much to me, or why so-called elitist collectors want to belittle the achievements of others, etc. I would turn the comments around a bit and ask why do people insist on being a bit disingenuous with their collections, trying to make them out to be larger than they are. If no one cares about the so called full set, why are so many people concerned about trying to claim they own one, then attaching a billion Strings to go with it.
 
This is kind of a bad attitude. I'd say most people aren't doing it to pretend like their collection is huge, they are setting a realistic goals for themselves, and using a shorthand phrase, i.e. "full set." People hearing about someone's "illegitimate fullset" either a) Don't actually give 2 shits about this, because they have their own things in life to care about, or b) Are collectors themselves, and understand there HAVE to be strings attached.

"I have a fullset of NES games" is easy to say, and good enough for nearly any occassion. Do you really insist on people saying "I have a full set of licensed NES games that were commercially released and not recalled but only between the years 1985-1995 and only released in the US" every time they talk about it, just so you feel that they are being honest?
 

Aug 20, 2017 at 10:09:41 PM
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Long story short...... Nintendo published their own list of the "complete" or "full set" list and it was still missing games (I'm looking at you Mike Tyson Punch Out and a few others)

If they couldn't get it right what makes you think we will all ever argee? It is what it is to you.

Aug 20, 2017 at 10:18:12 PM
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Originally posted by: Mr. CIB

Long story short...... Nintendo published their own list of the "complete" or "full set" list and it was still missing games (I'm looking at you Mike Tyson Punch Out and a few others)

If they couldn't get it right what makes you think we will all ever argee? It is what it is to you.



punch out is a game they developed. I highly doubt they forgot it. It was probably just an issue with the licensing behind Tyson's name.

Curious, what were the others?

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Aug 20, 2017 at 11:20:07 PM
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Originally posted by: Mr. CIB

Long story short...... Nintendo published their own list of the "complete" or "full set" list and it was still missing games (I'm looking at you Mike Tyson Punch Out and a few others)

If they couldn't get it right what makes you think we will all ever argee? It is what it is to you.


The person doing that didn't do their research. It is like that with some N64 games as well. They need someone better in charge of their archives/history, that is for sure. 

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Aug 20, 2017 at 11:26:21 PM
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Originally posted by: Bert
 
Originally posted by: Mr. CIB

Long story short...... Nintendo published their own list of the "complete" or "full set" list and it was still missing games (I'm looking at you Mike Tyson Punch Out and a few others)

If they couldn't get it right what makes you think we will all ever argee? It is what it is to you.



punch out is a game they developed. I highly doubt they forgot it. It was probably just an issue with the licensing behind Tyson's name. Curious, what were the others?

The three licensed Tengens (Pac-Man, RBI Baseball, and Gauntlet), Miracle Piano, and Cyberball.
 

Aug 20, 2017 at 11:28:43 PM
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Originally posted by: Bert

Don't look at me, I love those damn multicarts

Me too. I'd love a full SuperVision NES set, though I have no idea how big that would be. I have a SuperVision Flintstones 2, and it's one of my favorite carts. It always struck me as such a strange game to be pirated by them.


Edited: 08/20/2017 at 11:31 PM by barrels

Aug 20, 2017 at 11:43:42 PM
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Originally posted by: mattbep

Originally posted by: guillavoie
 
Originally posted by: DreamTR

The reason this post was made is that people are saying "they have a full set" but are missing SE and other high end stuff or replace with repros.
 

I have the feeling that the intent of OP was to say that a full set means everything ever made on Earth for NES/Famicom, or at the least, everything made during what we could coin as the « active » years of the NES/Famicom as a major home console, including every unlicensed and pirated games.

Seems contradictory, as you would already be putting a restriction on what qualifies as counting. Why stop there. If you're going to put a restriction on it, why have a problem with someone putting further restrictions like saying "licensed".

I don't really know if this is what he meant, even by reading his new post. But you're right, it would be somewhat contradictory.

And if someone collects everything that goes in a NES, he would hardly be using the term 'full set' to mean anything, cause he is interested in all games for NES, which hardly constitutes a 'set' in a sense.




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Aug 21, 2017 at 12:02:56 AM
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But I'm not sure I've ever seen someone say, "I have the full set of NES releases." Usually they are saying they have the full licensed set. If they claim to have every NES game and aren't including unlicensed, then you can question that. I just don't think anyone does that.

Aug 21, 2017 at 12:16:33 AM
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Perhaps in consideration of the Nintendo made NES set list, Mike Tyson's Punchout was likely removed since they replaced it after he got busted for rape and abuse. Not exactly Nintendo family friendly now is it? Kind of like how they've in some print exclude the existence of Stadium Events because they bought up the game and renamed it as their own.

Aug 21, 2017 at 1:13:50 AM
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Originally posted by: barrelsAndRivets

Originally posted by: Bert

Don't look at me, I love those damn multicarts

Me too. I'd love a full SuperVision NES set, though I have no idea how big that would be. I have a SuperVision Flintstones 2, and it's one of my favorite carts. It always struck me as such a strange game to be pirated by them.



neat, got any pics?

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Aug 21, 2017 at 1:18:31 AM
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Originally posted by: VmprHntrD

they replaced it after he got busted for rape and abuse.
Punch Out (without Tyson) release: Aug 1990
Arrest for rape: July 1991
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Aug 21, 2017 at 1:21:13 AM
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Edited: 05/25/2019 at 08:26 PM by fcgamer

Aug 21, 2017 at 1:38:26 AM
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Aug 21, 2017 at 1:42:12 AM
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But isn't the feeling to tell them they're wrong a good enough compensation to let them say it whenever they like?

