NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T13:54:34 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98
Lock it up. ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T13:42:31 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98 Originally posted by: user

Originally posted by: GradualGames

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: user

I will still be happy member of NA, I will just commercialize my stuff elsewhere.
There is no reason to tie your hands behind your back by not publicizing and commercializing things with a site that caters to your core audience
Amen.


Nathan, Derek, I disagree: a commercial product is one thing and an amateurish product another.
I do not want to take advantage on NA for profit purposes, if this is not what others are doing.
My work will be reachable for everyone (including NA members, of course) from other channels.

However, I please you to let's just drop this other subject now.

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At everyone:

I am happy to know that Thomas (and I hope everyone else by now) understood 100% clear that I was not targeting Doug personally with my post in the other thread. This was what I cared the most.

I am happy that I learned many things I was ignorant about these last days, and that I could get to the right conclusions in base of that. I wish this discussion happened earlier, but better late than never.

Thank you everyone for clearing out things to me.

Cheers.
While this is definitely your choice to make, literally no one was asking you, nor wanted you, to make it. 
]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T13:27:51 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98 Originally posted by: GradualGames

Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: user

I will still be happy member of NA, I will just commercialize my stuff elsewhere.
There is no reason to tie your hands behind your back by not publicizing and commercializing things with a site that caters to your core audience
Amen.


Nathan, Derek, I disagree: a commercial product is one thing and an amateurish product another.
I do not want to take advantage on NA for profit purposes, if this is not what others are doing.
My work will be reachable for everyone (including NA members, of course) from other channels.

However, I please you to let's just drop this other subject now.

***

At everyone:

I am happy to know that Thomas (and I hope everyone else by now) understood 100% clear that I was not targeting Doug personally with my post in the other thread. This was what I cared the most.

I am happy that I learned many things I was ignorant about these last days, and that I could get to the right conclusions in base of that. I wish this discussion happened earlier, but better late than never.

Thank you everyone for clearing out things to me.

Cheers. ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T13:12:03 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98
It's usually better to just ignore the person and move on. Some people don't even care if their words are worth anything constructive, but it is indeed their prerogative. When you post something on the internet and think that what people may say is not worth your time, then don't make it.

You can always preface any topic by saying "Need C&C on this plz, unhelpful comments will be ignored" and that'll be that. If people don't wish to respect that, don't respect their words.

If anything, you all feel as if you do need moderation or censorship, there's ways to block people... ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T12:54:04 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98
I think the overall takeaway from the OP and the thread in general, is just a reminder for all of us to try to slow down just a bit, and be sometimes a little more thoughtful about how we communicate with others on here. Try to be respectful, try to be courteous. Don't assume the worst in people. As several people have pointed out, sometimes comments come across very differently than intended, and sometimes sarcasm can come across more hateful than its humorous intent.

I know things aren't always going to be perfect, and none of us is perfect. As much as I try to stay calm and positive, occasionally I fall back a bit and have to remind myself to relax and just take a step back. This is only natural and we are all human. I also am not so naive to think that every comment and every discussion on here is going to be perfectly lovely and happy, without any negativity or criticism, ever. Nor do I want to censor or squash free speech to the point of things not being genuine. I can assure you that the mods really try to not get involved unless we have to -- we want to foster a good time here and some great discussion. Sometimes that includes playfulness and the occasional jab at friends, etc. And good constructive discussion of a topic - even when it is passionate and heated - is completely fine! It is only when things get personal or hateful, or overly negative, that I think we have a problem.

This thread is expressly about criticism, but I think it is also about a desire from the OP for people to be just a little bit more positive and thoughtful about others on here. This doesn't apply to anyone in particular - it applies to everyone.

Also - and I want to emphasize this - for the most part, I don't think this is really a "problem." The majority of threads and discussion around here are completely normal and without issue. Don't let a few examples of bad things shape your experience or opinion around here. For the most part, we have a great forum with a great member base, and most people get along just fine and have great experiences.

