NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner The fullset killers: "That" Game... http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-14T04:34:47 -05.00 DarkKobold 70
the one game you own for it, BTW...let me guess, fly car? I have maybe fou or five games, only one is boxed ]]>
The fullset killers: "That" Game... http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-14T04:31:14 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-13T16:10:01 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: fcgamer
 
Originally posted by: bootload

This is why I say there aren't any rare licensed NES games because you can buy any of them any time you want if you had unlimited money. With some of these games it doesn't matter how much money you have, they're so rare that you'll never find one for sale.

Prior to licensing for games existing, companies were free to make however many copies of a game they wanted so there could be print runs of just a few hundred or even fewer. Air Raid was a great one to watch unfold, it's a light blue cartridge with no title on it and no title in the game itself. It only got the name Air Raid from a guy that vaguely remembered being a part of the marketing when it was released and remembered the name as Air Raid but nobody could ever confirm it. One day out of nowhere a guy posts on AtariAge that he has a complete copy of this game and nobody believes him, a box for the game has never been uncovered before. He delays, saying it's in a storage locker and it drags on but then one day after visiting the locker, boom, he posts it. There was the game, tray inlay and box but no instructions so it was assumed to be complete. Someone else watching a news article on it remembers having one of those himself and records himself opening his storage bins full of games until he comes across his complete copy, opens it up and it has the instructions. As far as I know it's the only known copy of the instructions for this game.

There's a collector, I think he's named Jose, I read somewhere that be bought the first complete copy since he's going for the full set and then immediately bought the second complete copy with instructions once he found out his first one wasn't complete. I love reading about this stuff.

Another one was Red Sea Crossing, someone posted a video about a game they got at a yard sale and from the video, nobody could identify it. It turns out it was a newly discovered game that nobody knew existed and sold for over $10,000, no box is known to exist. I believe a second copy was also found after that.

Another Atari 2600 cartridge was (I think) Birthday Mania and I think there's only 1-2 copies of that one, much like Gamma Attack which only has 1 known copy is existence.

There was also another one which isn't as rare named Music Machine which people have sort of deduced was available as mail-order from a religious magazine from the threads I've read. I could have all of this wrong but it's what I read which is all I can go on.

So that's why I insist that Little Samson and Stadium Events aren't rare, I can find one for sale in 5 minutes and buy it. Try and find a Red Sea Crossing or a complete Air Raid.
I think there are probably more Air Raid carts out there.  The style is quite like what was being put out in Taiwan, down to the label.  Wouldn't surprise me if those ended up distributed more places, what survives today would be a totally different matter though.

I am totally with you though on the whole bit that Little Samson and Stadium Events aren't rare.  I remember once starting a thread on NA about the "true rares", but was basically laughed at, criticized, and forced to shut it down, since the items I had mentioned were all of this obscure crap, essentially.

People often forget that rarity and value are totally different beasts, same with rarity and demand.  Going back to Game King, the games are not particularly easy to find, though when they do appear, one can usually purchase them CIB for $30 max.  I am missing maybe two or three games from having a full set though (I am not counting Game King III games - those run on a different machine, totally different thing), and probably 90% of my set is CIB.  Why not just finish up my set and also make it 100% CIB?  I'd love to, but the games I am missing just haven't turned up, so it's not an issue about dropping $100 and buying the last few carts needed.

One of the reasons I am drawn to unlicensed original games and obscure hardware such as the Game King, I think, is partially because it truly is rare.  There are lower production numbers from the start, due to the nature of the product, then take into consideration the loss of item over the years, and the items are quite hard to track down, no matter how deep one's pockets are.  

I'll throw out a bounty right now, to prove my point.  Yes, this is a serious offer.  I will pay $500 for Chinese Chess II on Famicom.  I think it was ultimately cancelled, someone prove me wrong  

  I'd argue that things that are actually rare, probably have such low demand, the ratio of people who actually want it is lower than some of the "rare" NES games. There's a ton of near complete NES sets, just missing SE. If there are 3 collectors going for a complete Game King 1/2 set, and only 1 actually manages to complete it, that's 1/3 rarity/demand. If there's 1000 near complete sets, and only 100 SE available, that's 1/10 rarity/demand. So while SE might not be anywhere as rare, it's demand forces it to be more valuable and sought after. There's rarer comics than Action Comics #1, but it's notoreity drives it's price super high.

Some other side points:

#1. Game King 3 stuff might as well not exist. I own one game and zero systems, and that's not for lack of trying.

#2. It seems like there are maybe 5-10 collectors in the world who actually care about Game King, but it makes sense. The games are really bad. Most of the later releases are just renames/slight changes to earlier games. The Nostalgia factor isn't there. There's no typical reason to collect for it, really.

#3. I don't think anyone else on NintendoAge even knows what Chinese Chess II is. I don't. ]]>
The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-13T14:38:19 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: bootload

This is why I say there aren't any rare licensed NES games because you can buy any of them any time you want if you had unlimited money. With some of these games it doesn't matter how much money you have, they're so rare that you'll never find one for sale.

