NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner "Someone http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T17:49:37 -05.00 Retrostage 31 Originally posted by: Aroenai
 
Originally posted by: Retrostage
Perhaps if you'd bothered PM'ing me before starting this whole thing, we'd have been able to work things out on what was clearly an oversight on my part. Instead, you went right for the juggular, getting anything related to me selling that game here, eBay or even on my own website shut down.
Dude, check with the mods. I didn't request that your thread get closed, MrWunderful reached out to me and asked if the authors objected to the patch's use. I said yes and gave a quote from the patch topic.

Check your facts before you start throwing accusations.

Feel free to pm each other from here on out about this. 

If you choose not to talk to each other, there is a "Foe" function available. 

Any questions, PM one of us.  ]]> "Someone http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T16:24:39 -05.00 Retrostage 31 Originally posted by: Aroenai

So because I made an account, to make people aware that our patch was being used without our consent, that makes me responsible for eBay and his website? As I said before, maybe he pissed someone else off.
Yes. If by meaning "making people aware" is another way of saying it, it's then more indirect than direct. Fires don't get started until you light a match.

The people don't have to be made aware, it's the person who's using your work for profit that needs to be, and it's your responsibility to tell that person what he's doing is not okay. If he doesn't comply, THEN you follow through with the proper steps taken to protect your work. That means contacting mods, making people aware, that sort of thing.

Seriously, this whole mess, man. :/ ]]> "Someone" got my website shut down http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T16:10:53 -05.00 Retrostage 31 "Someone http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T15:55:11 -05.00 Retrostage 31 Originally posted by: Aroenai
 
Originally posted by: Retrostage
Perhaps if you'd bothered PM'ing me before starting this whole thing, we'd have been able to work things out on what was clearly an oversight on my part. Instead, you went right for the juggular, getting anything related to me selling that game here, eBay or even on my own website shut down.
Dude, check with the mods. I didn't request that your thread get closed, MrWunderful reached out to me and asked if the authors objected to the patch's use. I said yes and gave a quote from the patch topic.

Check your facts before you start throwing accusations. Yeah, after the fact you were vocal about it, and pretty much seems to have you make an account to do so. A mod doesn't just reach out to every rom hacker during the time of the auction. You could have made the account, contacted Retrostage with a C&D, then follow through the next route to do what needs to be done to protect YOUR work. 

Also, even though it explains here, what explains the other 2/3rds of the equation, like the Ebay and his website? NA mods have no jurisdiction there, and like I said earlier a power of one person cannot shut down his whole livlihood, unless it'd be the person who's IP was infringed. It's just way too coincidental.

Again, not saying what Retrostage did was right, and is clearly agaisnt the rules, but things could have been delt with a lot smoother.  ]]> "Someone" got my website shut down http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T15:28:34 -05.00 Retrostage 31 Your website was (I'm guessing because I haven't looked) selling software made by someone else at a profit to you. I still don't get it. ]]> "Someone http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T15:26:57 -05.00 Retrostage 31 Originally posted by: Retrostage
Perhaps if you'd bothered PM'ing me before starting this whole thing, we'd have been able to work things out on what was clearly an oversight on my part. Instead, you went right for the juggular, getting anything related to me selling that game here, eBay or even on my own website shut down. Dude, check with the mods. I didn't request that your thread get closed, MrWunderful reached out to me and asked if the authors objected to the patch's use. I said yes and gave a quote from the patch topic.

Check your facts before you start throwing accusations. ]]> "Someone http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T14:57:10 -05.00 Retrostage 31 Originally posted by: Aroenai

Maybe you pissed someone else off. If you recall, I said I had no problem with them being sold blank or not with our patch. Which... he didn't... so who shot the sheriff here? Yes, what Retrostage did was wrong, and I'm sure he admits to that.

IICR, one random white knighted hero, if they mistake a OoT Master Quest for an original OoT bootleg being sold on Ebay or not, isn't enough to shut them down. It takes either a slew of people from a community or a person who holds a copyright/IP/whatever that is also vocal in the matter. Then the site gets shut down in the same fashion. The only way for that to happen is also having the IP holding claming to be infringed to do so. 

So, if you're not the one who did so, fine. But having you be the most vocal about it, and the time this all went down, it's hard not to put two and two together. Squeeky wheel gets the most grease, they say. 

  ]]> "Someone http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T14:50:15 -05.00 Retrostage 31 Originally posted by: Aroenai

Maybe you pissed someone else off. If you recall, I said I had no problem with them being sold blank or not with our patch. Thanks for chiming in.

Perhaps if you'd bothered PM'ing me before starting this whole thing, we'd have been able to work things out on what was clearly an oversight on my part. Instead, you went right for the juggular, getting anything related to me selling that game here, eBay or even on my own website shut down.

Honestly, if that's how you handle dealing with people with regards to your patches, please leave the modding community. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying we'd rather not have someone so acidic in there. ]]> "Someone" got my website shut down http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T14:41:50 -05.00 Retrostage 31 "Someone http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=170523 2017-01-22T14:36:41 -05.00 Retrostage 31
My understanding is that ROM hackers really have no claim of ownership because they are utilizing IP they don't own, without authorization from the IP owner, to produce the hack. While they "authored" or edited the code, the actual IP owners could seek damages against them and force them to relinquish any claims of ownership to the hack, because there is no actual ownership of it on the part of the hacker - only the illusion of ownership because the IP owners didn't write the hack.

So, it is ridiculous that they would seek to remove your distribution of a hack that they have no actual ownership of. They would be utilizing the same process Nintendo or another actual IP owner would use to remove the posts because technically it is a violation - but not of a copyright they own. The hackers are actually in violation of the same thing when they create the hacks. It's absolutely an asinine act on their part. 

It's like they are actively trying to engineer their own destruction. ]]>