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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:15:13 PM
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Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: themotherbrain


Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying.



I'd go even further and say that no representative or senator should get paid more than the median income for the country.

I'm a mercenary, so I can appreciate people that deserve to make more money than most because they add value or create something.

Politicians don't.  It's public SERVICE.  Instead, through the generations they've crafted it into a very lucrative career.  It's incredibly perverse.

If they don't add value they shouldn't be needed and you should just get rid of them all.


If it were run like a corporation, it would be easy to fire the ineffective ones at any time and replace them with people that did their job correctly.

Instead, if the person that gets elected turns out to be a useless dipshit, you're stuck with them for their full term, unless they do something illegal.

They are supposed to have an important function in our country.  But that is not the same thing as directly creating value.


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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:17:13 PM
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Well I didn't expect that enough people would be willing to do it simply to make a difference and make less pay than they could make elsewhere. Although you do provide a good point that there are a lot of people who do those things just to serve their country. Average salaries would also eliminate people doing it "just for the money" and there would be people who legitimately care about the country and there would be no reason to lie or cheat.

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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:20:46 PM
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Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Well I didn't expect that enough people would be willing to do it simply to make a difference and make less pay than they could make elsewhere. Although you do provide a good point that there are a lot of people who do those things just to serve their country. Average salaries would also eliminate people doing it "just for the money" and there would be people who legitimately care about the country and there would be no reason to lie or cheat.

Power is worth more than money to plenty of people.

Plus it would seem that most current career politicians have sufficient independent wealth to not need the salary anyway, which is part of why it's so absurd and offensive that they keep voting raises for themselves.

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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:22:01 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel


If it were run like a corporation, it would be easy to fire the ineffective ones at any time and replace them with people that did their job correctly.

Instead, if the person that gets elected turns out to be a useless dipshit, you're stuck with them for their full term, unless they do something illegal.

They are supposed to have an important function in our country.  But that is not the same thing as directly creating value.


I really don't see how that could be at all.  There is no possible way a position can be neccessary without adding value.  A good political leader can add plenty of value and a bad one can take it away.  I agree it would be great if they were ranked on performance, but I don't think paying them all the same low salary would help.  They make the rules and are probably corrupt anyway so they will just pad their salaries with their corruption.


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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:26:37 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Well I didn't expect that enough people would be willing to do it simply to make a difference and make less pay than they could make elsewhere. Although you do provide a good point that there are a lot of people who do those things just to serve their country. Average salaries would also eliminate people doing it "just for the money" and there would be people who legitimately care about the country and there would be no reason to lie or cheat.

Power is worth more than money to plenty of people.

Plus it would seem that most current career politicians have sufficient independent wealth to not need the salary anyway, which is part of why it's so absurd and offensive that they keep voting raises for themselves.

Very true, I never really thought of the fact that many of our own Prime Ministers have been millionaires before being elected, through inheritance or other means. Well played

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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:37:04 PM
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Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel


If it were run like a corporation, it would be easy to fire the ineffective ones at any time and replace them with people that did their job correctly.

Instead, if the person that gets elected turns out to be a useless dipshit, you're stuck with them for their full term, unless they do something illegal.

They are supposed to have an important function in our country.  But that is not the same thing as directly creating value.


I really don't see how that could be at all.  There is no possible way a position can be neccessary without adding value.  A good political leader can add plenty of value and a bad one can take it away.  I agree it would be great if they were ranked on performance, but I don't think paying them all the same low salary would help.  They make the rules and are probably corrupt anyway so they will just pad their salaries with their corruption.


There are definitely things that can be necessary without directly adding or creating value.

I'd say that the judicial system is necessary, but it generally only costs money.

Police forces and fire departments don't add value, but they're necessary.  They seek to preserve existing value.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of necessities that don't translate directly into added financial value.




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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:38:07 PM
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Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:47:55 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: cradelit

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel


If it were run like a corporation, it would be easy to fire the ineffective ones at any time and replace them with people that did their job correctly.

Instead, if the person that gets elected turns out to be a useless dipshit, you're stuck with them for their full term, unless they do something illegal.

