NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-02T17:40:22 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Originally posted by: themisfit138

Originally posted by: Splain

I don't vote if I'm not familiar and I don't have time to get familiar, but I kinda tried with DT. Obviously I don't "get" metal, but this guy makes me second-guess what I thought I knew about metal bands.

This is an honest question, I don't mean any disrespect if the answer is no, but does every metal group/song have an element of being "ironically" hard? For example, it's tough to verbally explain what goes on in a lot of metal music videos in a way that sounds like they're serious about being so "metal," and it feels like the kind of thing you have to not think too hard about, and just let it be 90's cool.

For example, the juular music video looks like an N64 game. I'm not poking fun, it's obvious they weren't trying to make everything look true to life in that video. If that song/video was made to make some serious, real statement about religion/hell/whatever it's about, then it's just plain not something I'm into, like watching people get REALLY into fandoms and stuff. (Like when people ask me "really?" when I tell them I collect old Game Boy games unironically  ) But if it comes from a room full of guys saying "haha, let's make it super over the top! We'll have this guy named Juular riding a polygonal hell-train and the one guy is all calm but then Juular jumps up and screams!" etc., then I can see how people can just sort of jump into music like this and just feel like a crazy teenager for a little bit.

Also, it's sort of a common running joke that really hard metal guys are actually teddy bears inside. It's common enough that it starts to make sense that people just listen to it for fun, a tiny bit ironically, and not to actually sink themselves into the death and satanic stuff etc, actually thinking that the music videos are cool. It's kinda funny to think that bands who are constantly depicting themselves as hard and serious are still following all the steps; dutifully filming music videos, printing CDs, making agreements with iTunes etc. It's all just a little bit forced, right?

Again, no disrespect if I'm way off. I definitely listen to loads of embarrassing garbage unironically. It might be that it's just not for me.


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To answer your question, even Kerry King of Slayer said you should look at their music as if it were a horror movie. Metal is entertainment have fun.


Perfect answer. In fact the main reason I love DT so much is just how fun his music is. Ocean machine is a more serious artistic effort along the lines of 90s alternative. Really good music! ]]> Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-01T15:24:55 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-01T15:02:47 -05.00 Brock Landers 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA_j_72psoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gr63DiEUxw

Metal is whatever you want it to be or whatever attitude you want it to be ]]> Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-01T14:56:37 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Originally posted by: Splain

I don't vote if I'm not familiar and I don't have time to get familiar, but I kinda tried with DT. Obviously I don't "get" metal, but this guy makes me second-guess what I thought I knew about metal bands.

This is an honest question, I don't mean any disrespect if the answer is no, but does every metal group/song have an element of being "ironically" hard? For example, it's tough to verbally explain what goes on in a lot of metal music videos in a way that sounds like they're serious about being so "metal," and it feels like the kind of thing you have to not think too hard about, and just let it be 90's cool.

For example, the juular music video looks like an N64 game. I'm not poking fun, it's obvious they weren't trying to make everything look true to life in that video. If that song/video was made to make some serious, real statement about religion/hell/whatever it's about, then it's just plain not something I'm into, like watching people get REALLY into fandoms and stuff. (Like when people ask me "really?" when I tell them I collect old Game Boy games unironically  ) But if it comes from a room full of guys saying "haha, let's make it super over the top! We'll have this guy named Juular riding a polygonal hell-train and the one guy is all calm but then Juular jumps up and screams!" etc., then I can see how people can just sort of jump into music like this and just feel like a crazy teenager for a little bit.

Also, it's sort of a common running joke that really hard metal guys are actually teddy bears inside. It's common enough that it starts to make sense that people just listen to it for fun, a tiny bit ironically, and not to actually sink themselves into the death and satanic stuff etc, actually thinking that the music videos are cool. It's kinda funny to think that bands who are constantly depicting themselves as hard and serious are still following all the steps; dutifully filming music videos, printing CDs, making agreements with iTunes etc. It's all just a little bit forced, right?

Again, no disrespect if I'm way off. I definitely listen to loads of embarrassing garbage unironically. It might be that it's just not for me. Like anything else I'm sure it depends on the artist

Gojira = super heavy band that is dead serious about saving the whales and the environment
Devin Townsend = super heavy band(s) that do concept albums about intergalactic coffee pirates or metal bands that break a string so they sponteanously decide they are punk bands

Ghost = Satanic band that covers ABBA, plays the sax, homages Flashdance, while writing pop songs about canabalizing Christ
Behemoth = Satanic band that is dead serious about Christianity being a pox on mankind

  ]]> Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-01T12:44:40 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Originally posted by: Splain

I don't vote if I'm not familiar and I don't have time to get familiar, but I kinda tried with DT. Obviously I don't "get" metal, but this guy makes me second-guess what I thought I knew about metal bands.

This is an honest question, I don't mean any disrespect if the answer is no, but does every metal group/song have an element of being "ironically" hard? For example, it's tough to verbally explain what goes on in a lot of metal music videos in a way that sounds like they're serious about being so "metal," and it feels like the kind of thing you have to not think too hard about, and just let it be 90's cool.

For example, the juular music video looks like an N64 game. I'm not poking fun, it's obvious they weren't trying to make everything look true to life in that video. If that song/video was made to make some serious, real statement about religion/hell/whatever it's about, then it's just plain not something I'm into, like watching people get REALLY into fandoms and stuff. (Like when people ask me "really?" when I tell them I collect old Game Boy games unironically  ) But if it comes from a room full of guys saying "haha, let's make it super over the top! We'll have this guy named Juular riding a polygonal hell-train and the one guy is all calm but then Juular jumps up and screams!" etc., then I can see how people can just sort of jump into music like this and just feel like a crazy teenager for a little bit.