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Aug 21, 2017 at 1:53:43 AM
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Originally posted by: fcgamer

I've seen a lot of good discussion and comments here. A lot of people keep mentioning the sachen's again, well they had taken all the steps for distribution in the USA, and even had the ads for exporting, funny that most people don't want to include those no matter how much information is gathered to put them into the set, lol. But despite what is said on these. That's not my intention for this thread.

Likewise I dont think every xx in 1 pirate cart needs to count either, though I do think that If people started documenting those, there are really quite few unique ones compared to what people assume.

What I am talking about is stated nicely when people start asking why what is included in a full set matters so much to me, or why so-called elitist collectors want to belittle the achievements of others, etc. I would turn the comments around a bit and ask why do people insist on being a bit disingenuous with their collections, trying to make them out to be larger than they are. If no one cares about the so called full set, why are so many people concerned about trying to claim they own one, then attaching a billion Strings to go with it.

Likewise, I am tired of hearing the weak justification that unlicensed games done count since they all suck and weren't licensed by Nintendo. It's been proven before that the only difference between a licensed and unlicensed game is the license itself, it has nothing to do with quality, no matter what Nintendo tried to suggest back in the day. Alien syndrome, fantasy zone, after burner, videomation, time diver eon man, these are all perfect examples. And if we want to talk about sucking, a ton of licensed games suck too, and a ton of unlicensed games are, likewise, great.

Where are these people?
 

Aug 21, 2017 at 2:23:15 AM
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Originally posted by: Somery
 
Originally posted by: fcgamer

I've seen a lot of good discussion and comments here. A lot of people keep mentioning the sachen's again, well they had taken all the steps for distribution in the USA, and even had the ads for exporting, funny that most people don't want to include those no matter how much information is gathered to put them into the set, lol. But despite what is said on these. That's not my intention for this thread.

Likewise I dont think every xx in 1 pirate cart needs to count either, though I do think that If people started documenting those, there are really quite few unique ones compared to what people assume.

What I am talking about is stated nicely when people start asking why what is included in a full set matters so much to me, or why so-called elitist collectors want to belittle the achievements of others, etc. I would turn the comments around a bit and ask why do people insist on being a bit disingenuous with their collections, trying to make them out to be larger than they are. If no one cares about the so called full set, why are so many people concerned about trying to claim they own one, then attaching a billion Strings to go with it.

Likewise, I am tired of hearing the weak justification that unlicensed games done count since they all suck and weren't licensed by Nintendo. It's been proven before that the only difference between a licensed and unlicensed game is the license itself, it has nothing to do with quality, no matter what Nintendo tried to suggest back in the day. Alien syndrome, fantasy zone, after burner, videomation, time diver eon man, these are all perfect examples. And if we want to talk about sucking, a ton of licensed games suck too, and a ton of unlicensed games are, likewise, great.

Where are these people?
 


You see some whenever a "full set" goes up for sale. 

Aug 21, 2017 at 2:59:20 AM
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Originally posted by: fcgamer

  Is not him claiming to have a complete set sort of a slap in the face or a belittlement of someone's accomplishment, who actually does strive to go the extra mile, do the extra footwork to get all of the carts from that region?  Of course!  And therein lies one of my issues with the term and the now-popular "have it your way" style of collecting.
 
No, it really isn't. Its a sad way to live one's life to base the satisfaction of an personal accomplishment based on others. Your analogy of the 400m dash is completely different. Collecting is not a competitive sport. You don't get a trophy for having the 'most complete set.'

I think this is where we fundamentally disagree. People should be collecting for their own personal feelings of accomplishment. The games I chose to pursue or not pursue should have zero effect on how good DreamTR feels about himself when he wakes up tomorrow. Anything else is just... doing things for the wrong reasons.
 

Aug 21, 2017 at 5:26:18 AM
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Aug 21, 2017 at 6:45:13 AM
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Is this really that much of a problem? In terms of people being truly disingenuous?

I am happy for people who achieve their goals and enjoy this hobby. We aren't always all going to agree on every little aspect of everything, and that's OK and to be expected. I am still having fun and enjoying both gaming and collecting, and lately I have gotten to know many people here better and better and it has been a great year for me gaming-wise. This issue of what defines a full set and the semantics of terminology is so incredibly non-impactful to my enjoyment of this hobby. If it is a problem for others, I am sorry to hear that.

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Aug 21, 2017 at 7:01:52 AM
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Aug 21, 2017 at 7:19:16 AM
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Maybe your comment is more directed at others and in the past, but it ISN'T a big deal to me about whether those are included. I think we are talking about slightly different things. I am not trying to say people can change facts and definitions. I am saying They can have their own goals.

On the concept of how they explain it, I simply just don't care whether someone says "I have a full licensed set less stadium events" or "I have every U.S. licensed game except for Stadium Events" or "I do not have a full licensed US set because I don't have Stadium Events but I have everything else." It literally does not impact me or give me any pause whichever of these ways someone chooses to talk about what they have because I think the same underlying point comes across in all three.

I am not trying to attack you. I understand your point about the challenge of a big accomplishment. I understand your point about 'if people don't care then why not concede to xxxx games being included in a fullset.'

I am not addressing here the discussion of what is historically considered a "Full Set." I am simply stating my thoughts about how it doesn't bother me that much how someone chooses to talk about what they have if they are being genuine. As I stated, pretty much the only situation in which I care that much about this is if someone is trying to intentionally deceive or scam someone.

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Hey my thread started an offshoot discussion. Neat. I'm OCD as fuck so I wanted to know for personal reasons and because it seemed a bit grey in terms of what defines a full set, but I'm an all or nothing kinda guy (in terms of just retail released loose cart games, haha) so yes selective exclusions seem a bit silly to me but hey, I will do me and you do you. Wasn't trying to start a fussin' and a feudin' over the subject.

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