If anyone has any remaining issues or problems about individuals or specific cases, please feel free to discuss those via PM. But at this point, let's just all move on and forward (I think most of us have already). ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T12:53:46 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98 Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
 
Originally posted by: user


I will still be happy member of NA, I will just commercialize my stuff elsewhere.
There is no reason to tie your hands behind your back by not publicizing and commercializing things with a site that caters to your core audience  
  Amen.

Honestly I find this entire thread a bit distasteful, as I think it is almost a public flogging of user, who did nothing wrong. I personally think he is in fact owed an apology by the whole forum for letting this thread continue. If I were a mod I think I'd either lock or delete the whole thing. It has helped exactly nobody. As for myself, I am fond of everyone here and judge nor blame anybody for their actions. It's okay to be human and fuck up sometimes. If we're going to call somebody out for being rude, let's save our ire for when it is actually bad and ongoing, which for the most part I think we do. This was a mistake.
  ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T12:50:53 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98 Originally posted by: user


I will still be happy member of NA, I will just commercialize my stuff elsewhere. There is no reason to tie your hands behind your back by not publicizing and commercializing things with a site that caters to your core audience  
  ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T12:39:02 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98 Originally posted by: kamakaze_ekun

Originally posted by: user

Originally posted by: kamakaze_ekun

When we learn to stop socialising that's when anarchy happens. You don't want that do you?


I don't see how this thought is relevant in this conversation, however, I like to avoid being negatively labeled, so I care about doing things the correct way. If I get a negative feedback from two people for something I said, I wonder if I was breaking a rule I was ignorant about.

I do not like such philosophy they are explaining here, but I can adapt to it, in name of an (hopefully) happy membership within this community,



NintendoAge has a philosophy? Holy shit how did I not know about this?

See reply to zi.   ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T12:27:12 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98 Originally posted by: zi

read the forum rules, then this:

http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...

That's the philosophy. it's a site about a hobby. play metroid.


Thanks. I was not aware of such post, and I wish that someone would point it to me before.

Yes, I understood this brewery pretty wrong for 3 years.

For me design stuff it is business, so I can see how I can sound odd (to Beau and likely others) for some of my statements. If I say a colleague a problem in his work before deliver to the customer, he will be thankful to me, this is not the case here, for the simple fact that it is intended for fun, and it should be kept that way.

I will still be happy member of NA, I will just commercialize my stuff elsewhere.

Thanks again for pointing out this post to me, I was not aware of it.

Thanks for being intellectually honest in pointing me to the right direction, Appreciated. ]]> When to Offer Criticism... and When to Maybe Not http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=173787 2017-05-16T12:26:26 -05.00 SoleGooseProductions 98 Originally posted by: GradualGames
 
Originally posted by: user
 
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

You are free to comment on any project you want, just as any other member is.
And similarly any member is free to comment on your style and substance of commentary.


And, exactly, I am asking if such style and substance is within the community guidelines, to know what to reply next time.
It absolutely is. You were 100% polite in your feedback. I didn't detect anything in your feedback on the forum lately that sounded anything like an insult or anything of that nature. It was just your honest thoughts and opinions. Whether or not it was particularly useful at the time given is another matter, but I really don't see any issues with the content of your remarks.

I really think tact in criticism is more important when we're talking about newbies who are unsure of themselves and are mostly in need of encouragement. For such individuals, a lot of criticism can seem overwhelming and maybe discouraging. When we identify someone is new, definitely we should err on the side of encouragment. But for everyone else who is experienced, I really don't think there should be any rules or guidelines on how to present criticism. Say 3gengames (as an extreme example) showed up on one of my threads and said: THIS IS TOTAL GARBAGE $%@$%@#$@$@!!!!  I really wouldn't have cared or asked for him to be banned. But when he exhibited that behavior to a member who I believe was relatively new to game development, that is definitely a bannable offense, in my opinion.

Nothing like that was going on here.
  That in itself wasn't a bannable offense.   The mountain of bullshit to which that was the rancid whipped cream topping did him in.

For the other stuff (from all sides), let's keep this a bit more civil?

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