Prior to licensing for games existing, companies were free to make however many copies of a game they wanted so there could be print runs of just a few hundred or even fewer. Air Raid was a great one to watch unfold, it's a light blue cartridge with no title on it and no title in the game itself. It only got the name Air Raid from a guy that vaguely remembered being a part of the marketing when it was released and remembered the name as Air Raid but nobody could ever confirm it. One day out of nowhere a guy posts on AtariAge that he has a complete copy of this game and nobody believes him, a box for the game has never been uncovered before. He delays, saying it's in a storage locker and it drags on but then one day after visiting the locker, boom, he posts it. There was the game, tray inlay and box but no instructions so it was assumed to be complete. Someone else watching a news article on it remembers having one of those himself and records himself opening his storage bins full of games until he comes across his complete copy, opens it up and it has the instructions. As far as I know it's the only known copy of the instructions for this game.

There's a collector, I think he's named Jose, I read somewhere that be bought the first complete copy since he's going for the full set and then immediately bought the second complete copy with instructions once he found out his first one wasn't complete. I love reading about this stuff.

Another one was Red Sea Crossing, someone posted a video about a game they got at a yard sale and from the video, nobody could identify it. It turns out it was a newly discovered game that nobody knew existed and sold for over $10,000, no box is known to exist. I believe a second copy was also found after that.

Another Atari 2600 cartridge was (I think) Birthday Mania and I think there's only 1-2 copies of that one, much like Gamma Attack which only has 1 known copy is existence.

There was also another one which isn't as rare named Music Machine which people have sort of deduced was available as mail-order from a religious magazine from the threads I've read. I could have all of this wrong but it's what I read which is all I can go on.

So that's why I insist that Little Samson and Stadium Events aren't rare, I can find one for sale in 5 minutes and buy it. Try and find a Red Sea Crossing or a complete Air Raid. I think there are probably more Air Raid carts out there.  The style is quite like what was being put out in Taiwan, down to the label.  Wouldn't surprise me if those ended up distributed more places, what survives today would be a totally different matter though.

I am totally with you though on the whole bit that Little Samson and Stadium Events aren't rare.  I remember once starting a thread on NA about the "true rares", but was basically laughed at, criticized, and forced to shut it down, since the items I had mentioned were all of this obscure crap, essentially.

People often forget that rarity and value are totally different beasts, same with rarity and demand.  Going back to Game King, the games are not particularly easy to find, though when they do appear, one can usually purchase them CIB for $30 max.  I am missing maybe two or three games from having a full set though (I am not counting Game King III games - those run on a different machine, totally different thing), and probably 90% of my set is CIB.  Why not just finish up my set and also make it 100% CIB?  I'd love to, but the games I am missing just haven't turned up, so it's not an issue about dropping $100 and buying the last few carts needed.

One of the reasons I am drawn to unlicensed original games and obscure hardware such as the Game King, I think, is partially because it truly is rare.  There are lower production numbers from the start, due to the nature of the product, then take into consideration the loss of item over the years, and the items are quite hard to track down, no matter how deep one's pockets are.  

I'll throw out a bounty right now, to prove my point.  Yes, this is a serious offer.  I will pay $500 for Chinese Chess II on Famicom.  I think it was ultimately cancelled, someone prove me wrong  

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The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-13T14:24:44 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: DarkKobold
 
Originally posted by: bootload

This is why I say there aren't any rare licensed NES games because you can buy any of them any time you want if you had unlimited money. With some of these games it doesn't matter how much money you have, they're so rare that you'll never find one for sale.

Prior to licensing for games existing, companies were free to make however many copies of a game they wanted so there could be print runs of just a few hundred or even fewer. Air Raid was a great one to watch unfold, it's a light blue cartridge with no title on it and no title in the game itself. It only got the name Air Raid from a guy that vaguely remembered being a part of the marketing when it was released and remembered the name as Air Raid but nobody could ever confirm it. One day out of nowhere a guy posts on AtariAge that he has a complete copy of this game and nobody believes him, a box for the game has never been uncovered before. He delays, saying it's in a storage locker and it drags on but then one day after visiting the locker, boom, he posts it. There was the game, tray inlay and box but no instructions so it was assumed to be complete. Someone else watching a news article on it remembers having one of those himself and records himself opening his storage bins full of games until he comes across his complete copy, opens it up and it has the instructions. As far as I know it's the only known copy of the instructions for this game.

There's a collector, I think he's named Jose, I read somewhere that be bought the first complete copy since he's going for the full set and then immediately bought the second complete copy with instructions once he found out his first one wasn't complete. I love reading about this stuff.

Another one was Red Sea Crossing, someone posted a video about a game they got at a yard sale and from the video, nobody could identify it. It turns out it was a newly discovered game that nobody knew existed and sold for over $10,000, no box is known to exist. I believe a second copy was also found after that.

Another Atari 2600 cartridge was (I think) Birthday Mania and I think there's only 1-2 copies of that one, much like Gamma Attack which only has 1 known copy is existence.

