NintendoAge http://nintendoage.com/forum/ -Sqooner New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-09T10:47:31 -05.00 coinheaven 192
I understand where you guys are coming from, but I'm pretty sure he got the message at this point, so further sarcasm just adds fuel to the fire eh?

Some of his particular comments were inappropriate and that has been pointed out very clearly. ]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-09T10:30:27 -05.00 coinheaven 192 Originally posted by: neodolphino

Originally posted by: Tulpa

Originally posted by: DRW

I wrote it in this thread because I hoped that the seller will give me his first person view on this matter.
You could have PM'ed him. Or started a private topic and invited him. Or just started a new thread about your concern and linked to this one. You have a number of better alternatives than just thread crapping.

 

But that wouldn't have illicited nearly the same response/drama. What fun would that be? *rolleyes*
You also want to make sure to necrobump one that is posted by a largely inactive member these days. The best and most relevant conversations are ones where you only pretend that you want someone's real thoughts, and just carry on with a one-sided monologue/rant instead.

]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-09T09:41:29 -05.00 coinheaven 192 Originally posted by: Tulpa

Originally posted by: DRW

I wrote it in this thread because I hoped that the seller will give me his first person view on this matter.
You could have PM'ed him. Or started a private topic and invited him. Or just started a new thread about your concern and linked to this one. You have a number of better alternatives than just thread crapping.

 
But that wouldn't have illicited nearly the same response/drama. What fun would that be? *rolleyes* ]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-08T23:40:26 -05.00 coinheaven 192 Originally posted by: DRW

I wrote it in this thread because I hoped that the seller will give me his first person view on this matter. You could have PM'ed him. Or started a private topic and invited him. Or just started a new thread about your concern and linked to this one. You have a number of better alternatives than just thread crapping.

  ]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-08T23:24:33 -05.00 coinheaven 192
Also, it is his stupid reproduction that gets sold on eBay without any statement about it being a reproduction and without any source of where it actually comes from:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272650711893

But yeah, I will probably not change anybody's mind here.

I mean, this is a forum where people seriously create "limited editions" with individual numbers of games that are not theirs. And other people seriously buy this shit.
"Wow, I have item number 5 of Randy Random's fan-made reproduction of the Japanese version of "Contra". That's so special because "Contra" is totally tied specifically to Randy Random and another reproduction of the game wouldn't be just as legitimate as his."

It doesn't get any more ridiculous than that. ]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-08T21:15:36 -05.00 coinheaven 192 New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-08T21:10:07 -05.00 coinheaven 192
O.k., some final words then:

I don't mind reproductions of games that aren't really playable otherwise.

However, each product should be marked by what it really is:
Licensed games get the Seal of Quality", homebrews don't get it. Unlicensed games don't have the Seal of Quality either.

If you want to play "make believe", then create this as some kind of poster that you put on your wall. Or create one box and use it in an amateur movie where the story includes that this game came out in the US. But if you create it as an actual real game cartridge in a box with a manual, especially if you give it away to other people, stay with the truth.

So, reproductions should be marked as reproductions.
It doesn't matter that the game never came out in the US: If you create a reproduction and put a real-looking Seal of Quality on it, put fake copyrights on it, a fake barcode, a fake licence disclaimer and (and that's the most important detail) you completely omit any mention of the actual source of this creation and the statement that this is a fan-made reproduction, then you created a counterfeit product.

And in this case the creator is a fucking asshole.
And if the forum team sanctions these "undistinguishable-from-licensed-games" counterfeit fakes, then they can suck my ass. ]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-08T18:22:16 -05.00 coinheaven 192 Originally posted by: DRW
The people who buy this from here might be experts. But when this game gets sold on eBay, there are enough morons who think this is some kind of rare release.
 
Seems as though you are very concerned about other game buyers. That is noble, but what do you think you are accomplishing by accosting posters on this forum about repros. Please understand that your concerns are not shared by everyone. I don't think you're going to change any opinions by ranting about hypothetical events.

edit: side note - Miracle of Almana is a great game.
  ]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-08T09:25:44 -05.00 coinheaven 192 Originally posted by: friedeje191

With todays resources at hand, it shouldn't be too hard to do a little homework on releases such as this. This means that the random person needs to be aware that things like reproduction cartridges exist to begin with.

Obviously, this guy has no idea where this comes from:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/272650711893
 
Originally posted by: Kage Copitz

There are those of us who appreciate the artistry and work that goes into these releases.
What does this have to do with anything? The box would look just as good, even without a Seal of Quality, a fake barcode and an outright lie on the box ("Licensed by Nintendo for play on the Nintendo Entertainment System").

Why not creating the box as it is, but with a clear disclaimer: "Reproduction cartridge by NintendoAge/coinheaven"?

For authenticity's sake? That's nonsense. The list of an NES collector might consist of several different kinds of games anyway: Licensed games, Famicom games, unlicensed games, homebrews. The latter three categories don't have a Seal of Quality and faux copyrights. Why does the category "reproduction of Japan-only game" suddenly has to be the kind where we play make-believe?

 
Originally posted by: Kage Copitz

I’d say that almost all of the people buying this know exactly what it is.

The people who buy this from here might be experts. But when this game gets sold on eBay, there are enough morons who think this is some kind of rare release.
And why? Just because the creators weren't honest with the production and had to create a counterfeit game.

The fact that this specific game never came out in the US doesn't matter. You don't draw an original painting and write "by Leonardo DaVinci" on it because "people can do their homework and know that it's not actually a painting by Leonardo".
If I create a fake $300 bill and don't put a big, fat "play money" on it, it's counterfeit money. It doesn't matter that a $300 bill doesn't exist in the first place. ]]> New CIB Reproduction - Miracle of Almana http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=67379 2018-05-06T19:09:23 -05.00 coinheaven 192