NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-10T12:07:44 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-10T11:52:47 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Originally posted by: Tyree_Cooper

you'll be sorry if you open it up and it's a legit game, which it most likely is. send decent photos of the sealed copy so more people can help give you their opinion, don't remove the seal just yet...

Yeah, feeling really stupid after I opened the game. It's a fake one. Cartridge feels like cheap plastic, comes with USA warning labels even though it's a "EUR" version, doesn't come with any poster, manual looks cheap and with waving, colors are wrong and the "Mode d'emploi" that should be in there is "mode d'empLOL". Game doesn't work on a 2ds XL either. So whoever has a Castlevania Ecclesia out there with this nintendo seal, it's a fake.  No reprints come with blurry letterings. Photos attached. Some of you don't seem to understand someone out there is going great lenghts to copy stuff. Going to share this on every nintendo collector group out there on facebook. ]]> Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-10T02:47:16 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-09T18:22:59 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Originally posted by: Tyree_Cooper

I've only seen clear-strip with recycle logo seals but we can't see anything on the OP photos. Take some decent close up photos of the nintendo-strip copy so we can help. front, back, sides and with the light shining on the seal.
Look for details such as scuffs on the case under the seal, but at this point i don't see why it couldn't be a variant with a nintendo strip seal.

i remember when everybody was sure the us version of this game only came sealed with a crappy thin shrinkwrap, then later proper y-fold sealed copies were found (and not for ooe only, but for dos and por too).

regarding nintendo strips, 3ds castlevania comes to mind, i found one here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CASTLEVA...

not to mention dozens of nes/snes 3rd party games that have been found with nintendo red strip like terranigma, secret of mana etc

http://img.tradera.net/images/177...

http://www.sealedvideogames.net/2...

id be careful calling out the seller and claiming this is a fake game and/or fake seal based on OP's terrible pictures, and whatever the seller says or doesn't. way too little to say this right now, while plenty of nintendo seals on 3rd party games and plenty of cover variations with details updated have been found, down to barcode font size, i have a few myself. I understand your point of view. If there’s a chance it could be a reprint/variant-type factory sealed, then we can’t just assume it to be a resealed. 

The problem is though, we’re at an era where bootlegs and reseals are getting harder to spot, and if we ignore this issue then in the foreseeable future, more and more repro/reseal sellers would pop up and collectors would want out because nobody would know what’s real anymore!

With a handful of subtle clues, to me, it has more probability of it being fake rather than a real factory sealed. The seller not wanting to find out more the reasons the buyer is suspicious, is what’s making me think more so the seller is scamming. 

Looking forward to seeing the game being opened to confirm genuine or fake! ]]> Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-09T17:44:19 -05.00 Jacobino 23 I'm gonna open the game to show you guys what's actually inside later on so no one gets scammed again like this by mr Tony Rodrigues from France, if you ever buy something from France, avoid said man. ]]> Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-09T06:08:20 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Look for details such as scuffs on the case under the seal, but at this point i don't see why it couldn't be a variant with a nintendo strip seal.

i remember when everybody was sure the us version of this game only came sealed with a crappy thin shrinkwrap, then later proper y-fold sealed copies were found (and not for ooe only, but for dos and por too).

regarding nintendo strips, 3ds castlevania comes to mind, i found one here

https://www.ebay.com/itm/CASTLEVANIA-LORDS-OF-SHADOW-MIRROR-OF-FATE-Nintendo-3DS-Nuevo-SEALED-Konami-NEW/173071271738

not to mention dozens of nes/snes 3rd party games that have been found with nintendo red strip like terranigma, secret of mana etc

http://img.tradera.net/images/177/305876177_f61b6919-9aa1-411d-95be-0fe1d1ff34c6.jpg

http://www.sealedvideogames.net/2012/01/29/pal-snes-secret-of-mana-sells-for-10100-gbp-about-16000-mega-man-2-for-2085-gbp-3266/

id be careful calling out the seller and claiming this is a fake game and/or fake seal based on OP's terrible pictures, and whatever the seller says or doesn't. way too little to say this right now, while plenty of nintendo seals on 3rd party games and plenty of cover variations with details updated have been found, down to barcode font size, i have a few myself. ]]> Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-09T00:29:58 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Originally posted by: Tyree_Cooper

barcode with different font size is common with reprints
and so is slightly different colour printing and edge cutting of the paper
i see no proof this is fake just by looking at those photos

both variants rather common anyway

bigger font
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/CASTLEVAN...

smaller font
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Castleva... The trick is to take all the factors to then form an opinion. Do Konami DS games ever come as Nintendo-logo tear strips?

Also, the communication by the seller seems to be misleading. As a genuine seller of factory seals, he should have an invested interest in knowing if his products are reseals or not. His responses seem to be brushing it off as “nothing to see” or “nothing more I can do”, which unfortunately means, he is likely to sell more dodgy items in the future.

  ]]> Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-08T20:26:36 -05.00 Jacobino 23 and so is slightly different colour printing and edge cutting of the paper
i see no proof this is fake just by looking at those photos

both variants rather common anyway

bigger font
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/CASTLEVANIA-ORDER-OF-ECCLESIA-pal-ITA-FR-nintendo-DS-spa-2ds-3ds-EUR-en-espanol/273965248244

smaller font
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Castlevania-order-of-ecclesia-Nintendo-Ds-FRA/383142883982 ]]> Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-08T18:41:42 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Originally posted by: GPX
 
Originally posted by: Jacobino

Both are clear cases lol, the top one is legit 100% sure. They're not black, it's how the photo was taken.

This being said, you didn't used to see PAL ds bootlegs anywhere, but not anymore...
Yes, bootlegs and reseals are getting tougher by the day to distinguish, and occurring to more items where you don’t normally expect. It’s a universal problem for all collectors out there. 

I suspect in your particular game, it looks unfortunately a bootleg as well as a reseal. Let us know if you end up opening the game!

 
I will open it as soon as paypal refunds me the money, then show pictures here.  If paypal wants me to send it back to the seller I'm seriously thinking of not sending the game in a package, as I'm 100% sure he'll just seize the opportunity to scam another person. Had a response from him through paypal and I quote: 

"Hi, the game is a real one. I have already sold it several times and never got back. You say that the game is wrong when you have seen the inside of another game. But the game I sold you is sealed so you can not see the inside to compare unless you have it unsealed and in this case the game lost all that value. Maybe the game you saw is wrong and not the one I sold to you 4 months ago. I can not refund you and recover a collectible game that must have been open or damaged all this time. As noted on ebay I accepted returns up to 14 days which is the legal period. Thank you for your understanding."

Which seemed to me very cynical from him (didn't even want to know why I said it was fake, but ofc he knew), thinking he had the ebay system beat, but BAM raised the claim to a dispute for him to learn a valuable lesson. Kinda feel bad about everyone else he scammed, he sold around 8-10 copies for like 70$/ around 68€, which was surely a 500-600€ profit for him. Then if those people decide to sell it years from now they'll probably lose a few hundred with a fake/bootleg claim. 
  ]]> Fake French sealed Order of Ecclesia? http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=188627 2019-09-08T18:07:21 -05.00 Jacobino 23 Originally posted by: Jacobino

Both are clear cases lol, the top one is legit 100% sure. They're not black, it's how the photo was taken.

This being said, you didn't used to see PAL ds bootlegs anywhere, but not anymore... Yes, bootlegs and reseals are getting tougher by the day to distinguish, and occurring to more items where you don’t normally expect. It’s a universal problem for all collectors out there. 

I suspect in your particular game, it looks unfortunately a bootleg as well as a reseal. Let us know if you end up opening the game!

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