There was also another one which isn't as rare named Music Machine which people have sort of deduced was available as mail-order from a religious magazine from the threads I've read. I could have all of this wrong but it's what I read which is all I can go on.

So that's why I insist that Little Samson and Stadium Events aren't rare, I can find one for sale in 5 minutes and buy it. Try and find a Red Sea Crossing or a complete Air Raid.

There are definitely comparable rarities for NES - Papillon Gals is a 1 or 2 known copies game.

The reality is, every "fullset" out there has questionable lines drawn. Do you count games that are still disputed to have North American releases (Sachen NES)? What if it isn't actually a game (Racermate, Hilton Hotels)? What if it wasn't actually sold commercially, but was instead found later and sold (NBA Elite 11, MBR/SR, Cheetahmen II)? What about how it was distributed (Nintendo World Championship Grey/Gold)? The reality is, you can almost never be done collecting for some of the big consoles. We just draw these lines, and call them a 'full set,' when the truth is far murkier.

When people say they are going for the NES set, generally they mean "retail-only releases licensed by Nintendo, released in the United States from 1985 to 1995." Without all of those qualifiers, games just keep getting added to the list.
  This would be the modern nerfed version of the set.  When old-timers say they are going for the NES set, they generally mean "retail-only releases by Nintendo, released in the United States from 1985 to 1995, both licensed and unlicensed.  Essentially the Etler list with a few modifications to correct the minor errors."   

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The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-13T14:20:21 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: bootload
 
Originally posted by: Lonsta

I wonder which game on the list truly has the least known copies out there. I can tell you with certainty, there are less than 20 known copies of NBA Elite 11 in existence.

Atari 2600 - Gamma Attack - 1 known copy (loose)
Atari 2600 - Red Sea Crossing - 2 known copies (both loose)
Atari 2600 - Air Raid - multiple loose copies, 1 boxed copy, only 1 complete copy with instructions

I know my Timewalk Ducktales silver cartridge has fewer than 10 made and it's licensed by both Nintendo and Capcom. I believe it's the last NES game to be officially released for the system.
  I wouldn't be surprised at all if more copies of Air Raid show up, tbh.  It wouldn't surprise me at all if the California company mentioned on the box was essentially a shell, with full development and production taking place in Taiwan.  Probably loads sitting in a warehouse either here, or there, or somewhere in between.

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The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-12T22:03:43 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: ulasamosa

Originally posted by: DarkKobold
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: ulasamosa
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker

Atari 2600 has a few, which makes it even more impossible.



Don't give up hope Dave. One day you'll find them. ;-)



100 percent sure nobody will, at least not in this century. It's gonna take a collector that likely isn't born yet to hit some heavy hitters' estate sales to do it.
I can't imagine that anyone ever will have Gamma Attack, Birthday Mania, Extraterrestrial, and Red Sea Crossing under one roof.

 

yea im kinda with dave on it.  Someone from a future generation might be able to pull it off but it wont happen by the time we die.
 


I don't know about that guys, sounds like there are a few determined collectors around here, perhaps we could put a little posse together and go rough up a bunch of old geezers for their Atari games. After we get the goods, it is a simple gentlemanly game of Russian roulette to decide which one of us gets to clutch on to the carts babbling incoherently as we are dragged away by the SWAT team! Dibs on first pull on the trigger!!!   ]]>
The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-12T21:34:50 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: DarkKobold
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: ulasamosa
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker

Atari 2600 has a few, which makes it even more impossible.



Don't give up hope Dave. One day you'll find them. ;-)



100 percent sure nobody will, at least not in this century. It's gonna take a collector that likely isn't born yet to hit some heavy hitters' estate sales to do it.
I can't imagine that anyone ever will have Gamma Attack, Birthday Mania, Extraterrestrial, and Red Sea Crossing under one roof.

 
yea im kinda with dave on it.  Someone from a future generation might be able to pull it off but it wont happen by the time we die.
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The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-12T15:10:46 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker
 
Originally posted by: ulasamosa
 
Originally posted by: captmorgandrinker

Atari 2600 has a few, which makes it even more impossible.



Don't give up hope Dave. One day you'll find them. ;-)



100 percent sure nobody will, at least not in this century. It's gonna take a collector that likely isn't born yet to hit some heavy hitters' estate sales to do it. I can't imagine that anyone ever will have Gamma Attack, Birthday Mania, Extraterrestrial, and Red Sea Crossing under one roof.

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The fullset killers: "That http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=182820 2018-07-12T00:25:39 -05.00 DarkKobold 70 Originally posted by: Lonsta

I wonder which game on the list truly has the least known copies out there. I can tell you with certainty, there are less than 20 known copies of NBA Elite 11 in existence.
Atari 2600 - Gamma Attack - 1 known copy (loose)
Atari 2600 - Red Sea Crossing - 2 known copies (both loose)
Atari 2600 - Air Raid - multiple loose copies, 1 boxed copy, only 1 complete copy with instructions

I know my Timewalk Ducktales silver cartridge has fewer than 10 made and it's licensed by both Nintendo and Capcom. I believe it's the last NES game to be officially released for the system.
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