They are supposed to have an important function in our country.  But that is not the same thing as directly creating value.


I really don't see how that could be at all.  There is no possible way a position can be neccessary without adding value.  A good political leader can add plenty of value and a bad one can take it away.  I agree it would be great if they were ranked on performance, but I don't think paying them all the same low salary would help.  They make the rules and are probably corrupt anyway so they will just pad their salaries with their corruption.


There are definitely things that can be necessary without directly adding or creating value.

I'd say that the judicial system is necessary, but it generally only costs money.

Police forces and fire departments don't add value, but they're necessary.  They seek to preserve existing value.

I'm sure there are plenty of other examples of necessities that don't translate directly into added financial value.





Yes, but whether it is direct or not makes no difference to anything.  Your development team doesn't directly make you money, they make products and the sales team sells them but without your product you have nothing to sell.  Your tech support team doesn't directly make you money, but they make the customers want to buy your stuff.  Your police don't directly make you money, but they make sure others can.  So what?

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Apr 13, 2011 at 4:58:34 PM
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Originally posted by: cradelit






Yes, but whether it is direct or not makes no difference to anything.  Your development team doesn't directly make you money, they make products and the sales team sells them but without your product you have nothing to sell.  Your tech support team doesn't directly make you money, but they make the customers want to buy your stuff.  Your police don't directly make you money, but they make sure others can.  So what?

I don't think I've ever bought a product based on the tech support team.


I think you're misusing the police in your example, though.  Police, the SEC, congress, etc, provide regulation.  Regulating something isn't adding value to the process.  It's shaping the flow of existing value and the ways that new value can legally be added to the system.  They do it to make things "fair" (or because it's in the interest of some lobbyist's organization, at the expense of somebody else).

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Apr 13, 2011 at 5:05:31 PM
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This whole exchange is beside the point, though, that politicians are virtually all paid many, many times what they're actually worth, or what it would take to get someone to do the job honestly.

The supply and demand curves meet at a much lower price-point than the current salaries and benefits add up to.

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Edited: 04/13/2011 at 05:05 PM by arch_8ngel

Apr 13, 2011 at 5:12:50 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: cradelit






Yes, but whether it is direct or not makes no difference to anything.  Your development team doesn't directly make you money, they make products and the sales team sells them but without your product you have nothing to sell.  Your tech support team doesn't directly make you money, but they make the customers want to buy your stuff.  Your police don't directly make you money, but they make sure others can.  So what?

I don't think I've ever bought a product based on the tech support team.


I think you're misusing the police in your example, though.  Police, the SEC, congress, etc, provide regulation.  Regulating something isn't adding value to the process.  It's shaping the flow of existing value and the ways that new value can legally be added to the system.  They do it to make things "fair" (or because it's in the interest of some lobbyist's organization, at the expense of somebody else).

heh, I used that example because I used to on an awesome in tech support team and our company was bought by someone too stupid to figure out the correlation between good support and profit and treated tech support like shit and everyone left and now the company isn't making as much money..  Big suprise dipshits heh

The environment provided by the police, congress, etc for people to work in is either contributing to or hindering people making money, and in that way they are like the other examples.  Companies will often factor in the value they see in the legal environment provided by certain governments when deciding where to set up their locations.

Edit: fixed sentence structure bug.


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Apr 13, 2011 at 5:21:56 PM
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I think we're going to have to recognize that we have a fundamental difference in our philosophies regarding value, how it is added, and the impact of regulation or environment, and just leave it at that.

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Apr 13, 2011 at 5:38:01 PM
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Obama obama obama

Apr 13, 2011 at 6:05:19 PM
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Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


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Apr 13, 2011 at 6:11:47 PM
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Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


I thought nested quotes killed kittens....


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Apr 13, 2011 at 6:13:25 PM
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Originally posted by: zi


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


Hey cut us some slack would you?  I need a distraction from working on the unending flood of bugs once in a while   Who makes this crappy software anyway?