Also, it's sort of a common running joke that really hard metal guys are actually teddy bears inside. It's common enough that it starts to make sense that people just listen to it for fun, a tiny bit ironically, and not to actually sink themselves into the death and satanic stuff etc, actually thinking that the music videos are cool. It's kinda funny to think that bands who are constantly depicting themselves as hard and serious are still following all the steps; dutifully filming music videos, printing CDs, making agreements with iTunes etc. It's all just a little bit forced, right?

Again, no disrespect if I'm way off. I definitely listen to loads of embarrassing garbage unironically. It might be that it's just not for me.
You really need to separate the music from the videos, in my opinion music videos shouldn't even exist at all...At least not in the common form we see them as (An advertisment).

Obviously it's so far gone now but you should "never" base an opinion on any music based on what is depicted in the music video, ever....It has nothing to do with the musical content whatsoever.

Not only that but artists rarely have anything to do with the video at all and it's typically a contractual obligation. ]]> Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-01T10:36:23 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Originally posted by: Splain

I don't vote if I'm not familiar and I don't have time to get familiar, but I kinda tried with DT. Obviously I don't "get" metal, but this guy makes me second-guess what I thought I knew about metal bands.

This is an honest question, I don't mean any disrespect if the answer is no, but does every metal group/song have an element of being "ironically" hard? For example, it's tough to verbally explain what goes on in a lot of metal music videos in a way that sounds like they're serious about being so "metal," and it feels like the kind of thing you have to not think too hard about, and just let it be 90's cool.

For example, the juular music video looks like an N64 game. I'm not poking fun, it's obvious they weren't trying to make everything look true to life in that video. If that song/video was made to make some serious, real statement about religion/hell/whatever it's about, then it's just plain not something I'm into, like watching people get REALLY into fandoms and stuff. (Like when people ask me "really?" when I tell them I collect old Game Boy games unironically  ) But if it comes from a room full of guys saying "haha, let's make it super over the top! We'll have this guy named Juular riding a polygonal hell-train and the one guy is all calm but then Juular jumps up and screams!" etc., then I can see how people can just sort of jump into music like this and just feel like a crazy teenager for a little bit.

Also, it's sort of a common running joke that really hard metal guys are actually teddy bears inside. It's common enough that it starts to make sense that people just listen to it for fun, a tiny bit ironically, and not to actually sink themselves into the death and satanic stuff etc, actually thinking that the music videos are cool. It's kinda funny to think that bands who are constantly depicting themselves as hard and serious are still following all the steps; dutifully filming music videos, printing CDs, making agreements with iTunes etc. It's all just a little bit forced, right?

Again, no disrespect if I'm way off. I definitely listen to loads of embarrassing garbage unironically. It might be that it's just not for me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3hLd3xA7GJQ

To answer your question, even Kerry King of Slayer said you should look at their music as if it were a horror movie. Metal is entertainment have fun. ]]> Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-01T10:23:41 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Originally posted by: empire

Gojira wouldn't be appreciated by the batty boy ABBA fans on this board
Oh you shush.  I'll bet there are a shocking amount of Ozzfest attendees that like ABBA.
  ]]> Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-08-01T01:33:16 -05.00 Brock Landers 30
This is an honest question, I don't mean any disrespect if the answer is no, but does every metal group/song have an element of being "ironically" hard? For example, it's tough to verbally explain what goes on in a lot of metal music videos in a way that sounds like they're serious about being so "metal," and it feels like the kind of thing you have to not think too hard about, and just let it be 90's cool.

For example, the juular music video looks like an N64 game. I'm not poking fun, it's obvious they weren't trying to make everything look true to life in that video. If that song/video was made to make some serious, real statement about religion/hell/whatever it's about, then it's just plain not something I'm into, like watching people get REALLY into fandoms and stuff. (Like when people ask me "really?" when I tell them I collect old Game Boy games unironically  ) But if it comes from a room full of guys saying "haha, let's make it super over the top! We'll have this guy named Juular riding a polygonal hell-train and the one guy is all calm but then Juular jumps up and screams!" etc., then I can see how people can just sort of jump into music like this and just feel like a crazy teenager for a little bit.

Also, it's sort of a common running joke that really hard metal guys are actually teddy bears inside. It's common enough that it starts to make sense that people just listen to it for fun, a tiny bit ironically, and not to actually sink themselves into the death and satanic stuff etc, actually thinking that the music videos are cool. It's kinda funny to think that bands who are constantly depicting themselves as hard and serious are still following all the steps; dutifully filming music videos, printing CDs, making agreements with iTunes etc. It's all just a little bit forced, right?

Again, no disrespect if I'm way off. I definitely listen to loads of embarrassing garbage unironically. It might be that it's just not for me. ]]> Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-07-31T23:04:59 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Music Debate 20: Devin Townsend http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=188099 2019-07-29T14:47:50 -05.00 Brock Landers 30 Originally posted by: empire

Gojira wouldn't be appreciated by the batty boy ABBA fans on this board
The first "extreme" metal thread I do should be interesting, whenever that is.  Assuming we call DT a mixture of extreme and not extreme.
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