Edit: note, talking about my work, just so that isn't misinterpretted.. lol


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Edited: 04/13/2011 at 06:15 PM by cradelit

Apr 13, 2011 at 6:32:14 PM
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Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


I thought nested quotes killed kittens....


Should I apologize to Jesus or the kittens?


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Apr 13, 2011 at 6:38:03 PM
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Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


I thought nested quotes killed kittens....


Should I apologize to Jesus or the kittens?



prob the easier one first.

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Apr 13, 2011 at 6:39:04 PM
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Let me just add.... Rabble rabble rabble!!

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okay, just wanted to point something out here. If there was any chance Obama was born in a differnt county, don't you think the people who were run against him would have found it? especially clinton...

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If there was any chance Obama was born in a different country, don't you think the FBI/CIA/Illuminati would have faked the USA documents by now? Can't the guys that faked the moon landing make a video of him being born wrapped in a flag or something?

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Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


I thought nested quotes killed kittens....


Should I apologize to Jesus or the kittens?



prob the easier one first.

This thread will go on untill there is 25 quotes within quotes. Lets keep it going.


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Apr 13, 2011 at 7:53:06 PM
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Originally posted by: duncan

Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


I thought nested quotes killed kittens....


Should I apologize to Jesus or the kittens?



prob the easier one first.

This thread will go on until there is 25 quotes within quotes. Lets keep it going.



Not a chance.... oh, wait!

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Apr 13, 2011 at 7:57:12 PM
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Originally posted by: pseudonym

Originally posted by: duncan

Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

Originally posted by: zi

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: doner24

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

Originally posted by: technicalfoul

Originally posted by: themotherbrain

^Term limits are a must to keep things in the best interest of the people. I'm sorry a politician in office for 20 years won't be the one with fresh ideas or the one to embrace change.


I have to disagree. If the people are the ones constantly re-electing somebody, it means (ideally) that they're happy with the job he/she is doing. If the people want change, they'll elect somebody else. 

Edit: And to be fair, our longest serving Prime Minister wasn't in power for 20 years straight, he came back multiple times (for those who are just itching to learn about Canadian politics, Google search William Lyon MacKenzie King. He's our Prime Minister with the most um...interesting personal life). 



Buddy for me to be fair, I will say that something like 94% of incumbents were re-elected in NY this past November. Are you going to seriously tell me that  94% of your politicians are worth re-election with a straight face? Don't make me laugh by saying they are because you aren't paying attention if that's the case. The guy with the money and power generally can swing things their direction. They have better connection with the media and generally more ability to 1-up the opponent. 

Arch's comment about it not being a viable career is exacly what I was saying. When your focus is campaigning to keep your career, you aren't looking out for my interests.


True, but I'm sure that differs depending where you are. If you're telling me that those politicians weren't worth re-electing and that term limits are good there, I believe you. They work in NY (maybe in the country in general) and we don't need them in other places. That's why I said "ideally" those who are being re-elected are making the people happy, but of course that isn't 100% the case. The problem is when the leader is doing a good job and they have to leave, whether the people actually want that or not. 

Maybe this reason is why campaign funding should be limited. In theory less funds should equal less face time, hopefully putting more people on even ground. With technology today, it is much easier to look up information on candidates to inform yourself, rather than relying on the ads and rallys (not that many politicians follow up with their promises).


The only thing there is you'd have to get them to vote  for campaign finance reform, which will happen when pigs fly out of your ass.

Oh, and I would like to add the NY is the financial epicenter of the world, so all their stupidity that you feel insulated from directly affects you.


nested quotes make baby jesus cry.

also, did you hear obama is a muslim, so he hates baby jesus? 



how long can this silly thread go on?!?!?!?


I thought nested quotes killed kittens....


Should I apologize to Jesus or the kittens?



prob the easier one first.

This thread will go on until there is 25 quotes within quotes. Lets keep it going.



Not a chance.... oh, wait!

this is seriously too many quotes. Guys, read the FAQ, only 3 nested quotes, okay?


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Apr 13, 2011 at 8:41:04 PM
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I prefer to think of it as a ziggurat of doom.

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